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I think at least there should have been one assassin in the montage who looks at their phone and rolls their eyes or say "gently caress that" and just ignores the text altogether. .
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That's my favorite little bit of lore, it appears that everything in the world of The Continental costs one coin, no more, no less. I love the idea that a round of drinks is worth the same amount as a luxurious hotel room. After all, its not the specific thing that you're paying for, its the access and the discretion.. Edit: Also, goddamn Keanu looked like a legit Grim Reaper/Angel of Death when he was skulking around the catacombs in that suit at night.. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Feb 20, 2017 16:31
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Snowman_McK posted:They're more like what would happen if Johnnie To, Michael Mann (80s Mann) and peak (1992) John Woo all ran at each other really hard while Jean Pierre Melville watched. It's funny you mention Melville, I saw Le Samourai for the first time recently, and although it's a great movie I couldn't help but think how awesome it would have been to see at least one scene where Delon gets to go John Wick on a few guys.
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Feb 21, 2017 00:47
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It occurred to me watching that scene that he'd specifically left the knife in Common and told him "If you pull it out you'll bleed to death immediately" buy when he fought Rose he stabbed her in what looked to be the same place but then deliberately pulled the knife out. She dicked him around so she didn't get any professional courtesy extended to her. That's the way I saw it too, when she said "I'll be seeing you", Wick seemed to be almost rolling his eyes when he said "sure", as if he knew she was going to die. Who knows though, could go either way. Common will definitely be back though.
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Feb 21, 2017 16:55
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Tumble posted:For a movie with as ludicrous a mythos as it has, they actually manage to keep it fairly logical in it's motivational consistency. Along those lines, I liked that Wick shoots the target in the head even though she was already dead/dying, because it was the only way he could be sure he'd get credit for the kill. If she were found with just her wrists slashed maybe Santino would be able to call the marker unfulfilled. Filthy Hans posted:Ruby didn't die, she would have died in seconds from a severed aorta. Remember the golden rule of action movies: no one dies off-screen. When Wick pulls the knife out, its only like 5-10 seconds from that point to when he walks away, so I don't that's really anything definitive. You're right though, the door was left open enough that she could easily pop up again. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 20:55
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I actually may have misinterpreted that, not sure. I took it as Winston giving John a new marker as a gift, like "hey John, you're excommunicated and I can't do anything about that but I can give you this marker that you can use to save your rear end if you really need it" I figured it meant that at some point in part 3 Wick would have to call in the marker and Winston would have to help him.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:37
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The reason I thought Winston was personally giving a new marker to Wick was because of how seriously those markers are regarded by everyone affiliated with the Continental. So I saw it as Winston thinking up a way that he could help Wick at some point in the future without also betraying the rules of the Continental. If the High Table or whoever complains he can just say "Hey its not my fault, Wick had a marker on me, nothing I could do about it!".
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Feb 21, 2017 21:43
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NmareBfly posted:The weird thing to me is that a marker can apparently still be cashed in by someone who has been excommunicated. Shouldn't that render all past debts invalid? He's no longer part of the system. We don't know that, we're just speculating. But it wouldn't surprise me if the markers are handed out to anyone that the person deems deserving of one, for any reason. Like if you were walking down the street and saw John Wick about to get hit by a bus and you pushed him out of the way, maybe he'd give you a marker.
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Feb 22, 2017 00:11
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Lobok posted:Seems like markers are a general honour/contract thing among hitmen whereas excommunication is being kicked out of the Continental system. Maybe but Winston is the one who keeps the books on the markers, at least in his area, so they must be connected to the Continental in some way.
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Feb 22, 2017 00:24
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We don't know what excommunication really means yet. If it means that members of the Continental are forbidden from dealing with Wick in any way, that's a lot different than if he's just not allowed on Continental grounds anymore.
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Feb 22, 2017 03:10
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Clipperton posted:He's supposed to have a Highlander reboot coming up.. Yes please!
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Feb 22, 2017 17:17
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I wonder if there's a little more to the fact that "the manager is always in" than meets the eye. Like, is there some reason why Winston can't leave Continental grounds(except with a huge escort, as we see at the end)? Like he pissed off someone really powerful and he knows he wouldn't be safe anywhere except inside the Continental? I think there's decent chance Chapter 3 ends up being less about Winston helping Wick, and more about Wick deciding to come back to save Winton's rear end. I love how fun it is to nerd out over the world that exists in these movies.
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Feb 22, 2017 22:11
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ninjahedgehog posted:Didn't John Wick 1 already tell us exactly what the impossible task was? IIRC John met his wife and wanted out of the Mafiya, but Viggo would only release him if he killed every other mob boss except for him. I'm watching the first one again now and all he says is "the bodies he buried that day lay the foundation of what we are now". So its probably something along the lines of what you're saying but there's plenty of room for creative interpretation there.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:10
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The correct answer is in fact Fury Road, however The Raid, The Raid 2, or Dredd are right up there. It really has been a fantastic 5 years or so for action films, we've had a stone-cold classic like once a year.
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Feb 27, 2017 15:34
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OAquinas posted:Flipside: what sort of a mob boss would you look like if you gave in like that after your family (and Family) get attacked? Better to evac and go down swinging than look weak. That's kinda how I read the situation with Viggo in the first movie. He gives up his son's location because he's got a loaded gun in his face, but then once Wick kills him, Viggo couldn't just say "oh well, he deserved it". To allow someone, even John Wick, to murder his own son and walk away would be just as suicidal as taking him on to someone like Viggo.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:06
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Tumble posted:Nah, Wick would have let Viggo go if he hadn't gone and killed Marcus. And Viggo wasn't wrong to kill Marcus either; Marcus flat out lied to Viggo and could have saved his son numerous times. I guess we don't know enough about Marcus and Wick's relationship. Did Viggo know that killing Marcus would elicit such a strong response from Wick? I'd say probably yes but there's no way to know for sure, Viggo was under the impression that Marcus would actually be willing to kill Wick so he obviously didn't realize how close they were.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:27
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Gyges posted:Viggo asks Marcus if the contract will be an issue because he knows they're friends. Marcus then tells Viggo that the offer is big enough for him to be a professional. True, he does call Wick to taunt him, I'd forgotten about that. If he just wanted to kill Marcus for lying he could have done that quietly.
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Feb 28, 2017 22:23
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You can see all those little habits being formed in those training videos. Its interesting how goofy Keanu looks as he's learning the different stages of a good fast-draw and how to stand properly while firing, and then it all eventually comes together and he ends up looking way more competent than any normal action hero.
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Mar 1, 2017 15:03
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Wick retired after a full career of shooting people in the face, probably like 20 years or more. Being John Wick, I wouldn't be surprised if there were periods where Wick basically lived at the Continental full time because of the security it provides. Judging from what happened when he came back for like one day, when Wick was in his prime I imagine there was probably someone gunning for him every time he stepped off Continental grounds.
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Mar 6, 2017 15:26
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Collateral posted:I am going to rewatch it, perhaps a second viewing may help. I am still mystified as to how Viggo's organisation know squat about this legendary biblical wrath of the gods figure who laid the foundations for their organisation, but almost everybody else does. They know about John Wick, at least most of them do. His son doesn't really know anything because he's a moron, and he's in his early 20's. At that point Wick has been out of the game for 5 years, I doubt when Viggo's son was 18 he was involved in ordering secret assassinations with his father. Even at the start of the first movie it doesn't seem like Viggo really includes his son in any actual important business, he just lets him hang around doing busy work because its his kid. Viggo's head of security knows exactly who Wick is, for instance. He has a very healthy respect for/fear of Wick.
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Mar 6, 2017 15:40
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Collateral posted:He never told his son about the Boogeyman? How not to commit suicide through stupidity. Wick was retired. By all accounts he was completely out of the game, and had been for 5 years. The kid randomly running into Wick at a gas station was not something Viggo had planned for. I mean, in light of everything we learn about in Chapter 2, Viggo's son was REALLY out of the loop. He obviously was just the idiot kid that every stereotypical mob boss has to deal with when if it were literally anyone else they'd have been buried in the desert long ago.
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Mar 6, 2017 16:10
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It is kind've a plot hole, the only reason the Tarasov syndicate are doing as well as they are is that Viggo tasked Wick with the "impossible task" of killing all their competitors in a single night when Wick wanted to retire and get married. It's pretty weird that Iosef had never heard anything about Wick considering he was singlehandedly responsible for putting their syndicate where it is. Everything about Iosef(thanks for reminding me what his name was) in the movie screams "entitled son of mob boss who thinks he's hot poo poo but actually has zero real responsibility in the business." He even appears to have a guy assigned to him specifically as a babysitter. Not a bodyguard, he has several of those, specifically a dude who hangs around him and reigns him in when he starts to act like too much of an rear end in a top hat for his own good.
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Mar 6, 2017 16:41
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Only Ian McShane can make a line like "by thine own hand" sound like the sickest ice burn ever.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:00
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Kingsman is very good, but if we're talking about the league that Fury Road, The Raid, and John Wick are playing in, no.
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Mar 8, 2017 03:04
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Snowman_McK posted:As rad as those films are, I'm not sure any of them had a set piece as singularly ambitious in conception and jaw dropping in execution as the church scene. If you take politics out of it, all of those films have at least three or four scenes that are just as good as the church scene. And it is a great scene.
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Mar 8, 2017 03:33
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It's a really, really well choreographed action scene, but the John Wick movies have like 5 of those in each one.
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Mar 8, 2017 03:37
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Snowman_McK posted:Politics? The scene takes place in a church and the people who get killed are all of a certain type. I thought maybe you were referring to that when you said it was "ambitious in conception".
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Mar 8, 2017 05:10
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Really, the extended gag of John getting progressively more and more visibly frustrated with the shotgun's slow loading speed was the best part of that whole sequence In general I underestimated how easily it would be for them to mix-up the action in new and interesting ways. I went into it thinking "ok, Wick probably shoots another hundred guys in the face, hopefully this won't get old too quickly". Little did I know that just giving John Wick a shotgun(among other things) would completely change the dynamic of the action.
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Mar 13, 2017 20:16
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Part of the "joke" of the Continental seems to be how insignificant actual money appears to be to people who are operating on that level. Favors and services are much more important, hence the coins and markers. The specific amount of money for each job seems to be more customary than anything else, its not like any of the Continental members we meet would want to be doing anything else for a living, even Wick recognizes that there's a big part of him that enjoys it.
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Mar 15, 2017 15:46
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Gyges posted:The thing is, you can't retire after a few jobs make you rich. John is one of the only people to ever actually retire, and he had to complete a legendary, impossible task to do so. Which is why the doubloons can be such a ridiculous currency, everybody good enough to have doubloons already has more than enough regular money. Wick himself couldn't retire easily, because he was working directly for a mob boss who had an interest in making sure he stayed in the game. That's not necessarily how every member of the Continental handles their business, if you only ever work freelance than I could see retirement going a lot smoother. We also don't know how exactly people become members of The Continental. Maybe they hand pick people who show special talent, but not necessarily those who are already established as super-assassins. Maybe its like some other secret societies where you have to get sponsored by someone who's already a member, who knows.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:17
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That's nice, but you should still see Chapter 2.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:49
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eyebeem posted:Saw this last night. Its super easy to track down the first one for very cheap. You can rent it of course but I've seen it on sale(streaming and physical media) for $10 or less.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:11
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I need to see Chapter 2 again but it feels like a comparison similar to The Raid vs. The Raid 2. The first is more compact and paced more evenly for an action movie, so its more of a streamlined total package than the sequel. But both The Raid 2 and JW Chapter 2 offer things that the originals did not, which really is very important in a good sequel.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:17
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Reeves was kinda hurting after 47 Ronin was such a huge flop. When Wick came out he hadn't really made a movie that made serious money for about 8 years. I remember seeing Man of Tai Chi a few months before I became aware of John Wick, and when I mentioned it to a few people they were all mildly surprised that Reeves was still appearing in movies.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:50
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MariusLecter posted:They might have gone easier on her if she hadn't shot Harry in the face. Hard to say with such a small sample size. Her violation was that she "conducted business on Continental grounds". So we don't know whether she's being killed just for the act of going after Wick, or if its actually killing someone that is the only violation of the rules. After all, their "business" is killing people, but we don't know if "attempted business" is really a thing or not.
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Mar 28, 2017 14:00
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OAquinas posted:These guys don't seem like the types to distinguish between "attempted murder" and "murder"--you either tried to do a bad or you didn't. Of course, that excommunication is a thing and not just immediate jump-to-dead means there may be a sliding scale. We also don't really know how much discretion the manager of a Continental has in making these decisions. It's not totally clear if Winston was sticking his neck out by giving Wick a pass, or if he's entitled to make that decision as manager of The Continental.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:42
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So this is what the co-director of John Wick has been up to while the other one was doing Chapter 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8USk21Lt0f4 Can't quite tell yet whether Theron is going to pull it off but at this point it seems kinda dumb to bet against her.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:33
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MarcusSA posted:Holy poo poo I'm in! Seems like the sound design is going to be a big part of selling Theron as a legit badass, that loud "thwak" sound as she repeatedly elbows the dude in the face is pretty sick.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:05
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Wow, once you own the movie and you don't feel like you have to focus so much on every little action beat, Chapter 2 really is stunning visually. That hall of mirrors scene, goddamn.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I wonder how much of a pain in the rear end it was to film in there so the camera guy wouldn't show up or if they just digitally removed him as needed. Even beyond just the camera man, there's a lot of shots where the colored lighting reaches like a crescendo with the characters and the various patterns all reaching the perfect spot at the exact right moment. You'd have to walk that path in advance to test out how the lights are going to look reflecting off the glass from every angle, then time everything up with the characters movements and even the soundtrack. You typically don't get eye candy like that in a balls to the wall action flick.
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