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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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CptAwesome posted:Whats considered a normal wait to see a GP? I rang earlier today to make an appointment at my surgery and I've been told the next appointment is the 29th - literally 4 weeks away. Is it me or is this a bit long? I was once told to wait three weeks (for travel vaccines) and ended up just going private instead. If it's something like that then I'd seriously consider it regardless of your views on private healthcare, and if it's not then it might be time to think about switching if that's an option, because uhh that's not reasonable. VVVVVVV Eh, it depends. I called to make that vaccination appointment literally the first working morning after I found out I would need it, and was travelling in 19 days while the appointment was 24 days away. I would say that is a bit excessive. You might call it lack of foresight on my part or whatever, but sometimes you just don't know beforehand. Even if it's not technically acute. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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JFairfax posted:Jeremy Corbyn Jeremy Corbyn, uhh, actually does something kinda good? Still shying away from supporting the amendment in Lords, but at least he does try and put the point across and more importantly at least talks about supra-national cooperation. I mean really he's just echoing the government's line on the topic, but you can't have everything.
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Mar 2, 2017 08:36
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Well I don't read Corbyn's twitter, or much of any twitter for that matter. Going by what he said in the quote posted earlier he's still pretty much repeating what the government said. Which honestly if I believed it wouldn't be all that bad either. But then that's the danger of listening to Tories.
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Mar 2, 2017 09:25
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Lord of the Llamas posted:You weren't clear that Labour supported the amendment? He's still parroting the Tory line in that statement, the one that was posted in this thread. Now to be clear I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with a quid-pro-quo approach, but equally since EU refuses to negotiate on it separately it means no actual guarantees. I wouldn't put it past Labour to not whip for the amendment if the Tories try to overturn it in commons.
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Mar 2, 2017 10:12
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She should've hit him over his head with that sword. Would be even funnier.
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Mar 3, 2017 20:09
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learnincurve posted:The EU has without question stunted our agricultural sector. When quotas came in the average livestock farmer was at retirement age with very low levels of literacy, and the younger generation had very little interest at getting up at 4am in the snow. Clearly a great, enviable and sustainable model which was trampled by the EU.
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Mar 4, 2017 10:48
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learnincurve posted:Don't be a snob, literacy and intelligence are not one and the same thing. If they hadn't sold to big business then we would have seen the rise of farm managers. Quotas came in in 1994, that' a hell of a long time for an entire industry being legally not allowed to grow and covers a huge amount of technological development that hasn't happened. In that time period china has worked out how to force grow crops. We have been force growing Rhubarb since the early 1800s, that knowledge coupled with modern technology could have gone somewhere, Farming gets giant subsidies to be viable in the UK, and the quotas are partly based on that, since if you paid the same amount of money per kilogram of produce to all farmers then you'd be massively disadvantaging non-intensive farming. quote:but we are not allowed to because it wouldn't be fair on the other EU countries with piss poor land. loving seriously? What century are you living in. That China, such great land without hills. Or California and Russia, the biggest producers or fruit and cereal respectively. Certainly no desert or frozen land there, unlike the UK. e: And before you go all why can California, Russia and China do it but not us. Well deserts (though not real deserts like Sahara or w/e mind you) are actually quite good for certain kinds of farming, particularly forcing that you mention, what with all the sun and all. That covers California, but see also Spain if you want an example closer in the EU (have a look in Tesco sometime how much stuff is grown there). As for Russia and China, lower wages = lower production costs = more produce for the same cost. Somehow I don't see the idea of UK gaining a subtropical/desert climate or reaching Chinese farm wages as very reasonable. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 11:21
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Fangz posted:Philip Hammond vows UK will fight back if it gets bad Brexit deal It's just so pointlessly antagonistic. I mean sure Britain will 'forge' new trade deals and everything but how is that not slinking away into a corner from the perspective of the EU, and more importantly what do they even care if there's not any sort of deal afterwards (as was the premise of that question). It's a really pathetic attempt to push the conversation towards being about strong Britain resisting evil foreign powers, which is just about the only thing the current batch of Tories do. Except for some occasional mild populism which doesn't hurt any vested interests too much. Shame that it seems to work really well so far. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 01:04
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6 out of 8 of those options are completely and utterly idiotic on a fundamental level, but somehow from what you said I get the impression that most people don't pick the duplicate one. Hurrah for the great and glorious public.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:37
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Pissflaps posted:Some good news for once. The UK is the third best country in the world. It's a crap methodology, better description would be "How do (mainly) Americans feel about various countries". Germany dropped below the UK because of the terror attack(s, but only one was significant) and refugees, which IMO doesn't make the country that much worse.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:47
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It does seem like it depends on their definition of "British". I assume it's "UK born and/or identifies as white british", as even with 65% of the staff being from the EU there's no way they'd get work visas for the other 30%. It's hard to overstate exactly how unbelievably onerous the tier 2 visa requirements are. No way you are hiring food service staff through that. Honestly seems more like a comment on the sort of jobs many in the minority communities in the UK have to take, because they wouldn't be considered the same as a British person. As a reminder when BBC sent identical CVs with a British and non-British name, the British one got over 4 times as many callbacks, and at higher proposed salaries too. And that wasn't very long ago either. E: yeah it is "british-born" as per the Daily Mail article about it Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 21:25
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Paxman posted:Presumably we dont want employers to discriminate against people on the basis of nationality. Also devil's advocate, but uhh, I don't know how to tell you, but we most definitely already legally do. As does every single other country on the planet in fact, as far as I am aware. Now nationality of birth on the other hand, well ... Private Speech fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 22:35
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Paxman posted:Yeah we do if we're talking in general terms, eg its a lot harder for an Indian to work here than a French person, but i think the posts i responded to were talking specifically about people who have a legal right to live and work in this country by virtue of being EU citizens. Yeah I know, it was just tongue in cheek. But as you said it's legal to discriminate against someone who doesn't have a legal right to freely work here, both in the hiring process and by the government itself in the form of immigration laws. You can still hire them under certain conditions and with enough effort if you wish, but that suffices to deter all but the most determined companies.
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Mar 8, 2017 22:48
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jabby posted:You have to question some of the assumptions you start out with. Or maybe the employment and immigration statistics don't show that at all, because of the growth of economy associated with there simply being more people. That is besides anecdotes. But hey, it's the brutal truth who can argue. And I'd just like to say here for the record that I don't earn obscene amounts of money like Pochoclo, just like the vast majority of EU immigrants. More close to the median. E: and I do have a fairly decent and very in-demand degree from the UK, along with work experience E2: And in fact I would be very surprised if someone in Pochoclo's position couldn't get a tier 2 visa anyhow, that seems exactly like the sort of thing it's for. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 22:53
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namesake posted:Nobody apart from economists actually gives a poo poo about the economy. People care about their part of the economy, how secure it is and how much money they're earning by being a part of it. While the growth figures are absolutely dependent on immigration (I believe it was analysis of Osbournes last budget which clearly illustrated the reduced growth from reduced immigration), this growth is so specific in economic sector and geographical region that it is equally the brutal truth that a larger economy doesn't improve many (most?) peoples lives even a little. That's all a bit relative, but there's a whole lot of research into effects of immigration on wages and unemployment across all sections of the society, and the negative effects on low-paid workers are marginal at best. I made a big effort post about this in one of the Europol threads back when I was at uni, supported with about a dozen or more research articles. The most startling conclusion was that, providing the current effects on economy continue linearly, which is of course a huge and symplifying assumption, if the whole population of Africa got absorbed into the EU then wages of low-paid workers would only drop by 10%. It really is not as simple as it seems. E: look I'm slightly dyslectic/dysgraphic and had a few rum n' cokes tonight Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 23:07
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namesake posted:I'm not arguing that migrant labour reduces wages (I agree the evidence suggests it doesn't particularly do so) but arguing that the positive relationship between growth and immigration is therefore good for everyone is also not true because this growth is regional and sector specific, so people see increased national immigration and personal/local economic stagnation. Enter the far right which suggests the two are related and you have UKIP. Oh yeah most definitely, if you are in the bottom third of income your economic wellbeing is at best unaffected or at worst very slightly worse because of immigration. It's just not anywhere near as bad as the anecdotes would claim. But if you combine that with anxiety about/difficulty if interacting with foreigners, it's easy to see how you might not be thrilled.
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Mar 8, 2017 23:17
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Lol there's someone in the comments arguing that the broken tuition fee pledge wasn't a significant factor in the lib dem collapse. Seems like a severe case of "I don't see what the big deal is (and/or even agree with the policy), so clearly it didn't matter to anyone".
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Mar 9, 2017 10:47
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Dabir posted:>ELECT CORBYN Command not recognised by the general public
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Mar 9, 2017 20:58
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Tesseraction posted:Y'all are getting rather sensual for 9 in the evening on the dead gay forums. I don't think this thread is all that gay. Often downright depressing, in fact.
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Mar 9, 2017 22:19
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So everyone who said that Brexit will make Britain more open to people from other countries, well, uhh: Refugees applying to live in UK face being sent home after five years
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Mar 9, 2017 22:34
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Well there's the crackpot libertarian wing like Carswell and Hannan, sort of the the anti-Lexit particles. Of course the most funny thing about those guys is the naive belief that any substantive proportion of the population actually agrees with them which somehow makes them almost blind to the ethnic nationalism and xenophobia. Well I meant 'open to people from outside [the EU]' not 'open to people from outside [the country]'. I mean it works either way, but people who agree with the latter are much more rare.
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Mar 10, 2017 04:32
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jabby posted:I see two main issues. Didn't he speak in favour of no2eu before becoming the leader? I know he certainly never did since that became a realistic possibility for him, but honestly I don't think he's that fussed about it in principle (probably is about what it's doing to the politics of the country though, and the sort of policies that suddenly became acceptable).
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Mar 10, 2017 21:50
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This is pretty funny, crosspost from the political 'toon thread.Cloud Potato posted:Times: Bit surprised how much the government is getting hammered for that budget. Sure they did break a manifesto commitment. But, to be frank, which political party hasn't; and it could easily brushed off as "that was before Brexit and the current cabinet". Maybe media feels secure to criticise the government a bit now, what with how the current polls look for Labour.
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Mar 11, 2017 01:42
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Tigey posted:I don't often agree with jBrereton but I do think he somewhat has a point here. The UK was just the most visible in terms of its snowflakery. Sure but arguably the bits which the UK had/has exemptions from are very different in character, being opt outs from things that don't benefit/aren't particularly popular anywhere among the 'elite' (the right-wing one, anyhow). Things like more open borders, budget contributions, etc.
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Mar 11, 2017 16:06
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LemonDrizzle posted:On a personal level, I think the only thing you can do is to make sure your financial position is robust and that you have exit options if you need them. I'd certainly be wary of making a house purchase at this point. I honestly don't think it will be that huge of an (economic) disaster. Obviously nobody knows though, and house prices can be finicky at the best of times. Still if you think you want to stay in the house until you pay off your mortgage then it's not that bad. But yeah interest rates rise or unemployment could throw a wrench into that too.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:39
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Miftan posted:Bringing a partner over is very expensive. Depends on to which country. But yeah it's never entirely cheap, outside of within the EU anyway obviously.
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Mar 12, 2017 15:46
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Guavanaut posted:Is it even piracy if you're downloading anarchist music? Most of the local acts of that inclination normally run on a pay-what-you-want basis. Where do old Chumbawamba records fall. They're absolute pain to get hold of these days, even on P2P sites and such, nevermind youtube. I know I lost a few songs of theirs I had to a dying hard drive and I can't find them again at all.
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Mar 13, 2017 18:05
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Pochoclo posted:It's effectively the same thing. What, do you expect May -not- to trigger it at this point or what? Yes I understand actual negotiations don't start until she actually does it, but let's be honest, markets and companies will start executing contingencies about now. AFAIK it's supposed to happen on the 15th. Obviously nobody outside the government really knows though.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:17
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Guavanaut posted:Idiot nationalism aside, I do think that becoming more self-sufficient in food is overall a good thing, whether that's at the national, regional, commune, or household level. When I hear North Korea I think agricultural success. Fine that's tongue-in-cheek, but still, I can't think of any large country that's agriculturally self-dependent. China, Germany, France, Spain or the US do come somewhat closer, but that's more a function of the size of their agricultural sectors than anything.
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Mar 15, 2017 10:06
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Home Office staff forbidden to criticise Donald Trump online It's pretty silly, plus it goes a lot further in saying they'll enforce the standard blanket "no saying online that you work at the HO, what you do there or opinions regarding any policies". Which apparently two out of three personnel break. Soo, does anyone here work at the Home Office and has something to share?  Don't actually do so if you like your job I guess.
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Mar 15, 2017 10:59
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Guavanaut posted:If people got their poo poo together we could grow a lot of stuff by community scale aquaponics that wouldn't normally be considered native, and I have no issue with falling back on neeps and tatties as a staple. Nah yeah, you can grow anything, even quinoa. I'm not even joking, you absolutely can. See e.g. weed, or the whole spanish winter strawberries thing, or, well, just about whatever. It does get a bit more expensive if you don't have enough natural sunlight though, and crops that need a lot of land (so, quinoa) can be expensive.
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Mar 15, 2017 12:09
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Pochoclo posted:Uh, to all the people touting aquaponics or whatever: that poo poo is super expensive at the scales needed to feed a country. Glasshouses mostly. You don't have to actually do aquaponics, just provide more (artificial) sunlight and temperature/climate control. That said it is hella expensive, and not very good for the environment too, because of all the energy needed. e: Also vertical farms are kinda silly unless you really need the space. Like yeah if you have an unlimited budget then sure they are neat in theory, but then so is a lot of other stuff (starting with more nuclear powerplants, public transport infrastructure and housing for everyone) Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 12:31
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Jose posted:that marine is no longer guilty of murder. its now manslaughter due to diminished responsibility What became of the whole war crimes thing anyway? Wasn't it supposed to be handled differently than just normal murder.
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Mar 15, 2017 12:38
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Guavanaut posted:It actually gets cheaper the more you scale it up. It's expensive but interesting at the household level, but when you make large vertical farms you can start using sulfur lamps and HVAC and stuff that wouldn't make sense at a home farm scale. It's still cheaper to spread it out so that you can utilise more natural sunlight, as evidenced by climate-controlled commercial glasshouses actually being A Thing in lots of places in Northern Europe, while vertical farming has a few experiments worldwide at best.  Dutch winter tomatoes grown on a large commercial scale.. Somehow they aren't even prohibitively expensive. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 12:46
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jBrereton posted:Thanet Earth + similar sites do that even in the UK, this isn't some notionally possible way of growing things, it's happening here already lol Sure that's what I've been saying, it's not impossible at all really, just a bit expensive. If you're talking about vertical farming it's not though (Earth+ anyway), vertical farming as in building multiple-story glasshouses basically.
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Mar 15, 2017 13:07
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Vertical farming is a really bourgie thing actually, like pretty much the whole point is to allow farming to be done inside cities so you can have your "locally grown" food without having to live somewhere in the sticks.
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Mar 15, 2017 13:17
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jBrereton posted:lmao It's true though, land isn't exactly scarce so that part doesn't matter, VF glasshouses aren't actually cheaper to build (the opposite in fact) and any savings on transport costs are entirely negated by the much higher energy requirements for actually growing the bloody plants. Plus it kinda works against the reason why you are building the glasshouses in the first place, that is using solar energy to cut down on energy requirements. A typical vertical farming concept (GIS for vertical farming):   Slightly less fanciful one:  Pictured, not a vertical farm (Thanet Earth+):   I'll shut up about it now.
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Mar 15, 2017 14:23
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kustomkarkommando posted:maybe the lesson is you don't go into a coalition cabinet with the centre-right It looks like another center-right coalition though, except maybe with different parties this time. Or perhaps the exciting possiblity of an entirely right-wing one! As if the EU needed another one.
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Mar 15, 2017 23:12
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Coohoolin posted:VVD made the biggest gains, I think, what's their story? You're reading the chart backwards. Also they're the conservative party.
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Mar 15, 2017 23:14
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Welp according to the IPSOS exit poll.. That's one way to look at it, but then take this crosspost from the nederelection thread, from an actual dutch SP (lefties) voter: quote:The left-leaning parties, PvdA-GL-SP, lose 18 seats. As expected, the biggest winner is the Labour Party (PvdA), losing 29 seats, while GroenLinks gained 12 seats to their original four. e: Also 50+ and FvD (one of your others) are borderline hard-right, so that's 4 more seats somewhere between PVV and the rest of the right-wing pack. This is just from reading the dutch election/politics thread mind you, but it seems about as full of left-wing people as here. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 23:24
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