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cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
Recent South Bay (CA) DSA member, heading to my first meeting soon (mmm potluck).

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cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Weeping Wound posted:

sheesh, with the outpouring support for DSA, should I just do that instead of PSL?
For what its worth, I did a fair amount of research in the weeks after the election and I came to the conclusion that the DSA was the org for me. Socialist/Leftist organizations of all stripes are growing post election, but DSA just has that certain something. Maybe its the close relationship with Bernie, I don't know, but they really have their college/millenial game on point and have doubled in members since the election.

They also seem to be more of a bottom up org with a lot of emphasis on local chapters doing their thing, while PSL and Socialist Alternative (SA/SAlt) are more top down. Everyone is welcome in the progressive left, and most of the fight over the next 4 years will probably be 1) opposing trump and 2) pushing the general dialogue left (both national discussion and individual congress people).

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

the DSA slack needs more SA smilies. I keep wanting to respond with :same: but nothing happens.
There is a DSA slack? That's a thing?

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Internet Explorer posted:

It's pretty straight forward. We're taking the party back for the working class. Next question?
I don't see any reason, right now at least, to make it any more complex than this.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Crowsbeak posted:

Who is this guy?
Someone who I wish I could vote for

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Doorknob Slobber posted:

bernie should talk some serious, serious poo poo about white nationalist groups until he gets assassinated and becomes a martyr
I hope he lives to be a hundred and at the end is entirely fueled by his anger.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
This is excellent

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Ace of Baes posted:

Guys I submitted the DSA gangtag to the admin last night, feel free to keep making diff ones but just so you know.
:911: Can't wait - did the final version get posted?

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

logikv9 posted:

:siren: Hello DSA thread. :siren: Your lovely OP has organized a gangtag for those of you who have donated a minimum of $5 to the DSA, if you choose to have it.



If you would like it, please quote this post along side proof of a donation of sufficient quantity. Proof can be simply quoting an older post you made previously that itself contained donation proof, or if you are a new donor that wants it, quote this post alongside proof of that donation.

I can nearly guarantee that your title will be safe and sound underneath your avatars within five (5) business days, or whenever I check this thread, really. :hai:

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

MizPiz posted:

Get comfortable in those meetings then start pushing for change you want to see. Even longtime members of the DSA don't know what the gently caress to do with the influx of new members, so this is entirely new and intimidating experience for everyone involved.

Just don't see this as a sign that the DSA is doomed to fail, see it as an opportunity to stretch your legs politically.
Really cant see any reason for a DSA meeting to last more than an hour. There is now way someone who hears about DSA doesn't have any email - send the bulk poo poo electronically and focus the physical, face to face meetings on important, energizing stuff.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
Its important to step beck and acknowledge that there are a lot of awful people out there, and they tend to become more awful when empowered by the anonymity of the internet. This is true of every org and movement anywhere, ever.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Ace of Baes posted:

It's important for Democrats to generalize as many groups of ppl as possible as sexist, racist, naive, etc. to make sure they don't accidentally win elections.
Doesn't matter. Once they get that sweet, sweet Bernie email list, they will be positively swimming in 27 dollar donations.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

zegermans posted:

I gave Bernie $50

I threw 20 bucks at a couple of those "Split a donation with Bernie and <whoever>".

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

OhFunny posted:

New Hampshire should be filing for formal chapter recognition this month.

Although I was told a state wide chapter is discouraged, but there aren't five people in one place since NH is very suburban.
A state wide chapter in a small state seems like it would make sense. I would imagine the idea is to have the smallest, most local chapters possible. In places like CA Bay area, that is a bunch of chapters all over the place, but seems like a poor model for low population areas.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
I was unaware but apparently we have monthly new member orientation conference calls. The link is on the DSA website - might be helpful to new members.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Ace of Baes posted:

Wtf is a street medic?
I assume someone doing emergency triage during clashes with police.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
There is zero reason for any meeting to last more than an hour, outside of potluck/socializing time. If its more than an hour, you are not including enough things on handouts or in email. Its already asking a lot for people to spend part of their precious Saturday at a political meeting - if you don't make it worth their while, they will never come back.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

empireofcrime posted:

gently caress Ward Churchill always knows how to cut to the heart of a point in the most brutal way possible.
This is a position that is as stupid as it is aggressively counter productive. Even if you accept the obviously untrue position that every stock broker and asset manager in the towers was DiCapprio from Wolf of Wall Street, there were plenty of secretaries, mail clerks and firefighters who suffered as well. "They deserved to die because of America's Imperialism" is an embarrassing thing to have on the official twitter.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

can we just nationalize pg&e already, they're absolute fuckers
They have already been fined by the state for diverting money from their tree maintenance funds to prop up their profits. loving nationalize them.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Syndlig posted:

i'm trying to picture how to do that in our 700+ member chapter where we can't even get 10 volunteers to help with meetings, period

like we literally just press people into service who happen to be standing nearby a thing that needs to get done, because otherwise nothing would get done
Its not really that crazy. There is no longer a strong tradition of organization on the left in America. Hard volunteer work in the DSA will not result in paid positions or access to powerful politicians (aka the way the Democratic/Republican parties get legions of grunts to give their time). Many people in the DSA are new to active politics and modern Capitalism has ensured that the average American is both increasingly alienated from his/her community and neighbors, and too sick, tired and overworked to donate time to grass roots political organizing.

There are so many hurdles to overcome.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
Is it a bad sign that Ocasio-Cortez didn't mention NYDSA at all in her shout out tweet thread?
Or am I reading too much into this? https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1012373932874362880

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Tyrannosoros posted:

She's got them on her bio so :shrug: but yeah maybe she was a cop all along?
She has Justice Dems in her bio too... Oh well.

apropos to nothing posted:

not saying this is true in her case specifically, cause I dont know, but this is one major criticism I have of the DSA and yalls approach to elections. theres really no mechanism for holding "dsa candidates" to a specific platform or party line. like you can withdraw endorsements or support, but thats no different than what every union and other interest group can do. the candidates arent elected as dsa members who are accountable to the dsa membership to hold specific positions. as a result, the politics of a dsa endorsed candidate can look completely different in different places. because of this, ocasio-cortez isn't really a DSA candidate, at least in the sense that she is just as much a justice democrats candidate or a brand new congress candidate. yes shes a member, but its not like she represents the DSA as a congress person, it wasnt the DSA that decided to run her for that seat she chose to run as an individual and prolly safe to say would have run whether she was endorsed or had the support of the DSA or not.

taking an approach where the DSA ran fewer candidates and were stingier with endorsements but it meant the candidates were accountable to the orgs membership or valued the endorsements much more would I think lead to better organization and more influence for yall. I know I'm being critical right now, not trying to rain on the parade and generally its a very positive thing that she was elected, but I really do believe what I mentioned would be a better approach. I think taking that approach might mean slower growth in membership and a little less national attention in the short term, but I think would be a lot more meaningful and lead to a much stronger working class movement long term.
I don't think its so much that they "nominated" her or that she is a DSA candidate (DSA doesn't have candidates) as they supported her from very early on, both in terms of human power/time and financially.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Ace of Baes posted:

She specifically identifies as a DSA member and talks up why she's a part of DSA in her Teen Vogue interview as well as a bunch of others I'm sure. Her electoral victory triggered the single biggest jump in DSA membership, including post election and Charlottesville.
I know, I know, its just that I'm still recovering from Uncle Bernie.

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cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

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