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The bad part isn't when it gets shoved up your knob, it's the bit where they pull it back out that really hurts.
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The SWP should be shunned and pushed to the margins wherever they crawl out of the woodwork, we've been over this a thousand times.
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Feb 3, 2017 17:47
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TheRat posted:And this is why the right keeps winning. This isn't the usual quibbling over the minutiae of theory and excluding comrades on some tenuous bullshit, the SWP is a creepy, self-interested cult that covered up systemic sexual abuse and they should be excluded from the broader left until they wither and die.
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Feb 3, 2017 17:51
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Darth Walrus posted:I did once find a pretty good effortpost on a pretty unlikely discussion forum that summarises why the SNP is awful and best avoided fairly well. Are you letting jedit use your account?
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Feb 4, 2017 01:01
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Tories gently caress the country with a stupid loving referendum and it's labour that has to eat the poo poo sandwich they ordered, it's loving incredible.
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Feb 4, 2017 01:16
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The labour party remains bad and poo poo, surprising no-one. Well, no-one it seems, apart from the few who think that a change of captain will somehow plug the holes in the hull of a sinking ship -- that ship having hit an iceberg. Thinking "anyone but Corbyn" can save the labour party at this stage is as daft as it turned out believing in Corbyn himself was in the first place. Some things you just can't foresee. Brexit came to wreck everything and ruin our lives. God sent it. gently caress this dogshit country and all who sail in her.
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Feb 4, 2017 06:39
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Pissflaps posted:Corbyn sailed Labour into the iceberg. He's hosed up and it's going to take a long, long time to put things right. Labour was a sinking ship before that. Corbyn was the last worthwhile attempt at keeping it above the waterline. And now, like this tenuous and overstretched metaphor (godwilling), it is time for it to die.
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Feb 4, 2017 08:56
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Pissflaps posted:You can keep telling yourself that for the next few Tory election wins if it makes you feel better. Of course, labour didn't just lose two elections in a row before Corbyn was elected leader, after all.
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Feb 4, 2017 09:00
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Pissflaps posted:Losing two elections in a row is common in British politics, especially when the first comes after a long period in government. Well, they haven't lost any in the time since so I don't know what you're griping about with regards to Corbyn's record. Still everything to play for and up to 4 years on the clock.
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Feb 4, 2017 09:17
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It was post-war social democracy that was the compromise to keep nazis dead and buried and ward off socialist revolution. Today's liberalism is what you're left with when you progressively strip away that compromise over the course of about 40 years.
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Feb 4, 2017 22:51
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Fangz posted:This is really a function of how 'establishment' is a stupid word that has no meaning. We should just discard all words because their meanings are invariably subjective and multi-faceted and communicate solely through inarticulate grunting.
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Feb 5, 2017 18:10
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I'm sensing an anti-anime animus emanating.
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Feb 5, 2017 20:47
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With the best will in the world, it's a weird loving time for Corbyn's labour to start worrying about what the press thinks after weathering a long and co-ordinated campaign of negative media coverage from every conceivable direction. Labour need to actually set out a concrete agenda and decide what they're all about, rather than spending all their time on the defensive, slowly withering under the onslaught of a hostile press.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:21
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spectralent posted:Again, talking about loonie leftie ideas for having trains that aren't poo poo hasn't gotten people shot in the last year. True point, and it's unsettling to say the least that we have the press all but directly putting out hits on people they don't like. Still, I don't think being visibly intimidated by the bad newspaper men and cowed into silent acquiescence with the sitting government is a good look.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:44
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Christ alive, you lot, why do you still respond to Pissflaps?
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Feb 5, 2017 22:09
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"Stewart Lee, a Comedian writing a habitually comedic column in a national newspaper posted:My constituency voted 78% remain. On Wednesday, my MP was too ill to vote. I’m joining the Liberal Democrats, itself on some level a hopeless admission of defeat. This has to be 100% serious. Stewart Lee is dead to me. quote:Public objections to Trump’s state visit are understandable, but are denounced as hypocrisy by shrill Brexit bullies pointing out that no one complained when the Queen hosted the entire entourage of Doctor Victor Von Doom, iron-faced autocratic dictator of Latveria, a totalitarian state policed by Doom’s flying sentinels, the Doombots. This actually happened, this is also 100% serious.
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Feb 6, 2017 16:39
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dex_sda posted:A poo poo-haired oval office, who resides at the very apex of all that is absolute patience testing wank. Don't sign your posts.
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Feb 6, 2017 18:00
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jabby posted:You might not kick them out of the focus group, but there should be some sort of filter preventing stuff like pure appearance-based criticism from making it to the party higher-ups and eventually the newspapers. Why even write down things like 'charity-shop looking'? I mean if the person in question called her a fat bitch instead would we see that printed in the Times as an official focus group opinion? At a certain point the opinion expressed reflects badly on the person holding it and has nothing to do with the MP in question. Focus grouping is all about finding the lowest common denominator to appeal to. People are often fundamentally poo poo and advertising and PR is all about exploiting that to best effect. If you got rid of every arsehole in the room the exercise itself would be pointless.
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Feb 12, 2017 20:15
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Democracy is evil, you see, because North Korea's a democracy, it's in the name and everything.
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Feb 13, 2017 20:11
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jfc who even decided byelections were these massively significant make-or-break moments in the first place? At best, like polls they're a barometer of prevailing public opinion which could well be completely different at the next GE. The whole press narrative about labour seems to hold them to an entirely arbitrary standard and level of scrutiny that no other political party nationwide is held to. They're also boring as poo poo to hear about, to be honest, it's the most inside baseball thing in British politics with the possible exception of PMQs.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:45
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Pissflaps posted:Oh dear have we now decided that literal elections don't matter now as well as the polls? I'm sure they matter, but jesus christ hearing about them endlessly like the latest one will definitively prove labour is done as a political party and UKIP is their new replacement is a stretch every drat time.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:55
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Darth Walrus posted:Not saying media coverage of Labour isn't kind of skewed, but UKIP getting a seat in Parliament or the Conservatives extending their uncomfortably narrow majority are kind of significant deals. Plus, it generally pays to pay attention to local politics - it's how the Republicans managed to totally dominate the American government, after all: kustomkarkommando posted:They're snap elections that test the public mood on a small scale. Failing to hold a seat indicates something is shifting. I understand the concept well enough, I just don't subscribe to the idea that they are in fact as important as they're made out. Or rather, if they are important indicators of future electoral failure or success it's much more due to the media narrative constructed around them rather than facts on the ground.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:07
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Christ alive, there's no need to be condescending pricks-- *checks usernames* oh, you do need to. Carry on.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:14
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The tories already have a majority and labour is already useless, byelections aren't gonna change that.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:18
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jBrereton posted:Even though Gareth Snell may in fact be one of the shittest newly minted MPs ever, surely you can see how it might be in the party's advantage to have him and not Paul Nuttall win the seat just in terms of ~The Narrative~ which you think is the only thing going on? Sure. It's still mostly inside baseball though, and the much-anticipated UKIP-led upset against labour has failed to materialise in pretty much every other byelection that's been covered to date. I don't disagree that byelections play a role I just don't subscribe to the idea that they're as decisive or important as they're made out. This isn't getting excuses in early, it's plain labour's in trouble and they're probably gonna get hosed in the next GE. If they win this next byelection or lose it, it's not gonna augur the result further down the line.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:39
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Cerv posted:On the one hand you've a complaint about the make up of the parliamentary party. Not really, since you're putting words into my mouth. Labour is screwed by more factors than just the makeup of the PLP and my gripe wasn't about byelections taking place, just the undue emphasis placed on them as predictors of labour's future electoral success. There wasn't really even an argument couched in my complaint so much as I was expressing boredom and frustration with the endless harping about how each byelection is so pivotally important that a labour loss indicates the end of labour as an electorally viable party or whatever bullshit the commentariat's trotting out this time. They desperately want a working-class UKIP surge and a shift away from traditional labour support to be a thing and that's the narrative they're going for, no matter how many times it fails to happen.
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Feb 14, 2017 23:39
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Politics is a team sport, this is the red team thread, obviously if someone on our team does something we disagree we can't complain about it when others do.
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I genuinely don't even know why American foreign policy ghouls have it in for Iran. Perhaps they don't know either and it's just some grudge they inherited from the Bush years. I mean, I know they pretty much lust for brown death, but the special hard-on of hate they have for Iran is just kind of perverse even by their standards.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:19
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Tesseraction posted:Iran kicked out their puppet during the cold war and they never got over it. It's similar to how they're so fuckin' bitter about Cuba. I like how instead of any kind of Machiavellian realism or realpolitik or whatever, American foreign policy is driven almost entirely by spite.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:25
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British politics is now more than ever feeling like a loving time warp. Endless, recursive, grinding tedium with no end in sight. Bring back 2016 I say, while it may have been an absolute oval office of a year it was at least interesting from beginning to end.
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Feb 20, 2017 21:38
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What difference does it actually make whether a dictator is elected or not? This has always puzzled me. Are tyrants made less tyrannical by virtue of democratic mandate?
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Feb 21, 2017 17:15
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Jeza posted:Well, it's simple. Democracy and tyranny are natural enemies. You can't become a true despot without first dismantling the democratic structure. Unelected dictators are far, far more common than elected ones, so it's just a game of probability. If you're elected democratically, the odds of you going full dictator historically are a lot less than if you just busted into high office on the back of a military coup. I don't entirely agree with this. The US is a democracy by most metrics and yet the power of the state is hugely centralised and controls a vast repressive apparatus (along with a bloated military) that can be directed almost at will against anybody arbitrarily considered an enemy of state. For Trump (or any of his predecessors) to be a tyrant he doesn't really have to do much in the way of dismantling and America's done a great job of terrorising the world and many of its own citizens since World War 2 while maintaining itself as the very model of a modern liberal democracy. I guess what I'm trying to say in my typically rambling and unfocused way is that I worry that by fixating on Trump the person or the idea that unelected dictators are qualitatively different, we end up individualising a systemic problem. The problem being that liberal democracy is just a veneer of respectability, a rubber stamp of manufactured consent for a killing machine every bit as brutal and repressive and unaccountable as the worst of tinpot dictatorships.
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Feb 21, 2017 17:39
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Pissflaps posted:Minimum wage, tax credits, reduced poverty, massive investment in schools and hospitals. That's not being very fair. Jezza's accomplished all kinds of worthwhile things in his long career as an activist and labour MP. Just very few of them -- or perhaps even none -- while leader of the labour party.
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Feb 24, 2017 09:57
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HJB posted:Nothing. As in, nothing will happen in the UK any more. Sounds like a net good, considering what's usually happening.
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Feb 24, 2017 19:45
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mfw parliamentary socialism is a dead end
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Feb 26, 2017 21:38
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Gorillas are big gentle souls, really. What you want for that's a chimpanzee, they're horrible bastards.
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Feb 27, 2017 00:43
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hakimashou posted:I'm glad the US is at least appearing to learn from you guys' mistakes. gently caress off would you.
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Pissflaps posted:'Who?' -Jeremy Corbyn  edit: Pissflaps posted:Emotions are running high in the Centre Left Megathread. You know fine well this is the UK Marxism thread. 
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Feb 27, 2017 20:46
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You shouldn't hate the middle class for making more than you, you should hate them for their soft-bellied liberal politics and their aspirational lifestyle bullshit imo.
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Use that money to meet your material needs and keep your morale up by traveling the world and seeing and doing interesting poo poo, gain a better understanding of your fellow human beings, educate yourself, whatever. Money is power and should be used, not hoarded or surrendered. We shouldn't all be pious, ascetic monks sworn to poverty, the problem is the system not the individual.
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