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Lastgirl posted:CHARLATAN~ Even better https://twitter.com/chickenpaprika/status/828938172348264449
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BexGu posted:The problem is that Milo is very experienced with live show/interview/round table discussions so it would take some one with a decent amount of data/facts/research and a personality to really show him up. Milo lives on running circles around people that are either unprepared, thinking their the smartest person in the room and/or believe their cause is so just and right that no person could possible think otherwise. He's been able to run circles around people who are making bad points that have been around for a long time by either refuting things properly(like the wage gap stuff) or by reasonably poopooing the perspective the other person is arguing from. I don't recall him losing any serious arguments, and it's probably because he picks his battles and goes for things that have pretty soundly been won by other people already with him just reiterating points. I don't expect that we'll see him get trounced by anyone because he's not likely to argue a position that would be easily refuted in the first place. As people have said his religious views are his only real "weak point" and on that he's pretty much just said "it's messy/I'm still working it out" so it's not like people can really get him on that, either.
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Apparently Milo's book got cancelled after people started using a clip of him on a podcast to suggest he's pretty much a nambla member. https://twitter.com/AdamRothberg/status/833800857762295808 Dude isn't verified on twitter but apparently works for the publisher and has lots of old tweets about stuff they're doing so I assume it's legit. Some of the articles about it even tried to cite his making a joke about catholic child abuse(something like "I'm very thankful for father michael, I wouldn't be nearly as good at giving head without his help") as if he was serious, and so did one of the guys in the podcast he was in. I recall seeing/listening to the podcast and iirc the topic of discussion was one of the boyfriends he had in his mid-teens(16-17) and his saying that at 14 he was one of those people that actively sought out sexual relationships, though the latter might have been on the Joe Rogan podcast, where I think he said the age of consent in the UK and US is generally in a pretty good place but there are people below it who know what they're getting themselves into and are emotionally ready. That's the sort of thing he's talking about when he talks about arbitrary cutoffs for consent, and the example he relates to when talking about a "younger boy" with an "older man" is when he was banging a drag queen at 17. Expect tears from all sides in the coming days I guess?
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FuzzySkinner posted:NOW LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS: IF MILO INDEED HAD RELATIONS WITH A MINOR, LOOKED AT PORN OF A MNOR OR SAW SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AND SAID NOTHING? gently caress HIM, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THAT. THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. I think he'd said something about a Hollywood party filled with twinks.
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The backstory here for anyone wondering is that the guy is an Indonesian artist who was working for Marvel, but did things like sneak in references to the Quran about not trusting the Jews or Christians into the comic, as well as reference protests in his home country where muslims were protesting a Christian governor accused of blasphemy for quoting the Quran. After things blew up he got an invitation to go hang out with Islamists which he accepted and posted a picture of the meeting on facebook and in interviews said stuff like "I tried to tell my side of the story, but Marvel is owned by Disney. When Jews are offended, there is no mercy".
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Yes they shitcanned him, he declared his career to be over and warned other people to be more careful about making the same mistakes he did(seemingly not in an apologetic way), and they've taken to editing the digital version of the comic to remove the references while the paper copies have started showing up on ebay where they're more expensive than the variant covers, and apparently the last edition of the comic the guy did has had orders spike as well. One odd change they made was the way things were lined up in the background, where someone was swinging a bat and in the background was a jewish character.  https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/15/marvel-comics-amend-ardian-syafs-artwork-x-men-gold-1-adding-grocery/
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mysterious frankie posted:"It's not my job to educate you!" shouted the person who just entered the conversation uninvited in order to tell strangers what to think. That clown Suey Park pulled that poo poo when given the opportunity to explain the point she was making in an interview after the guy said he wasn't minimalising her opinions or saying she didn't have a right to them but that her saying all of this after misunderstanding satire made it a stupid opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNK-e6nnFGY&t=290s She kicked up a stink in response to a tweet from @StephenColbert(which, while verified, wasn't his personal account or one controlled by the show, so it might have been a network run thing?) during the Redskins stuff that was in the news a couple of years.  She also said, when asked what she wanted to achieve with #cancelcolbert, that it was a loaded question and seemed like she was on the defensive from the start. This segment came out of the whole stink which was pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBPgXjkfBXM
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:yeah but excluding facebook games and that kinda stuff just leads into the stinking abyss of "who's the real gamer For the most part I'd say it's worth considering them to be different from what people normally consider videogames to be in the sense that people seem to have different expectations of them and habits, mobile games have generally been a very low barrier to entry way to kill short amounts of time rather than something people have played to get engrossed in(not to say there aren't any hardcore grandmas who play the poo poo out of farmville). The low barrier to entry aspect is I think an important one as well, because as consumers they're generally not buying the hardware so they can play games, and they're rarely buying the software in any sense either(2.2% of players spend money, 10% of those spenders(i.e. about .2% of the total) account for almost half total spending). When talking about demographics, mobile and browser games were never bundled in with "traditional" videogames by the games industry or media because they're rightfully completely separate groups, they only started being bundled together when someone thought they could make a (wrong)point about how girls are just as into videogames as boys are(Wii U e-shop numbers put them at like 7%, and Steam has about 4%(where gender is known)according to google's analytics). The "casual" or "mobile/facebook" label for games as well as not bundling them in with non-casual/mobile/facebook has always seemed like sufficient differentiation to me, I think the "real games" debate should mostly be about things like "walking simulators".
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rudatron posted:As long as it's neat, tidy & presentable, it shouldn't be a problem, and braiding is fine imo. The only reason you'd pass this policy is if you think braiding is necessarily 'ghetto' or whatever, but that's not true, or rather, it's only true because black people have been shoved into ghettos.   It's because of hair extensions, not because they're braided, people are crying racism because black girls are more likely to get a weave than white girls. Source: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...1QMP/story.html edit: The thing the school isn't being consistent on is kids that colour their hair, which I imagine is because it involved getting their hair dyed again to correct rather than taking something out, but they apparently only started actually enforcing this sort of stuff after spring break so it might just be some inconsistency as they finally start enforcing their policies. lohli has issued a correction as of 08:42 on May 13, 2017 |
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Bill Maher's thing was funny, the Trumphead thing was not, the only funny thing about the trumphead stuff was how many of the people handwringing with glee over his kid freaking out thinking it was real were the safe-space/trigger-warning social justicey types. I think it's pretty great that while Trump is being accused of being a Russian plant, so many of the people that turn up to "protest" him or his fans(or anyone they accuse of being fans) seem to be unironic (usually anarcho-)communists.
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It's supposed to be handed out to people who are actually noteworthy like celebrities, journalists, or other figures of public importance. IIRC lowtax failed to convince them he deserved one. 
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Byolante posted:Do all woke idpollers have negaverse counterparts like Arthur Chu and Ian Miles Cheong? Cheong was a woke idpoller, so maybe it's a case of identifying which wokes match together and then we can place bets on which of the pair will defect?
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HIJK posted:WHAT I think this is about when he arranged to meet(and pay) someone who he thought to be underaged and was being "sold to the highest bidder for the night", turned out the person was not underaged(18 I think?), and even though he thought the person might be he didn't alert police. So he sent $2,000, got on a plane after not telling anyone what he was doing, and didn't disclose that he was a reporter until really late on, then he said he wanted to write a story about him and then asked for the money back.  From: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2007/03/eichenwalds_weird_checkbook_journalism.html But also in that article is this:  Given that little snippet, I assume he has a reputation for doing good work exposing child abusers(including what he did eventually write with the berry kid), so it might not be that he was actually trying to buy action with a suspected minor and was instead very very stupid about everything.
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an actual dog posted:imagine being kurt eichenwald's wife and having to cover for increasingly ludicrous lies because of your husband's twitter habits. I imagine he'd handle it the same way he's handled everything other time he's been called out on something and threaten to sue her for not admitting to being the driving force behind a venture to determine once and for all whether or not cartoon tentacle sex really exists.
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whomupclicklike posted:How does Kurt keep getting work He won fairly prestigious awards before watching child pornography for his research. And he won an ethics award the year after paying $2k for what he thought was a child being auctioned off. 
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:yes, it is ok to play video games. also just imagine how mad people will be that you like different games then they do. We need to gas anyone who doesn't like the stuff I like. Also if someone likes stuff I like but likes it in a different way then gas them twice.
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get that OUT of my face posted:i thought that "kek" was a brazilian spin on "lol," not korean Brazilians and "kek"/"kekeke" is about their tendency to flock to and poo poo up the english versions of free to play MMO games, it's use is rooted in the korean starcraft zerg rush stuff. ate poo poo on live tv posted:Wait I thought that was the White Power Symbol That picture was from a /pol/ thread where they talked about the mainstream media being so eager to see nazis everywhere that turning innocuous things into "hate" symbols was trivial, and because Trump makes the sign constantly(good little video about his body language) his fans have made a thing out of it, too. Which is why you had poo poo like conservative/alt-right journalists(one of them half Puerto Rican) being accused of flashing "White Power" signs in the White House.
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SickZip posted:He left a million references across the internet about supporting Bernie, hating Hillary, and with a couple positive but overwhelmingly negative references to Trump. Dude was a nutcase who was allover the place, politically, it's really dumb for anyone to try to broadly tie him to any group as if they're responsible for his twattery. He was part of a group of (probably )racist viking larpers, talked about wanting to kill whichever of Trump or Clinton got elected, as well as anyone who voted, was obsessed with self-identifying with nihilism, and wanted to Balkanize the USA along racial separatist and religious lines while also claiming he wasn't a racist and loved his vietnamese family members, but was also staunchly anti-religious, and on his facebook page(which is still up) constantly posted poo poo like this:   He's an idiot edgelord who thought it was his duty to be as inappropriate as possible at all times
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, he is a edgy /pol/ tard with edgy ideas and beliefs and enough mental illness/hosed upness to act on them. The edgy /pol/tard bit can't be stated enough, I've bumped into a few people who's 4chan browsing experience was mostly reading /pol/ or /b/ for years and they've taken the sort of poo poo that you would expect to be posted as politically incorrect jokes to heart(though these days pol seem a lot more sincere about what they're saying), if they had just run around shouting "Gas the kikes, race war now!" to rile someone up it would have been obvious they were playing up the old politically incorrect memes that had been around for years but these people were dysfunctionally obsessed with being edgy pseudointellectuals who tried(and failed) to rationalize their compulsive inability to be civil as somehow right and just to the extent that they were unlikable and intolerable. If they didn't get thrown out of a group for being annoying shits, people would abandon the group because they were that bad.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/878417673264087040 Taintrunner posted:the Dems want your ma to die of treatable conditions Did either of you read any more than just tweet summarising things?  tl:dr - "You haven't addressed, by your own admission, how to pay for or actually deliver healthcare, but you still have a year to get this through"
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comedyblissoption posted:lol if you buy this bullshit Jimmy is usually pretty good but he went on a rant berating the speaker for not having a plan to fund the legislation that someone else wrote. steinrokkan posted:I have never heard of a successful bill that wasn't perfectly drafted with contingencies for all possible situations. If there is one area where half assing stuff won't fly, it's the legislature. I think here it's less that something isn't completely watertight so much as having a giant gaping hole or two in it. Their plan is to try to get waivers for all federal healthcare funding(like medicare and federal matching programs) that allows them to redirect it into a trust fund used to try to pay for everyone, and to make part of the legislation "We're assuming they'll let us do that, and we'll try to work out a real revenue plan later". quote:(2) It is the intent of the Legislature for the state to work to obtain waivers and other approvals relating to Medi-Cal, the state’s Children’s Health Insurance Program, Medicare, the PPACA, and any other federal programs so that any federal funds and other subsidies that would otherwise be paid to the State of California, Californians, and health care providers would be paid by the federal government to the State of California and deposited in the Healthy California Trust Fund. quote:Article 3. Healthy California Financing
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the trump tutelage posted:"We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable." This is about fatherless families getting support from the community but the way it's phrased makes it seem like they're talking about the disintegration of the black family somehow being almost an intended act of rejecting of western norms. I imagine these people are part of some kind of black communist/socialist group.
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Crane Fist posted:Moderation and compromise got you Donald Trump as President The DNC being intent on pushing a candidate that was hated(with good reason) and also ran a disastrous campaign is why Trump won.
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Crane Fist posted:the main message of which is the whole police murders thing. If he's not interested in genderqueering that's fine, because that's not the message BLM is fighting for. It's incidental. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/07/04/black-lives-matter-protesters-disrupt-toronto-pride-parade-claim-event-is-anti-black/ https://twitter.com/BLM_TO/status/749696130003468288 https://twitter.com/BLM_TO/status/749690247974301696 BLM don't seem to be so much about protesting police brutality as being just broadly anti-police, and looking at stuff like the Clinton encounter they strike me more as black separatists/segregationists than folks who want real redress, they also seem happy to slander groups and events as being racist/anti-black if they do things like let the police be involved. These aren't really sympathetic stances to most people, I don't even think that the people who went on the initial protests that made the BLM name well known would support that sort of poo poo either.
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FuzzySkinner posted:But the online presence of guys like Richard Spencer? Yep. That's something I'm VERY disappointed to see being relevant. Spencer had been doing his lovely little gatherings of idiot racists for years, he'd have idiots from allover the world come to his event and could only attract a couple hundred attendees, they'd get a couple of big-name racists or some other brand of idiot from Europe and the rest would be regular American schlubs, nobody gave a gently caress because they're idiots not worth paying attention to. The anti-trump news outlets latched onto his lovely event calling him the racist leader of the alt-right(after years of the left calling everyone racist) and gave him so much publicity that he became known internationally, which was a loving retarded thing to do given what has been happening in Europe for years, where people have flocked to the genuine far-right because the mainstream political parties weren't addressing or even acknowledging problems of immigration and integration. You're going to have a bunch of people who have an almost militantly defensive attitude with regards to what they perceive as an anti-white sentiment as well as other related stuff like immigration, who may well say they don't hate the blacks or browns, and of the new people who are getting into this poo poo I think most may indeed mean it, but they'll surely get onboard with the sentiment of "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.". The state of US politics was already pushing people towards this sort of extreme poo poo, folks were in enough danger of finding the narrative of actual racists attractive, and the media basically lit a beacon for them to flock to and a banner to fly under, where they could not only get validation and consolation over their concerns but where they could get radicalised.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/aletweetsnews/s...r%3D5372%23pti8 HIJK posted:The alt right came into being because the leftists refused to retrain the worst of SJWism and the like. The pendulum is swinging back and there's nothing that can stop that now. Sort of. The sorts of guys in the twitter video are the sorts of idiot white supremacists who have been around for a very very long time and think that this is their moment to get white nationalism off the ground. This big rally that some people are freaking out about is, again, a couple hundred idiot racists. Incredibly underwhelming for what is supposed to be a grand showing that launches the broader white nationalist movement into the mainstream. Dapper_Swindler posted:pretty much. gamergate was the loving warning sign and the wokes hosed up in handling badly, if they had been smarter the poo poo would have died in its crib. but shitfucks like milo and cernovich and others saw there chance to get recruits and they got them. i doubt it would have stopped it but it may have delayed it a bit. 
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Also more from the #unitetheright tard rally. I suppose Antifa should be commended for coming out against a target that is actually racist this time.. https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/896201536933695488 https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/896201754869673989 https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/896202475178528769 Oh wait they're still morons. And reactions to the failure of a rally are pretty retarded as well. https://twitter.com/ShaneStraw/status/896216197657751552 https://twitter.com/RealStreicher/status/896213315738796032 https://twitter.com/joseph_azam/status/896202740656992260 FuzzySkinner posted:my question is this. The left needs to just stop fuelling identity politics, even if it's in the pursuit of a noble goal, and crack down on the well intentioned lunacy on the left. The alt right and actual idiot racists are not as big a problem as the attention they're getting would have you think, this failure of a march I think should be reassuring proof of that, but the crazyness of the left is the sort of thing that can actually push enough people towards extreme views that white nationalist groups can grow rather than remaining pathetically stagnant.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I agree with the alt right though. I think what would have ultimately made milo's speech at berkley ultimately meaningless would have been to let him speak to little to no fanfare. Perhaps even hosting an alternative speaker across campus on a topic that responds to his discussion without acknowledging he even exists. The one point Milo kept reiterating was that the insane reaction to his presence was reason for him to keep on going, because they would drum up huge amounts of publicity for him while proving him right about the state of the modern social justice crowd and anywhere they had influence.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUrTMmtHbo& I think they only feel empowered because this "alt-right" poo poo is getting a lot of attention and because the alt-right has been broadly branded racist, even though it's mostly seemed to /pol/ types posting stupid poo poo about Pepe, legit white nationalists think they are more popular than they really are. There was a video from Mic about the gathering where people were worried because it could be the biggest gathering of white nationalists in a decade, it was being lauded as some kind of unprecedented coming together of different white nationalist groups, and that there might be as many as a thousand of them(pathetically small anyway) converging on the city, from all the pictures and video it looks like they got nowhere near that. And it was thought the counter-protesters were going to bring hundreds of people along and hardly anybody turned up, all of this poo poo has been blown way out of proportion. When milo was still doing his talks and being asked about what the alt-right is, his answer seemed to describe the /pol/ types who spend a lot of time shitposting and trolling, and young conservatives who just don't fit the mould of mainstream conservatism. It wasn't until the mainstream media learned about Spencer that it got cemented as some kind hardcore racist label, and it's hard to say whether or not the "real" alt-right hates him because it's hard to pin down what the "real" alt-right even is. There is so much lovely information out there with so many people calling everyone alt-right or racist as a way of disengaging from a debate they don't want to have that the label is basically pointless. Also, have some twitter wisdom: https://twitter.com/iRideWraiths/status/896418678576750592 lohli has issued a correction as of 18:26 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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HIJK posted:Wait so the protest in Charlotsville was only 150 people? That seems pretty small. Police were expecting thousands, news media were expecting upto 1000, pictures look like maybe 200ish from the white supremacist camp were on the torch march, they were apparently expecting hundreds of protesters but apparently only like 20 showed up for the big nighttime thing. Lots more people the next morning though, and someone drove through a crowd of anti-racism protestors.  edit: 1 dead in the car attack, 3 fatalities listed for the whole event, but I think 2 of those are from a nearby helicopter crash? the trump tutelage posted:It doesn't help that any venue that advertises itself as being pro-free speech or pro-rational discussion is invariably flooded by the dregs. This is partly because those are the people that were deliberately ousted from youtube/twitter/reddit or wherever, and other people that have their issues with whichever monopoly of a platform aren't going to decide to abandon it for a lovely imitation populated almost entirely by annoying trumpites.
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Hodgepodge posted:yeah, this was their line going into this on the people who actually stood up and did something: FuzzySkinner posted:It makes me feel all the more disgusted I saw these people smeared. I don't have any problems with actual protests against whatever group, but talking about the violent left is about the antifa shitheads who claim they're fighting fascism when they go out to start fights and burn poo poo down, which is literally the exact reason people have started turning up to protests with shields and weapons of various sorts of their own. Turns out that months of people turning up to events or protests and attacking anyone they disagreed with escalated things a little, who would have thought?! I've skimmed the actual article and while it gets a few small but important things wrong it's worth actually reading, especially given your responses to it. FuzzySkinner posted:Here they are, the idiot lanyard/blue checkmark upperclass libs finger wagging at the very people who were actually protecting minorities, lgbt, and others from a hoard of nazi's. 3 of them lost their loving lives. From pictures it seems like regular decent protesters showed up in big numbers Saturday, which is who was probably mostly affected by the car incident(especially since the guy didn't just have his head caved in), I'd definitely have less sympathy if it was antifa reaping what they had sown.
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