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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

start them out in the parts of the country that aren't cities. i know there was a meeting for a branch in northern Idaho and eastern Washington

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Feb 10, 2007

i really should throw some money for a membership. i'll post proof in the next couple of days
they updated the event description but i'll be there regardless

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Feb 10, 2007

my friend was at the Jersey City DSA meeting. spread those glorious seeds further out into the Garden State. hell, even Somerset County, even though it's awful

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Feb 10, 2007

redneck nazgul posted:

florida has a stand your ground and castle law

show them your personal security techniques :clint:
those laws are for america lovin patriots, not socialist traitors

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Feb 10, 2007

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

this did not stop some enterprising antifa from successfully using them :ussr:
the black panthers used open carry and that's why california doesn't allow it anymore. thanks reagan

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Feb 10, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Nerds are victimized because they're lovely people. Being a "nerd" only started being cool, because nerds have a ludicrously high disposable income and they develop identities around their consumption.
sup sam biddle

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Feb 10, 2007

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

Connor K's transphobia is a problem.
i've seen some people on the left react negatively to connor because they didn't like how he called tankies "lunatics" or something to that effect, but i've never heard of this angle. i've heard sam kriss write something crappy about people rallying trans bathroom issues (i haven't read the article in question because i don't really like his writing style), but not connor doing something similar

the thing about the internet today is that it's the world's most ridiculous game of telephone. somebody comes up with a legitimate gripe about a person of some stature, it passes around to other people, and it eventually turns into a blunt accusation that's repeated as fact. twitter is stupid, you shouldn't take anything people say there seriously, and you should be skeptical if people point to "this person on twitter said" as evidence of someone's shittiness

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Feb 10, 2007

lancemantis posted:

turns out everyone has some Wrong Opinions :shrug: its just how you react when someone calls you out on them
the loudest and most noticeable people online are the ones that drive the narrative of "Person Bad," and if you've committed wrongthink, it doesn't matter what your reaction is. nothing less than playing into their preconstructed narrative will satisfy them

the real issue is how to drive the leftward movement forward while not feeding the assholes

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Feb 10, 2007

Ace of Baes posted:

Conclusion: Police shithead socialists online and irl, don't feed into libs attempting to distract from how evil and destructive capitalism is.
yeah pretty much

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Feb 10, 2007

i went to my first DSA event last night. we read three articles before we got in and discussed them at someone's apartment. there was also food and drink. later i sent an email to everyone about an event at a synagogue hosted by someone who wants to make neighborhoods immigrant sanctuaries, and two have confirmed that they're going along

there were only seven people there (i'm in a south brooklyn neighborhood) but i'm sure we'll grow and thrive

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Feb 10, 2007

my friend ran for treasurer in Baltimore DSA and she says things are going pretty well, even though there is personal drama there

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Feb 10, 2007

Brooklyn DSA and a few other organizations are going to be marching on a city councilwoman's office tomorrow to rally against a deal that proposes a bunch of luxury condos, mostly unaffordable housing, and a fee-per-month rec center on the site of city-owned property. Laurie Cumbo is against it as it stands, but she's less "kill the deal" and more "renegotiate the deal." DSA, the Crown Heights Tenants Union, New York Communities for Change, and other organizations are for putting the property into a community land trust.

We'll be meeting at Fort Greene Park on the corner of Myrtle Ave. and St. Edwards Street and start the march at 4:30pm. Come along and bring an umbrella and/or a poncho, as it will be raining.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

I went to the Brooklyn branch meeting on Wednesday. We're likely going to be splitting it into three areas- North, Central, and South- because it'll allow for more intimate meetings. The problem for the South Brooklyn branch is that there's no crosstown subway service and we mainly live off of one of four lines that go north to south. Out of the hundreds of members that the Brooklyn branch has, there's only one member apiece in each of Borough Park, Bensonhurst, and Gravesend. And that's not getting into the many different languages spoken around the various neighborhoods- Chinese, Russian, Spanish, Haitian Creole, Bengali, Arabic, Polish, and probably others. It's fertile ground for recruitment but the language barriers are definitely going to be a thing.

Members also endorsed a democratic socialist running for City Council, the second one they've done. Unlike the first one, who's running as a Democrat, this guy is running on the Green Party line. That makes him ineligible for receiving fusion balloting from the Working Families Party, which has moved leftward since their endorsement of Bernie Sanders, to the point where a leader said that we need "explicitly socialist" candidates (his words) running for office. Hopefully, they both win.

There's also a third democratic socialist running for City Council, but he's in the Bronx.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

We have three such candidates running for New York City Council- two in Brooklyn (Khader El-Yateem in the southwest corner, Jabari Brisport in part of Central Brooklyn) and one in the Bronx (Justin Sanchez in the north). I don't know if NYC DSA has endorsed Justin but they have with the other two, even though Brisport is running on the Green Party line.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Brooklyn DSA has a pretty even gender divide, although it's still quite white. The Upper Manhattan/Bronx branch does as well, even though it's even more white than the Brooklyn one. I told a date the other day, while we were discussing our political beliefs, that she should look into the Central Brooklyn branch because that's probably the easiest one for her to get to. She's in Far Rockaway, which is in that weird section of southern Queens that's only accessible by the A train, which cuts through that part of Brooklyn before heading south.

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Feb 10, 2007

big black turnout posted:

Nixon is going to get elected
that's where you're wrong, friend. she doesn't have a chance in hell. i voted against her nomination in the South Brooklyn vote not because of ideological concerns but because the Salazar race is winnable and the gubernatorial one isn't. simply put, our voters are loving dumb. Cuomo is teflon and can do no wrong to the vast majority of democrats in new york. this is why he has a 36% lead over Nixon in the latest polls

we'll be making a big mistake if we piss away resources into an unwinnable race

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Feb 10, 2007

don't look at me, i voted against both of them in the SBK branch
one of my friends in Queens branch abstained, which is as good as voting yes. not naming names but you'll know soon enough

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 05:02 on Jul 30, 2018

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

additionally, williams admitted in his questionnaire that he's a landlord. it was right there, people

i'm not much for taking him on for the anti-abortion and anti-LGBT beliefs because he hasn't voted that way in years, and the people who make the biggest deal out of it are the kind of Democrats who ignored an actual voting record for Tim Keane and supported a pro-life former Republican against Kara Eastman. he's no Ruben Diaz Sr., i'll say that much

Gunshow Poophole posted:

uh how did the BUM rep vote because lmao

e: the tally that I dug up https://twitter.com/DSANorthStar/status/1022832730889805824

BUM was the only resounding No

Fight us
don't look at me, i was one of the 9 who voted "no" in south brooklyn

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

as a councilman jumaane is far better than most. but that doesn't mean we should have endorsed him

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Feb 10, 2007

i got invited into a Jewish solidarity group in NYC DSA and we talk about stuff in a Discord channel. somehow they know i post on SA and someone mentioned that a long post history here is a "red flag". they're seemingly more left-wing than DSA here at large and they should be suspicious of new members, but i have no idea why being a goon is bad

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Feb 10, 2007

Mantis42 posted:

I think being a Goon is a huge Red Flag just, like, in general.
well yeah, but in the context of Jewish socialism it makes no sense

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Feb 10, 2007

Defenestration posted:

have you read this thread?
barely

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Feb 10, 2007

Ace of Baes posted:

People link SA/goons to FYAD, and a contingent of online DSA hate irony to the point where they created a made up term "irony fash" to accuse people who make jokes of being Nazis lol
that explains it. i guess the only acceptable way to joke online is to make semi-ironic, unfunny memes about socialism

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Feb 10, 2007

Ace of Baes posted:

I mean you can just ignore those people or laugh at them, they don't really exist much offline, theyre mostly like that bc they're trying to leverage it into social standing/climbing or self promotion or whatever or they're psychotic narcissists.
i don't bother with twitter and never read my facebook timeline, plus NYC DSA is mostly free of idiotic IRL drama, save for one moron in the Central Brooklyn branch. that's why i was surprised to see something like that

also it's not an NYC-based group, it's nationwide. so that explains things too

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Feb 10, 2007

i'm probably going to the DSA watch party tomorrow at Starr Bar in Bushwick, NYC. who else is coming? you'll be able to see AOC and Julia Salazar there

Postoyevsky posted:

most chapters of DSA operate as the left wing of the Democratic party :smugdon:
you joke (i think), but my friend in Baltimore is losing her mind over there because of the idiots who make up that DSA chapter

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

there's an internationalist conference that was recently established in NYC DSA, which is a good start. the average member here has no concept of american imperialism besides boosting Palestine with the zeal and vigor of someone who read a Wikipedia article about it two weeks ago and sometimes giving a poo poo about Yemen. every other part of the world touched by american imperialism (everywhere) is seemingly of no concern to them. they're not really saying much about Venezuela but i think that's for the best. focusing on there for too long makes people go insane

in any case, i'm planning on stepping back my involvement with NYC DSA as well as the other political group that i'm in (New Kings Democrats). there are only so many hours in a week under capitalism and i want more out of leftism than electoralism and healthcare canvassing. besides the drive to get more members into rank-and-file union jobs, that's really all they seem to do. i'm in the political education working group and we seem to be getting complacent there, as well: we do new member orientations and ABCs of Socialism discussion groups, but film screenings and other readings are constantly postponed due to lack of coordination with other groups

recently i've been doing more events with Outlive Them NYC, a jewish anti-fascist group that holds monthly shabbat dinners and shows up at protests and demonstrations. that's very much up my alley. also, they party better. one thing that i'll give DSA is that it's been great for my political evolution, and i found out about Outlive Them through the Jewish Solidarity Caucus. if you're getting disillusioned with DSA, there are probably members who know of other things, so throw out some feelers

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Feb 10, 2007

Dr. John is pretty cool imo

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Feb 10, 2007

National Knew

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Feb 10, 2007

one of my major gripes with NYC DSA, which i'm sure isn't unique to them, is how puny their outreach is to other groups. i think that's a big reason why it's not very diverse, though it's very slowly improved since i've joined. a housing group meeting i went to in Brooklyn was almost all white. i couldn't help but contrast it to a neighborhood tenants' union i used to go to meetings of pre-DSA, which was very diverse in terms of race, age, and amount of time living there

both of those groups did a canvass for rent laws a couple of weeks ago, so maybe that's improving too. they have time to figure it out but for now, it worries me a little

Tercio posted:

How about anyone in the org actually google someone's name before the decide that their ability to put all the right socialist words together means they're a Marxist Wizard here to take us to the promised land.
maybe some day, people will stop thinking words speak louder than actions and won't give such creeps and/or grifters any attention. but that ain't happening any time soon, if ever, because social media rewards that kind of behavior

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Feb 10, 2007

Internet Explorer posted:

There shouldn't be a single person in charge. Goes against everything we stand for, IMO.

We do a steering committee comprised of all the heads of each committee.
i forgot what it's like on the citywide level, but each of the branches here in NYC (North, Central, & South Brooklyn; Lower Manhattan; Bronx/Upper Manhattan; Staten Island; Queens; Labor) have a steering committee. In South Brooklyn, one of the members proposed reducing the steering committee by one member and flesh out roles for the members (secretary, treasurer, new membership, etc.). Currently one member sits out of votes so as not to create ties, I joked if it's like a "chore wheel" in an apartment with a few roommates. So I'm really not sure why one guy is on top in Atlanta.

Also, the citywide convention is coming up. I was considering throwing my name in but decided against it. One of the North Brooklyn members really wants more frequent citywide meetings, which I kind of agree with, but those are a pain in the rear end to organize.

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Feb 10, 2007

Goon Danton posted:

The only sensibly sized region there is Maria's.
but Maria is based on the other side of the country, she's in the South Brooklyn branch

gently caress factionalism, fix National first

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Feb 10, 2007

how much of the outrage towards the national convention is real and how much of it is twitter rose emoji bullshit? one of my friends told me that the entire leadership of the Hudson County (New Jersey) branch resigned, so there's probably something to it

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Feb 10, 2007

https://twitter.com/Maskfield/status/1156300893941305345
i do think that paying $44 for a bag lunch is a scam, but that says more about the hotel than DSA. although apparently national is sleeping in a bed of their own making because people were insistent about spreading them out geographically, and Atlanta is a loving nightmare to get around, by design of course

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Feb 10, 2007

i wasn't gonna post that exchange because i hate it. it's emotionally draining to be pissed off at something all the time, and so many people making that their online personality has made the internet what it is today. all of that is bad enough, but to turn around and demand that other people get just as pissed off about the same thing is narcissism

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Feb 10, 2007

i'm in NYC and from what i've seen, that rabble is easily filtered out. people like the guy from the disability caucus who made a big stink about accessibility are curiosities and you can look back on them and laugh. once you get enough people to join your movement, it gets easier

of course, getting to that point is easier said than done, especially in areas that don't have much of a left presence

edit: someone posted ahead of me about space here and that's a big problem too. general meetings are usually in sympathetic churches or libraries. for South Brooklyn in particular, we also cluster in only a couple of neighborhoods because that's where the members tend to be, but that comes at the cost of potential members in other neighborhoods being left out. Bensonhurst is one of the most diverse neighborhoods in NYC and we hardly have any regular members from there. and forget about different languages- we have some Spanish and Arabic speakers, but when it comes to Chinese, Russian, and Haitian Creole (to name a few), we've got nobody

luckily, the Caban campaign looks like it's the start of NYC DSA's further collaboration with the Working Families Party, which potentially opens the door to coalitions with other groups

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i do kind of see the hesitation to have post-meeting gatherings at bars. some people don't drink for cultural or personal reasons. the problem is that it's hard to find a social gathering space that isn't a bar. cafes typically aren't open late and aren't great for large groups of people to begin with

fermun posted:

the real problem is that people in dsa are super inexperienced. everyone now realizes how expensive doing a convention at a union hotel in the south is, and people should have known that it would be super expensive and started doing fundraising back in like february, but pretty much no one even thought about that because dsa is super inexperienced. i don't think most chapters even started their fundraising for sending their delegates to the convention until like last month, that's going to be a lesson that people remember for 2021 but we're a bunch of inexperienced idiots for now and pretty much everyone messed up and didn't start fundraising for their delegates early enough.
at some point you can't use the "growing pains" excuse anymore, but i think that's fair to use for now. hell, i'd say that NYC DSA has only recently started to find its footing outside of the electoral realm, and we're the biggest branch. we'll be fine

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Feb 10, 2007

Phi230 posted:

Its really demoralizing to see chapters implode and people burn out bevause of interpersonal conflicts

Like someone said itt that you can filter out the "rabble" but what exactly happens when woke libs/terminally online weirdos/social climbers actually take power in the org qnd start wielding it against personal enemies

Its hosed up and it makes me sad

The total dysfunction has alienated so many people, at least locally. Like there was a screaming match when we had an organizer from the felon voting rights amendment push. They never worked with us again
i said that, and the only way to ensure that the people you talked about don't take power is to get more people into the local organization and the left in general. once people are in charge who actually know how to organize and bring something to the table that isn't whining, you can make a local a force to be reckoned with. that's easier said than done, of course, and i'm not sure how you do that in smaller chapters that tend to attract cranks of all stripes

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Feb 10, 2007

Larry Parrish posted:

I cant imagine New York is that much better considering it's like permanently 95 there and it's on an estuary which means it's probably also permanently humid as hell.
there's no "probably" about the humidity here. i'd rather be in Arizona for the summer

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Feb 10, 2007

Mullen/Hughes for president/vice president of DSA 2019

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Feb 10, 2007

second time this person has been brought up itt, i don't like them

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