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je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

The_Rob posted:

There’s also no way you can even objectively come to the conclusion that some form of media contributed to something bad that happened in the first place and it’s silly to act like that’s a real thing.

There are a couple of data points that one could point to as being media influenced (such as a huge uptick in paleontology makers following the release of Jurrasic Park, a huge uptick in forensics majors after CSI became a breakout hit)

But the main concern in the 80s and 90s was that bad media would make the youth more violent and/or imitate risky sexual behaviors. The first was easy to dismiss since youth violence has been dropping across the board for the past 30 years. The idea that a teen might get a girl pregnant because pop culture told him he's not a man unless he has sex is a bit more plausible. But no, today's youth is having less sex than previous generations and teen pregnancy rates are also way down. That, and the rate of sex crimes has gone down in nearly every country as porn become more accessible.

Other than that, we know that mental health issues and suicide rates have been steadily increasing since 2007 (even among klds), which we can only speculate is due to increased access to social media and the internet.

IMO if the media can foster anti-social attitudes in young people, the types of media they consume seems less relevant than whether or not it causes them to isolate themselves from all IRL social connections, and only interacting with communities that share their exact opinions and outlooks. Which is why we see the fans of more "wholesome" properties (Steven Universe, MLP, boy bands, etc) also sending death threats over the internet

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je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015
We can expect a Simpson's cryptocoin plotline by about 2025

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

are mail-order wifes still a thing?

Probably, except it all occurs over the internet. The only proper outcome to that storyline is comic book guy getting robbed blind and forever swearing off "real" romance in favor of donating to twitch thots.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Das Boo posted:

I remember watching original Scooby Doos as a 4 year-old in 1992 and becoming wise to the fact that I was never going to see a "real" monster in this show. As a horror-obsessed tot, this frustrated me and I swore off the show until a friend brought over a VHS copy of Zombie Island. I felt so justified.

It did make me a 90's child privy to 70's celebrities, for better or worse.

All of my knowledge of golden-age hollywood celebs comes from Merry Melodies impersonations

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

New Yorp New Yorp posted:

The problem is that the early 2000s sucked. There's nothing interesting or iconic about the fashion, music, or sociopolitical environment. I was a late teen / early 20s kid during that era. There's nothing I'm nostalgic about aside from that being before I was a balding middle age guy with a bad back.

True, but the 80s began and ended with recessions and crime rates were 3x higher than in the 2000s. Wholesome family sitcoms remained dominant then because people sought TV as a form of escapism, to see what their real lives were missing.

But when the Simpsons debuted it was the first mainstream animated series to say even tame cuss words like "drat", Bart was an overnight rebel icon for kids and president Bush sr himself named the Simpsons as an example of decaying family values

That was just the start of the 90s, but by the end of the 90s there were even edgier cartoons taking off, the wholesome family sitcom was dead and replaced with Malcolm in the Middle. Dysfunctional TV families became the new standard and the Simpsons remained as a parody of a genre that no longer existed

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Empty Sandwich posted:

did you guys just not grow up watching Looney Tunes or what

They were still being rerun in the 90s. The original theatricals were great and still hold up, but even as a 9-year old I remember realizing that the ones made in the late 60s and 70s were garbage

Data Graham posted:

It's like how you only remember the good SNL sketches. 80% of them were dire

(and even the good ones, more often than not "the one joke" just happened to hit right)

People fondly remember that Night at the Roxbury sketch, they don't remember the other 6 they did without Jim Carrey and no new jokes to add.

Will Ferrell was kinda funny in that cheerleader sketch, so they did 12 of them.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Cocaine Bear posted:

Let's do Doug next.

I didn't care for it at the time but I was still content to watch it as a kid when nothing else was on. It felt too vanilla and moral compared to the edginess and gross-out humor that was all the rage in the 90s, which is all I was into

As an adult I can somewhat appreciate what they were going for. Doug was self-centered, insecure and jealous at times which is entirely normal for a 6th grader and maybe kids should learn how to deal with those feelings. The problem is that few kids watching actually wanted to see themselves in Doug. He was lame in the way most middle-schoolers are. They wanted to relate to superheroes.

You Are A Elf posted:

Whenever this intro right here started while you were enjoying cartoons, it foretold what follows is going to be a lovely cartoon when you realize the same studio did "What's Opera, Doc?" only a decade prior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIllukZI9WM

Yep, this logo told me that we were in store for their B-material. Even the music sounded way cheaper, that is clearly not a full orchestra

je1 healthcare fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 7, 2023

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I mean, after Season 10 or so what the gently caress is left for DVD extras? Some guys going "durr yeah I wrote this thing, yeah" or some poo poo?

In the early seasons there's a lot of great stories about working with Conan and what Hitchcock film they're referencing.

By season 10 it's a lot of "we were experimenting" comments and more silence

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015
As a kid the only thing I found unbelievable about Krusty was that any sort of famous entertainer would live in a small town like Springfield. Or that Springfield would have their own TV station, because by the 90s the concept of local access TV was more antiquated than clowns. We always had cable so I assume that every TV in America got the same channels.

And while I had never even heard of North by Northwest, by the time I saw it in college I realized I had indirectly seen half the film. The cropduster scene alone was parodied in no less than 4 Simpsons episodes.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

The Moon Monster posted:

It's not uncommon for background characters in season 1. I think at some point they decided that hair shaped heads in lieu of actual hair was a Simpson only thing, with series stalwart Wendell grandfathered in.

True, also Homer's style of facial hair is exclusive to Homer. There was a pretty interesting vid about how they established their internal rules for character designs past the first season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iqdp77y_3c

je1 healthcare fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 28, 2023

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015
Those characters were also designed during the 1st season, although they did have a subplot planned where Krusty and Homer were the same person, an idea which got canned along with Marge's rabbit ears when it became clear they wouldn't be cancelled.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

SlothfulCobra posted:

It's not like it'd be unlike classic Simpsons to make fun of Barbie trying to be more representative, adult comedies often try to do scattershot satirization without really thinking through the details, but they wouldn't do it so lazily, or feel the need to make Lisa do it because she's the "smart" character.

They already made that joke into the full-length Lisa Lionheart episode.

Lisa was once written as a somewhat balanced character, she was academically precocious but still was fundamentally a child, with childish interests and impulses. It was comical when those two sides of her clashed.

A better joke wouldn't have been directed at the concept of a plus-sized Malibu Stacey doll, it would have been directed at Lisa for campaigning for one but then immediately forgetting about it once she got it. Or for doing to compensate for looking down on the plus-sized role models in her own community, or for failing to notice that she's still relying on a corporation to define beauty.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

This was pretty much their guidelines for it, verbatim, and I believe it. But it's just one of those things that normalizes violence and abuse, even if it was not their intention, that we are more conscious of avoiding now.

In fact, and not trying to turn the thread depressing here, it may have contributed to my idea growing up that dads being quick to anger and hitting you is just a common thing that is a part of life. Put me in the camp that while I did enjoy the strangling jokes in the past, I find them a little unpleasant now. I stand by that most of classic Simpsons holds up remarkably well, though.

It's only funny if it's uncommon, alien to one's life. My dad never got remotely violent so as a kid in only seemed like slapstick, something existing in cartoon world along with Homer firing a shotgun in the home when Lisa told him there was a boogeyman.

Despite the handwringing form social conservatives about Bart normalizing juvenile delinquency, youth violence rates plummeted as the 90s went on

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je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Data Graham posted:

2000 was kind of a cultural wasteland compared to 1969.

What do you mean? Professional wrestling was at a peak and the billboard charts were still covertly dominated by Swedish music factories. Plus there was the novelty of stamping "2000" on every new product and brand iteration!

The Archies and the Monkees were kind of early examples of label-assembled groups which peaked in the year 2000 and collapsed soon after.

Although I always recognized Archie comics, and Sugar Sugar as a song, I didn't realize the two were connected until youtube came around

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