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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Important question, Does the DSA gently caress?

Cause I hear they gently caress real good.

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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

unbutthurtable posted:

Buddy, yer gonna have to be more specific

sorry just making a Cum Town podcast reference, whenever they praise someone they first ask "do you think X fucks? Hell yeah bitch X fucks real good", the guy who leads it is the BF of Amber lee frost the lady who is a big part of the DSA in brooklyn.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
wooops sorry wrong thread.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
I think the DSA should adopt this as a theme song for the forseeable future:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guni4TEfzb0&feature=youtu.be

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

ThndrShk2k posted:

With the way the monumental momentum is going, that might be a likely solution

https://twitter.com/VanessaWBAL/status/897210583585566720

lol there are confederate statues in Baltimore?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
what is it about alaska that makes the best socialists.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
I think the DSA cop to be kicked out or else it's COINTELPRO all over again, no quarter for CLEAT cops ever.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

jarofpiss posted:

i think as a democratic socialist reformist org we should not kick people out:

1. outside the democratic process
2. for heretofore nonexistent purity standards
3. for participating in fundamentally oppressive capitalist orgs with the goal of reforming them

dont worry dsa troops i won't come for you on this one

1. who gives a poo poo.

2. Purity standards are really awesome I love purity standards including standards of making sure that nobody who actively deceived the voting body by hiding their history.

3. who gives a poo poo I think people should be kicked out to make sure COINTELPRO doesnt win again, so that african americans can feel safe being in the DSA, and to send a message that deceit is not to be tolerated.

If you have to pick between making african american members feel safe and get more to feel like this movement makes them feel welcome and to encourage them into joining the movement, and between some lovely texan cop nobody but a bunch of austin retards care about, then the choice is clear.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 02:03 on Aug 17, 2017

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
sorry I'm being a little bit over paranoid because I've been reading alot about how nixon dealt with leftist orgs and most of my info comes from African american activists who really got pissed off at the danny vote.

Business Gorillas posted:

edit: aren't you in saudi arabia why are you nude with us

I like to debate and learn, also I've known lots of democratic movement people who consistently got hosed whenever they'd allow anyone with a hint of police background in their movements, the only time allowing anybody with previous ties to the regime has ever worked is when theres a civil war when there's essentially no going back for them.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Aug 17, 2017

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

jarofpiss posted:

i get where you're coming from and i know there's no good outcome here, but i really think undermining the fundamental principles of the org and tossing a member based on assumptions of bad faith sets a pretty bad precedent. also i've made lots of tiresome posts about this but really i think the assumption that he concealed his connection with CLEAT comes from a lack of understanding of how unions in this country are structured more than anything.

dude honestly if the choice is between one shady guy who presents alot of uncomfortable noise and is a giant headache to have around and a whole mass of African Americans waiting to be embraced into the movement really gently caress principles just do what it takes to get as many new people on board and ultimately to loving WIN.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

If the guy got "hosed over", wouldn't the right thing to do be to stand behind him?

yes because the optics standing behind a cop when a large majority of african americans have drawn the line in the sand on this is a great way for the DSA to reach out to them.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Why would anyone want to join or take a leadership position in an organization that will abandon one of its own because of unsubstantiated twitter outrage? Even if the worst things you say about this guy are true and he's literally a CIA assassin there still needs to be a process.

because politics is about winning and if some random cop is standing between you and a mass of potential recruits and a wider outreach to African Americans then really who gives a poo poo about abandoning one cop? leadership means you get the approval and trust of your followers, if they dont trust you as a result of one of your members being shady, then kick him off to the curb so that the larger goal succeeds.

Like I dont get why you guys are hung up about this one dude.

anyways, maybe my perceptions comes from a much more brutal environment for political activism so maybe my outlook on the value of the individual is much less merciful, like him staying is much worse for the overall goal then him leaving, so gently caress it, kick him to the curb, let the people who support him cry and squeal and just ignore them and push forward with the larger goal of widening the potential recruitment pool of the movement.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 04:12 on Aug 17, 2017

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Organizing police unions is really loving easy when you're supported and militarized and given funding by the government and when you're the enforcer of the interests of the powers that be, like I dont get how that type of union activity is impressive or wanted since they wouldnt have faced any sort of challenge.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

My first DSA meeting ever was last night's Austin meeting.

I joined and I'm gonna go back but this suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

Lol of course the Austin branch sucks.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

lol the DSA is defeated by an old stubborn white person lying cointelpro guy LOLOLOL

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Slanderer posted:

why do you post here?

because I enjoy watching and reading about the DSA and shooting the poo poo about it?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Slanderer posted:

posts like this from someone who will never join the DSA make me think you are less than forthright

Was I wrong about that post I made in jest?

I like the DSA, I think they're admirable, and I'm here to comment on C-Spam and shoot the poo poo about something I like to follow, and yes it does seem that Austin has alot of trouble with Danny and I think them backing him to the hilt and Danny lording over them is kinda sucky.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 04:27 on Aug 29, 2017

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

lol lord give the proletariat the confidence of a mediocre old white man.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Yeah it's interesting to see leftist orgs hang themselves by their own stupid laws and processes the same way other leftist groups throughout history have always fallen prey to single idiot assholes who know full well how to take advantage of wobbly kneed bearacracy to attain and hold on to power.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

jarofpiss posted:

drat we're at 60k

oh for real?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Karl Barks posted:

Our revolution is telling people to join DSA?

that would be bananas if that's the case, the DSA got some really big hitters like Linda Sarsour, an endorsement by Our Revolution would be a huge deal.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

GoluboiOgon posted:

Mind if I ask a question about police abolition? When I hear the term, the first thing i think of is Paul Bremer firing all of the Baathist police and officers in Iraq, and how many of the fired Baathists joined ISIS. Obviously the current police system is terrible and must be changed, but I fear that completely eliminating the police will lead to a large pool of unemployed racists used to abusing authority, and create some sort of Freikorps/Klan hybrid. The stated goals in the DSA platform all involve police/criminal justice reforms (and are great), but is police abolition even possible?

wasnt it just prisons that should be abolished and police simply massively reformed?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Vhak lord of hate posted:

Creative bending of established guidelines is more of a Jewish thing but we kicked them all out when we started the "Death to Israel" chant at the con

lol what you love colonialism and apartheid? what kind of a leftist are you?

also nobody said death to Israel they said free palestine and voted to support boycotting apartheid, if you dont like it you can eat poo poo.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

oh hey in case you didnt notice Apartheid supporters are huge pieces of poo poo who will lie and do whatever it takes to protect their ethno-nationalist agenda including making up insane smears against people who call them out for their bullshit.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Business Gorillas posted:

Is this a "all jews support israel" post because it sure sounds like it

??? how the gently caress did you come to that conclusion? I was talking about apartheid supporters being dishonest pricks.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

lol this alone should be grounds for immediate expulsion, let alone being a prissy crying bitch cop who's actively defending police unions in this loving letter.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Ace of Baes posted:

hey everyone just stopping in to be right again you dumbasses

hey dog get in line I was right way before you were lol.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/904029081397800962

Anybody even close to helping a police union no matter what should never be allowed in the DSA.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
I hope you guys are ready because the supporters of Zionist Apartheid are going to do everything they can to keep any of you or your candidates from ever winning an election, those racists are loving vicious and cruel as gently caress if you ever stand up for the Palestinians.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the DSA has just become COBRA hasn't it.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Venom Snake posted:

"no more cops" is a DSA plank but afaik "no more military" is not

I have no opinion on this, but I'm genuinely curious, if you're a member of the military, and you choose to go fight in imperialist ventures and help implement lovely foreign policy, doesnt that make you kind of against the founding principles of an anti-war anti-imperialist organization like the DSA?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the problem is that americans put their own soldiers on a golden pedestal, firing a guy for being an active duty soldier would probbaly be bad for PR, there has to be some kind of media strategy to make sure the DSA can kick out active and unrepentant soldiers and deflect criticism.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
it's simple, anytime a member of the military wants to join the DSA you make them sign a paper that tells them that they should poo poo on the graves of any serviceman sent to imperial ventures abroad, refuse to serve of get sent to imperial wars and loudly lambast and poo poo on their fellow soldiers and disavow them for serving in thsoe wars and that they have to never support the troops, if they refuse they dont get in.

bing bong boom simple.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

is the officer on the NPC because I'm sure having new members submit a full resume with their application is going to go over real well

why not just a form with three questions:-

(a) are you a cop.

(b) are you a serviceman who has served in any capacity to subjugate a country for imperialist goals and havent repented or sought redemption for it.

(c) are you a republican or a rapist/murderer on the run

And just have that as a minimum disqualification criteria lol.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

deadgoon posted:

woah so now u cant't join the dsa if ur wanted for murder???????

these purity tests are why the left will never win

hmph so much for the tolerant left.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Wasnt 'support are Troops' What killed socialism in mainland europe at the start of world war 1?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
https://twitter.com/mazmhussain/status/908713109132578818


Israel is busy exporting its special brand of racist oppression, the new target is now Americans and minorities.

It's time the democratic socialists of of America realize that Israel and its supporters are their blood enemies and are helping American police for a nightmare future and setting the ground to help expel 800,000 DACA kids. They are getting ready to subject you to horror, get ready and have no illusions of what they actually want when they complain about your support for BDS, namely your subjugation and oppression.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

GURL POWER :black101:

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
you did good, comrades. you did good.

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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
https://twitter.com/people4bernie/status/928091618401554432

:black101:

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