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Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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kidcoelacanth posted:

The biggest problem with the race points is that they penalize poor finishes more than they reward good ones, so making lower positions closer in points payout means that you're screwed less for blowing an engine or whatever

Maybe they should go with a points system that makes passing for the top positions worth more than lower ones. Something like 5 points for each spot you move up through the top 5, 4 points for 6-10, and 3 points for any spot below that.

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Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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If you're actually down at the track, sure. For prerace at home, no one cares

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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I've been meaning to post this but kept forgetting. Didn't we have better thread title ideas than this one? Or could we make a better one?

-NASCAR 2017: 50% less horse racing
-NASCAR 2017: No joker laps, just joker executives
-NASCAR 2017: Alternative points

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2017/2/8/nascar-damaged-vehicle-policy-update-2017.html

quote:

Under the guidelines, teams no longer will be allowed to replace damaged body parts that are the result of accidents or contact. Repairs, such as fixing damaged sheet metal, will be allowed; however, teams will be given five minutes to fix damage once they enter pit road. If the damage requires the car to go behind pit wall or to the garage for repairs, the car will not be allowed to return to the race. Also, if the repairs take longer than the five minutes allowed, the car will not be permitted to return to the race.

I can't wait til we hit a track that Goodyear brings a hosed up tire and half the field has to retire because of this.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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All the rule changes just fuel us to point out all the reversals from things that worked in the past. They'd really do well to take caution to pay attention to what made the sport big in the first place 30-40 years ago and chase after that. Especially since they're nuts to think they're going to get the same casual journeyman audience they had in the past, they need to just pit that idea to one side. They have these panels they're supposedly taking information from, if they have a bad set of folks there giving ideas, maybe that's part of the problem. Or maybe it's just completely that they have a pole up their tailpipe, either way all the changes are becoming exhausting. Obviously they need someone better qualified or they'll be sent to the end of the line for TV coverage again. And that's not a problem that's going to just blowover easily.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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tater_salad posted:

By the way I have discovered my 2017 Nascar wish.

Jr wins all races except the last one losing the championship, because he gets DQd for his body repairs taking longer than 5 min.

More realistically, and just as effective at making a joke of NASCAR: Johnson will go on a tear this season, winning at least 7, maybe as many as 11 or 12 races, cruise through the chase playoffs, and then end up 4th.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Just for reference.

2016 bonus points available for taking into round one of chase: 48
2017 bonus points available for taking into EVERY round of the chase: 112 (+21 more each round)

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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CBJSprague24 posted:

You guys want some more changes to go with your changes? HAVE SOME MORE CHANGES! A NEW PENALTY STRUCTURE!:


http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2017/2/16/nascar-announces-new-deterrence-penalty-policy.html

They just can't stop tinkering.

"No mans land...Use of telemetry"

I have never understood this.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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So, is there going to be someone else in the 16 car for the rest of the year, or is this probably more likely Roush failing to get sponsors and telling Biffle to go be a fall guy?

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Either I somehow completely missed that, or didn't give a poo poo because lol Biffle

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Throwing poo poo at the wall, to see what sticks
More changes to mock, because we're dicks
There's only one way to find the fix
Remember your core fanbase are all hicks

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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DEMAG posted:

Love media day.


A Song of Airlines and Chicken

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Why not just remove the 5 minute clock, give them the duration of the yellow flag, and if they can't meet min speed when green is back out, THEN they are DQ'd. It would accomplish the same.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Eh, less that and more just typical NASCAR coverage. If you're not blowing them with every other sentence, they'll pull your passes.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Turdsdown Tom posted:

Would it be a colossally retarded thing to say that part of the reason NASCAR lost its appeal is due to how heavy-handed they were in making everything ultra safe after Earnhardt's crash?

For the most part, yes it would. The three key aspects of safety since then are the walls, HANS, and larger cars, only the last of which has any impact on racing quality to any degree. The initial COT was total garbage and really ramped up aero grip over mechanical, but they have been fixing that slowly. The NHMS plate attempt was atrocious in almost every way, but for the most part the safety steps are not why the racing dropped off a cliff.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Remove Yellow flags, crashed cars and parts become obstacles to avoid for the race. Monster would love it

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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SPiTZ posted:

I think we need more than 39 cars for a true enduro race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiE7zp6DCaY&t=17s

NASCAR wants cheaper, that'd fit the bill

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Gotta make up that $80 million gap for the title sponsor somehow.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Elitist Bitch posted:

Well, we grew up in different eras and geographic areas, but IMO if you punch someone your argument is automatically lost. I still very much believe that. I do think they may have done better by going their separate ways and discussing things on Thursday or Friday. Time has a good way of cooling things off.

Yeah, but this is NASCAR we're talking about, they don't give a poo poo. See also JWT/SRA getting the same punishment, despite only one going completely insane. So someone comes up to you, you better fire first and make it count, it's the same punishment either way.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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A copy/paste "press release" of two sentences does not add up to even a single poo poo.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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daslog posted:

They did pull sponsorship for 2 races back in 2011 when Kyle pulled similar poo poo.

Are you being serious? On what planet is even actually cold cocking a dude even remotely the same as this? :stare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDZ_xwJR6b4

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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I only really watch SRA and GMS anymore. Have not watched a single Cup race this year including Daytona, though mostly because I was on a plane flight for the entire race.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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That was nice of Harvick to gift Johnson the lead

And apparently everyone but Larson

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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WindyMan posted:

- NASCAR updated the cars (COT), the tracks (SAFER barriers) and caution procedures (lucky dog, debris) to make the racing safer. The issues with the cars was something that could be worked out, but the abundance of safety for cautions was probably the main reason the racing became more boring.

These were all good things and outside of people who like to see others get hurt, I see no argument against the procedural changes. The problem with the COT wasn't the larger car, it was the near total removal of mechanical grip. They're still running with the COT, but this latest version finally put mechanical grip far more as it's function.

- The large and (apparently) growing fanbase reaped big money for NASCAR's TV deal. But then FOX and the others (but mostly FOX) had to go and gently caress over the casual TV viewer with wall-to-wall ads on every broadcast. This would have been tolerable if the racing was great, but because it usually wasn't it became a chore to sit through it. It was (and still is) especially frustrating when commercials were cut into the parts of the races that were actually worth watching. And NASCAR wonders why TV ratings started declining? (This is where I started tuning out.)

Especially once they started routinely missing restarts, not coming back for cautions, and using side by side to do more commercials than they would otherwise. The "flag to flag coverage" and "side by side" suck even worse if you're military/stationed overseas, because AFN cannot show advertisements, so they just block those out completely and you end up seeing basically no race at all.

- The economic downturn prevented a lot of NASCAR's core fanbase from attending races in its main market. Attendance took a nosedive. Not NASCAR's fault, but simply a reality of the times. NASCAR could have done good here by focusing on its big, traditional races and its large, traditional fanbase. But no, it had to chase after new fans and new money in new markets, who have WAY more things to do than to watch NASCAR on Sundays.

Don't forget the prices didn't and still haven't changed except to go even higher too. We only go to one race a year, and that's mostly just because of pit passes and not having to buy a ticket for Saturday. (And because it's a plate race)

- With boring races that no one can afford to attend in person, and boring races that no one wanted to sit through ads to have to watch on TV, NASCAR switches to the Chase format. This worked in the short-term to generate interest, but then JJ started winning every goddamn year. This hurt the perception of competition, which is something that could have been fixed by focusing on the competition within individual races—that people couldn't afford to attend or didn't want to wait through commercials to see.

They got a bump from the casuals, their real fanbase hates the chase.

- Due to NASCAR's past mistakes, the generation of fans that came in with Smoke, Gordon, Dale Jr, and Jimmy will be leaving with them. Through the last 20 years NASCAR and their TV partners were focusing on chasing money instead of laying the groundwork to see traditional markets through to the next generations and getting good drivers up through their ladder system more quickly. Now NASCAR is in a bad place where they need to convince a generation of distant fans that these drivers they haven't really heard of will produce good racing, provided you can solve the points system they're racing under.

More related to this is that the new guys coming in have been stripped of personality at all. Really who's left that's usually a fun interview? Harvick, either Busch.....and I can't think of any others?

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Chase: Kill it

Points: More points per position for top 5 and top 10 like it used to be, maybe 5 points per position for 1-5, 3 points for 6-10, 2 points for 11-20 and 1 for 21-30, gently caress below 30th.

For races, maybe more like 100 miles for trucks, 200 for 2nd tier, 300 for cup, with exceptions for Daytona, Charlotte, keep Bristol/Martinsville 500 laps. Stages are good, also makes the bonus points mean something (obviously killing the chase removes the bonus bonus points for winning)

More short tracks. Short tracks own. Super hot take: Kill Indy, go to IRP instead.

Add another road course, or replace Sonoma, the tracks the trucks and 2nd tier go to are better than it.

Just in general, unfuck the schedule. Too lazy to check, but isn't it like 20 of the races are 1.5 cookie cutters?

To address some of the other points

Remove trucks? Remove yourself from this thread.

Reduce the stands? Why? This only makes cost of attending MORE expensive.

Remove official sponsors. This would be better long term for NASCAR, but would be disastrous short term, should happen, won't until they go bankrupt.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Fauxhawk Express posted:

Is this really a hot take? I'm from Indy and most fans I know hate NASCAR at the Speedway and would love this.

Pretty sure if you had any media credentials, they'd be removed and you'd be barred from future passes if you attempted to suggest that and NASCAR got wind of it.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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kidcoelacanth posted:

I just need to know if they're gonna paint the walls neon green this year.

Black and green is what Monster wants

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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von Manstein posted:

It's almost Talladega Time!



And it's cold and wet in May. I guess extra time for garage shenanigans at least

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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L_Harrison posted:

Don't forget the ARCA hilarity on today at 6pm est.

It is pissing rain, they already moved it

CannonFodder posted:

The Talledega RV park was filled up nicely Thursday night, and still active at 1am when I drove past on I 20.

There were people there on Tuesday night, just not nearly as many.

Garage area was pretty empty compared to usual, but weather was/is pretty bad

Slickdrac fucked around with this message at 21:48 on May 5, 2017

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Even the big teams in the garage hate stage racing at plate tracks. All the drivers were down in the garage calling for its head.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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dentist toy box posted:

It's nice Nascar doesn't even realize what fans do during a race.

Well they're certainly not sitting in the stands.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Wrecks like that are exactly why you should be called an idiot if you think the core concept of the COT was a bad idea.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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kidcoelacanth posted:

Just catching up on the whole race now, yikes that wreck. I guess there's no word on Almirola yet?

https://twitter.com/RPMReport/status/863605983188103168

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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600 to be done in 4 stages, because more commercials.

http://www.nascar.com/news-media/2017/05/15/charlotte-coca-cola-600-to-be-run-with-four-stages/?linkId=100000000394337

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Even discounting the unknown amounts of hidden injuries, I recall it being fairly routine drivers racing with injuries that were of the type that made announcers act shocked they were still racing through the 90s.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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FSGo is literally advertising an escort service during breaks in their NASCAR segments.

But weed is bad kids.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Boomer The Cannon posted:

That race sucked. Smoke didn't even bother showing up:

https://twitter.com/Damein_DC/status/866087557007892480

Is the answer manslaughter?

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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Don't forget, they're also using a tall spoiler and splitter there as well for Xfinity.

And the why is for "Competition"

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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NASCAR 2017: PYF Oval/Road course tracks

Don't forget Monza has a beast of an oval track as well. Though I don't think anything runs on it anymore.

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Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

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I could go either way on a shorter season, but at the very least, wipe out most or all of the repeat tracks, bring in some new ones. Preferably actual road courses (Montreal was always great)

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