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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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joepinetree posted:

DSA is a perfectly tuned machine aimed at taking any energy for change and channeling into irrelevant procedural nonsense.

My last meeting with DSA there was a stupid slapfight for like 30 minutes over whether a particular motion could come up for a vote, and there was a whole thing about roberts rules of order and amending the agenda (note, the debate wasn't about the motion itself, but whether someone could make a motion to amend the agenda to add the motion for debate and a vote). The guy wanting to put the motion to a vote got loud at one point. So this lady interrupted him and said that as a victim of sexual assault he was triggering her by speaking loudly. He then said that as a victim of sexual assault himself he found it extremely concerning that she would casually use sexual assault that way. Which then led to mutual threats of filing grievances, a discussion of how no one internal should be able to handle it, and a promise by the chair of seeking help from national. Best part was that the motion itself was some vague pablum about engaging in electoralism even after Bernie's defeat.

After the meeting was over, I cancelled my membership, and asked to be removed from the rolls (despite being allowed to continue on as a member for a while if I wanted).
lmao

thats also about right as it's right there in it's name: democrat* . anyways the last time i paid dues was 2019 and never again. it wasn't always bad in the earlier years, but towards that period it was definitely a notable amount of tumblr-esque wreckers caring more about wasting time on privilege and land acknowledgments or whatever instead of actually getting stuff done.

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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dank sexy areolas

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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svart is finally farting out lmao https://www.dsausa.org/news/a-farewell-from-the-national-director/

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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broad city was a documentary on the lives of Williamsburg transplants

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Weka posted:

I hope this is a joke but on the off chance
lmfao

it really is just all D&D posters

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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joepinetree posted:

Not going to take a side on the "date/not date" debate, but I have to say that when numbers took off there 100% was a significant contingent of dudes who were very much "it's ok for me to creep on much younger women because Im one of the good ones with the right politics"

ive said before that the scariest phrase in the english language is a self-proclaimed male feminist

ladies beware

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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eh. to be fair, there are (intentionally) no 'structures' in america. i don't necessarily begrudge the befuddled left-liberal / "progressives" into turning toward dsa (which was also loosely linked with wunderfraun AOC and other heroes of "socialism change is coming!"). most people aren't going to dig deep into structures, and once exposed to the realities will just quietly defuse and slink away. PSL would have been better though, but either way electorialism is dumb. whatever the "masses" did in the wake of 2016+ was going to be futile inpotency anyways

the most useful thing would have been to channel them all into unionizing their workplace and taking union leadership positions with more political advocacy on worker rights. i think the only "hope" for america is collective labor organizing and then forming union voltrons to claw back from the capital class

late edit: one potential benefit of all the people railed into the DSA (should) have come out with an understanding of what incompetency and petty infighting looks like though. the wreckers who just want to argue about doing land acknowledgements longer can remain in the dsa struggle sessioning over if landbacks should be 300 minutes or 400 minutes each time before deliberations, the rest can go onto do useful things, or at least avoid that in the future

Xaris has issued a correction as of 03:16 on Jan 20, 2024

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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jarofpiss posted:

this clusterfuck of a committee is consistently self admitting to negotiating in bad faith with the union, committing numerous nlrb violations, and somehow thinks this isn’t going to bite them.

co-chair loving crying on twitter about how hard this has been for her. outrageous. it looks like the plan is to bust the union to gut staff and give jobs for their caucus deep state friends
ok but then why is this wrong?

fermun posted:

it's been very funny how hard the dsa staff union is fighting for the jobs of the non-union managerial staff in this layoff negotiation process. they're not union members!

jarofpiss posted:

i dont think you know what youre talking about here
why wouldn't you just say nah the dsa union is not fighting for managerial positions instead? seems like a simpler answer than trying to do holier thou drama

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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it’s time for the dsa to die and start over, maybe without the democrats component

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Pentecoastal Elites posted:

all this would be very frustrating and a big shame if dsa was anything but a collection of the most self diagnosed people in all of christendom
yep. god bless all the goons (dsa folx) that actually tried something, other than tweeting angrily, from 2015 to like 2019. I think there was some tangible decent local improvements here and there, but the moment is over and the org is irreparably toxic. I bailed out several years ago and cancelled dues after it was blatantly bad

focusing on forcing unionization drives and setting up a new or existing org to advocate and propagandize unionizing is going to be much more impactful from here on out

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Smythe posted:

the catering bill isnt really that big in my opinion
yeah catering is loving expensive as hell, that's not the unreasonable part. my partner works development office for a non-profit 3-8th grade school and putting on fundraising or gala catering is $$$$$

the 30k/month grievance officer and being a plinkey-rear end goonfund is the lol part. actually plinkey might have had better record budget management.........

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Son of Sorrow posted:

I've become Legitimately Mad about the Cuba trip. Maybe I should spend $5 on a DSA forum account...

I thought you could fix them??

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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that is legitimately insane. imagine going to the world's most successful communism project and then qq-ing about uh persecuting the capitalists and landlords and how they should be restoring the gusano's casinos

dsa must be abolished

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Cuttlefush posted:

DSA of pigs

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Son of Sorrow posted:

If you want a much deeper discussion of this, I encourage you to take it to the Marxism thread. But in brief: Trotsky was right imo. But he was such an obnoxious goon about it that he managed to get himself killed.
good post. particularly this is where I think people get tripped up is he wasn’t exactly wrong that communism ultimately had to be a global revolution, which has been vindicated by having any enclaves of capital that will ruthlessly genocide their way to victory and erode any opposing structures until it wins. it must be stamped out globally and continuously. of course there were plenty of other things he was wrong about.

but he was too gooned up to the gils that even being technically right is irrelevant in the end. that’s a vital lesson: never go full gooned

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol every retard thinks the molotov pact is the magic bullet against stalin and not the end result of the west's constant refusal to form a front against germany with the soviets
yep

the west thought Germany had a lot of great ideas: state-funded but privately owned and private-profit corporations, shadow wing of the government sitting on boards and suppressing unions and labor, using prisoners for free labor to private corporations, corporate run prisons, and inducing capitalism to colonies, but didn’t like hitlers stodgy outdated idea of synthesis & control via boots on the ground. that last part was considered not efficient and untenable long term

so we came in and took all the good ideas and kicked out the one single bad idea (because it’s not very profitable)

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