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Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

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LmaoTheKid posted:

https://twitter.com/BlueshirtBanter/status/827513558023995393

AV settling into his 2 year extension nicely I see.

Eh, he has been struggling a bit the past couple of games (along with the rest of the team but whatever). He'll be fine and AV isn't going to bury him on the 4th line forever. Vesey deserved some more icetime so he got bumped up, plus it was a close game where AV shortened his bench. People just like to flip out whenever their fan favorite rookie goes through a bit of a slow spot and gets less icetime.

Chris Kreider is super cool and good though

Also the Flyers should trade Gotisbehere to the Rangers since hey obviously dont' think he's any good

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Sep 30, 2005

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Koopa Kid posted:

The Nashville Predators: sex offender free since...



lol wait nope

Remarkably accurate team name

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

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how good is marchenko? like, should the Rangers be clamoring at the door to pick him up if he lasts that long since their right side is a disgustingly barren wasteland of poo poo?

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

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is it just me or is forcing an equipment change on goalies in the middle of the season really horribly loving stupid and dumb

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

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Hakstol kind of looks like a guy who really doesn't know how he ended up coaching a NHL team

e: I mean purely based on his face

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Sep 30, 2005

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ThinkTank posted:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. His is the face of a man who has killed before and will do so again.

only in the most boring way possible

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Sep 30, 2005

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Mind_Taker posted:

From an outsider's view Maatta has looked terrible almost every time I have watched him. Obviously I don't watch every Penguins game so I might be missing something, but it seems like Dumoulin is a much better player.

Yeah Maata has been kinda crappy since that first season where he looked real solid all around...then he had all kinds of injuries and crap and he's slow with questionable decision making defensively

Sure WHEN he's on he's good positionally and smart on the ice but he hasn't done that consistently in a long while. I could be dumb though.

e: sure he's only 22 but he's not going to get any more fleet of foot and every season that passes in which you wonder "how can this guy cover up for his cement feet" is another season where the question of whether he's going to break out is a valid one

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Sep 30, 2005

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Jamwad Hilder posted:

what are the Rangers doing with Buchnevich? I thought he was good and I've held on to him in fantasy but apparently he's fuckin playing 8 minutes a night and trying to fight people now??

He had a bit of a down couple of games and Vesey looked like he should be moved up from the fourth line. Don't know why he's only getting less than 10 minutes but he's very much still a future piece for the Rangers and will be back playing top six minutes eventually. As for fighting I dunno I guess the Flames are a team of shitheads

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Sep 30, 2005

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T-Bone posted:

I don't know why people say this, Gretzky was utterly dominant in his prime and looked every bit of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6WOzWO9v2A

The "bad skater" myth is the worst one, he dominates with his skating, particularly his lateral mobility.

because people can't believe that a.) players back in those days were actually any good because have you seen the goaltending and defense? b.) if a player doesn't look physically imposing there's no way he could actually be that good and dominant.

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Sep 30, 2005

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Spring Break My Heart posted:

Gretzky was also a really great player deep into the 90's. In 98 he was 1 point off 2nd for scoring when he was 37, his back was shot and he was on a crap team.

yes he was still a point per game + player in his mid 30's in the dead puck era

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Sep 30, 2005

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Ginette Reno posted:

Maatta was slow even in his rookie season, and skating speed isn't something you can easily improve at the NHL level. His speed is what it is and I don't think a long off season of training will help it much. The question is how effective can he be with that skating? He seems okay as #4 or so dman when he's playing smart which is most of the time, but when he gets away from that hoo boy does he look bad because he doesn't have the speed to make up for bad reads.

I've heard people say that it's pretty tough to improve your skating a noticeable amount by the time you're at the NHL level because to really make a big jump you'd have to rework your skating stride altogether and that'd be going against a lifetime of habit and skating style. Unless you have some really terrible and obvious flaws that can easily be fixed then by the time you get to the NHL (and the odds of making it that far if you're really a terrible skater seem low) it's probably some very small gains to be made and stuff like strengthening your core muscles and lower body plays a much bigger role in improving balance and stuff and going from slow skater to fast skater isn't really possible

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Sep 30, 2005

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shyduck posted:

Dave Hakstol might not be a good NHL coach

Calling AMac a top 3 D should be grounds for immediate firing

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

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Shawn Cotureier posted:

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2017/2/7/14543784/notes-from-flyers-town-hall-meeting

Here's a full recap of the town hall meeting

Hakstol seems to be in WAY over his head

quote:

Asked if Hak was going to be fired and whether Hak was aggressive enough to coach in a city like Phila. Homer defended Hak, said he does things behind closed doors we don't see. Said Hak is not going anywhere, is part of the longterm plan for the team.

quote:

- Became very angry when someone asked how far the Flyers are away from Capitals and Penguins. Said they can compete with any team in the NHL. That was the last question directed to him. He left the room somewhat flustered. Looked like he was happy to get out of the room.

lol

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Sep 30, 2005

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Jamwad Hilder posted:

I mean he's like, what, 22 or 23? It wouldn't surprise me if he feels like he doesn't have to work any harder because of how well he played last year. Not that I'm much older than him, but young people are stupid. I'm actually pretty stupid too.

Anyway, it's still probably dumb to sit him.

Yeah it's common enough to have earned a name, the "sophomore slump", for when a young player has a real good 1st season and seems to think "well I'm awesome now I don't need to work any harder than I was before obviously I have this poo poo figured out" and then they struggle next season. It's probably really annoying for teams though because they're for sure saying "no really you need to work on these things it doesn't get easier from here it gets harder" and then the players don't do that.

ThinkTank posted:

Is there a lazier cliche in sports than "bad work ethic" for a young player? It's thrown about constantly, but I can count on one hand the number of times it has been true. In the vast majority of cases the answer is "players improve at different rates and can stagnate for a bit after having some initial success." Assuming that a drop in performance is suddenly the result of too much partying/not being a team guy instead of a natural part of the ups and downs of a pro career is just lazy. Not everyone is a Sidney Crosby beep boop never stop working machine.

I think the term "bad work ethic" is overused because most of the guys probably work harder at their job than the vast majority of regular people, but I do believe that like I said you have some guys who need to improve on things but don't for whatever reason (they think that since they did well the year before they don't need to improve their weak points, etc). That doesn't mean they're slacking though, they're still working out and in NHL hockey shape, it's just that they didn't spend the time to improve their weaknesses if they could.

But that all said yeah just straight benching him is pretty dumb.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I'm not sure how "didn't add muscle" = "poor work ethic"

Didn't DiPi get told to do some thing and all that working out caused his injuries

That was probably DiPietro being dumb but it's also a bit different when you're talking about goalies.

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Sep 30, 2005

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DiPietro had a lot of talent I think but yeah injuries screwed his career. I think what amounted to his career ending hip injury occurred while he was at the all-star game

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grack posted:

Dipietro's hip problems forced him to try and adopt a new style as more of a standup goalie and he could not make it work.

Dan Blackburn briefly tried playing with two blockers after a nerve injury in his arm/shoulder mean the couldn't use his glove hand properly. Didn't really work out, as expected

e: Kovy's problem was that he played the stereotypical Russian try not to give up the puck ever and always make something out of nothing style that drives NHL coaches crazy. He'd probably fit in better in today's NHL but he still did a lot of turning the puck over in bad spots because he was always trying to stick handle through everyone or make an amazing play when a simple one would have been better. That said, he was talented enough to make it work for his career and yeah it wasn't that he coasted on his talent that was an issue.

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Sep 30, 2005

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Eh I think the biggest criticism I can think of with Kovalev is that if he was a smarter player he could have been considered one of the greats. All the physical tools were there and he could do pretty much anything any of the top players in the league could do, often better than they could, but but he didn't necessarily apply them as well as some other players. It's like...Crosby is the best in the league not because he's obviously the most physically talented player in the league...I think there are a lot of players you could say are on Crosby's level in terms of the outright talent department, but he's so good at just playing the game and knowing what to do or knowing how to take advantage of his opponents and use his skills to their best advantage. Kovalev didn't quite get that, at least consistently.

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Sep 30, 2005

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Ginette Reno posted:

Processing the game at high speeds is a talent imo and it's one most of the truly great players have. I also think it's something playmakers maybe get undue credit for when the all time great goalscorers have it too. Like Ovechkin knows exactly when to jump into a spot and unleash his one-timer. And Lemieux was famously good at appearing out of seemingly thin air at the exact point where a juicy rebound was popping out.

Yeah pretty much. Kovalev wasn't bad at it, he wasn't "dumb", but he wasn't on the level of the truly great players

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Sep 30, 2005

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Matt Zerella posted:

AV is annoying sometimes but I still am happy he's the coach of the team I root for.

I worry AV's evaluation of defensemen is bad and his system might not be the best for the defense he's enamored with but he gets a lot out of his forwards even if he seems to also purposefully refuse to play the advanced stats game

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Sep 30, 2005

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DuhSal posted:

I like Babcock I just don't understand his love of the current D corp. Corrado isn't great but I didn't think they gave him a fair look before waiving him. Marchenko isn't playing tonight because...??? But otherwise I'm pretty happy with Babcock. Team is fun to watch and even the year when they were broken pieces held together with duct tape they still competed really hard.

Coaches seem to hate young defensemen unless they're scoring a whole bunch. I assume a lot of it is positioning things and details that drives coaches nuts that young players don't have down yet but that most vets do well enough and when they gently caress up eh they get a pass because they're vets

I'm convinced Tortorella intentionally sabotaged the Canucks at this point

e: What's going to happen is that Columbus is going to mediocre their way to the 1st wildcard spot and the Rangers are going to have to play another lovely series against the Pens while Columbus romps over whatever pile of poo poo makes it out of the Atlantic

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Sep 30, 2005

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Martytoof posted:

Guy has a baby. You think he gets any sleep?

We're lucky he's still mostly awake during the games.

yeah right his wife/nanny is taking care of that kid he probably just waltzs home from practice and holds the kid for a bit at most

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Sep 30, 2005

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Doctor Butts posted:

CBJ seem to be regressing to the mean. Torts effect seems to have worn off, and some of the players who say "I told you so" are looking right. Only thing that remains to be seen is how Torts handles this situation- and whether he can get the team winning again.

I mean most teams in the league no matter how good they are go through hot and cold stretches. Even if you're awesome it's hard to be awesome over an entire 82 game schedule, this is probably more the bottom end of the Blue Jackets swing that's balancing out the top end they had going early in the season. I'd also expect the Caps to come back to earth a bit as well.

As for the Caps...I dunno man, too many years of them being one of the best teams in the league, if not the best team, to jump on the "this is totally their year!" bandwagon, and even if you are the best team in the league that doesn't mean the playoffs are a formality.

furthermore I hope that the Rangers don't trade for Shattenkirk unless it's a steal, but I do hope they manage to make some move for defense that helps them beyond just this season. If they pull another Eric Staal trade I'm going to be pissed...

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Mind_Taker posted:

No one should have faith in the Capitals' ability to win in the playoffs because of their history (OTOH Trump is president and the Cubs just won a World Series so anything can happen).

But it's also reasonable to say that this is probably the best team they have ever had in the regular season despite having two seasons of 120+ points in the past 7 years or whatever. Their PDO will come back to Earth but their underlying play has been excellent for months (unlike last season) and I think it's reasonable to expect them to maintain a higher than 100 PDO given the quality of their goaltending and shooters.

Yeah but that's what every team with a high PDO says ;)

Also just means they're due for regression riiiiiiiiiiiiight around the time the playoffs start

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Sep 30, 2005

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Speaking of high PDO holy crap JT Miller

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Sep 30, 2005

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It doesn't make a ton of sense for me to say this but the Caps D and goaltending just never really frighten me that much? I dunno. They have good D and Holtby is good but I've never felt like "oh no the Caps are just gonna lock this poo poo down and it's so hard to score against them ever"

I assume they aren't relying on the power play as much this season though

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Pornographic Memory posted:

The only knock on the Caps' D that I can think of is that they don't have that clear #1 Doughty/Keith/Letang guy like most cup teams, but their D group seems pretty well rounded and their forwards are so good I'm not sure it really matters.


The only thing that makes me think the Pens could beat the Caps is the possibility that the Penguins are just trying to cruise through the regular season. I don't know if they legitimately changed their system, the league figured them out or began catching up to them in terms of speed, or they just don't care enough to put in 100% effort, but they've never really consistently looked like they did down the stretch and in the playoffs last season. I feel like a lot of their deficiencies this season are down to not putting enough effort into certain things like backchecking or skating hard to win footraces, but I don't know, can a team really turn it on on demand?

Of course the Penguins could also beat the Caps in some crazy series where they get shutout like 3 times and then win a bunch of wild track meet games too.

I think the Pens were hot and everything was clicking last season. Usually that doesn't last indefinitely and things that were just working naturally last season may not be working as easily this season. They could get hot again, who knows. Playoffs are almost always about getting hot at the right time

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Sep 30, 2005

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Jovial Cow posted:

Larry Brooks wrote a column about an alternate universe where the Rangers were run like the Knicks. I'm now going to have nightmares tonight.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/09/what-if-dolans-rangers-were-run-like-the-knicks/

As interesting as it was I think it would be even better if Dolan wrote a book about sort of like how OJ almost published his "if I did it here's how I would have done it" book.

Dolan is a great owner for the Rangers because he focuses all his energy on loving up the Knicks and just opens his wallet for the Rangers. Every time I see anything about the Knicks I'm just super glad they exist to distract Dolan from the Rangers.

Though a lot of this seems to be Phil Jackson being a gigantic rear end in a top hat for some reason?

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Sep 30, 2005

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Dolan is terrible Oakley seems kind of like a crazy person so I'm not sure who I should be cheering for there

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Spring Break My Heart posted:

The Rangers also had a pretty long stretch between 97 and 2006 where they had by far the biggest payroll of any team and never came close to making the playoffs.

Actually I think the Leafs were right up there with them in terms of pay roll (and failure)

But yeah in those days everyone felt that Dolan was pressing the team to sign all the star players and do this and do that and it was a big reason why the team failed (I think Neil Smith complained about this on his way out). One theory is that Sather finally convinced him to sell off and rebuild right before the lockout, and when they came out of the lockout Sather started running the team more like a real sports franchise and less like a video game and things started picking up (well that and getting Jagr and his buddies to kick all kinds of rear end and hiring a decent coach).

Other people just say the cap protected Sather from himself and forced him to not blow up the team for every over the hill star that came along.

I think one thing we have learned is that for one reason or another, Dolan trusted and liked Sather and so eventually gave him the space to run the team the way he wanted to. Dolan hasn't seemed to give the Knicks that kind of space and part of it is probably that he likes basketball more than hockey so he likes meddling in it more, and also that once the Rangers got on track to be pretty successful he was fine with sitting back and letting them take care of themselves.

DJExile posted:

Yeah the East is Pens/Caps well above the rest right now. I'd want no part of playing Washington.

I like to think the Rangers could surprise if they either magically found a great deal for a defenseman, or Girardi suffered a season ending injury and somehow everyone clicked and started playing out of their minds on the blueline.

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Sep 30, 2005

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Sharks Eat Bear posted:

for sure, the way things are going i think NYR, CBJ or maybe even (!!!) NYI could surprise and pull off upsets, but that's the point -- they'd be surprise upsets, given how good WSH and PIT look right now

hell, it's the playoffs so anything can happen -- maybe even a team from the atlantic could advance to the SCF lmao

Only if the Caps and Pens pummel each other to mutual death (watch the loving red wings somehow get in and meander their way to the finals)

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Sep 30, 2005

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CBJSprague24 posted:

Jackets have slumped recently, but I have faith that Torts/Shaw/Larsen/McCudden can figure out how to get it fixed in 29 games. They'll be in, it's just a matter of where and how long wind up lasting.

And the fact I'm typing that last sentence this season still blows my mind.


Caps aren't going to score 5-6 goals per game the rest of the way.

This article (looks like it's from a Caps blog) talks about how Henrik Zetterberg compared the CBJ and Caps and gives the CBJ the "harder to play against" tag, also talking about how it's no cake walk to the finish for the Caps: http://www.russianmachineneverbreak...n-the-capitals/

Not reading the article because I'm lazy but Columbus seems like a team that's hard to play against because they keep coming at you and are physical alogn with being pretty good. The Caps are a more skilled and better team but it's not like they're beating the poo poo out of you and making things tough while they're winning the games like the BlueJackets do

I mean some good player I don't remember who said Dan Girardi is one of the tougher defensemen to play against and we know Girardi is pretty bad now, but the point is that he'd lock all those shots and make play a pretty tough nosed game which can be rougher to play against even if you overall are probably going to score more goals on him.

e: I could be misremembering that because it's unfathomable to think of Dan Girardi as tough to play against but

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Sep 30, 2005

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AsInHowe posted:

Kraft didn't come into a dead city and spent decades bringing it back like Ilitch did.

Detroit is back (baby)?

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Sep 30, 2005

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That should be a 10 game suspension but "NHL"

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Sep 30, 2005

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https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/830942725520322560

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Sep 30, 2005

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Kale posted:

Another Grade A effort at losing 4-0 by the Habs. That's apparently the goal now

Sounds like Carey Price just isn't getting the job done and letting the team down

e: If Boston trades Krug or Carlo for Landeskog that'd be pretty funny

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Sep 30, 2005

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Martytoof posted:

I've made my peace with the Subban debacle, and I legitimately am happy we have Weber so I'm not even going to go down that route.

Aside from potential, the only thing I was pretty confident about with PK was that he would be a Hab for a long long time (given his choice). Weber I can see loving off back to Nashville or testing the market. At least that's the impression that I get. I'm sure I could be wrong and Subban could have chased a paycheck too, but he seemed to legitimately love Montreal.

Wait now I'm angry again. Great.

Uh, considering for how long and for how much both guys are signed for I don't think worrying about whether they would re-up with Montreal should have been a concern in any way?

I mean Weber is 31 and signed through the 2025-2026 season I think you probably want him loving back off to Nashville if he's still determined to play at that point!

AND PK already chased the money when he got Montreal to sign him to the biggest cap hit for a defenseman in the NHL and second richest contract for a defenseman in the NHL (the first being, of course, Shea Weber).

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Sep 30, 2005

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Hartnell just got hosed up

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Sep 30, 2005

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hilarious

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Sep 30, 2005

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Schlesische posted:

The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to.

In Australia, the AFL has a hard salary cap on players and a soft salary cap on "football spending", that might be a solution that stops it from getting out of hand, but it's not really necessary at this point imho.

Apparently the Rangers are the most valuable team in the NHL though I wonder how of that is because of the lovely Canadian dollar

I think it's like Montreal, Toronto, the Rangers and Boston that make the bulk of revenue by far in the NHL

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Sep 30, 2005

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PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Honestly I think he's just having a down year. Dude is only 34 and plays a great 2 way game. He's still got 3-4 productive years in this league left.

Lots of criticism right now that he's overpaid but I'll throw up the usual reminder that NHL contracts pay for past performance, and pleks has been a solid part of the team for a decade.

In short, <3

only 34? most players are definitely declining at that age

not that he's going to be useless or something but a "down year" probably isn't quite an accurate description

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