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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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he's racist by birth but doesn't live there any more
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Mar 14, 2017 15:41
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Yeah it's surprising that anyone bothers to comment on what the Lib Dems are doing at all.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:38
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All two of the big parties and the Lib Dems are pretty bad at the moment. Labour is the only one of the three that I see as having potential to improve though.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:24
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The Queen is the monarch after all, royal duties are rather her job. I dunno what William's job is these days but insofar as you can consider having royals reasonable at all, it seems reasonable that his workload is less than the person with their face on all the stamps.
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Mar 15, 2017 10:55
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Parsnips are extremely good and sometimes even amusingly shaped.
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Mar 15, 2017 12:09
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Private Speech posted:Glasshouses mostly. Nidderdale would in fact be ideal then!
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Mar 15, 2017 13:02
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Pretty sure someone itt predicted this u-turn last week as a way of the Tories showing that they listen to the people, are compassionate etc. I note that there's been no u-turn on the middle class tax cuts coming into effect in April.
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Mar 15, 2017 13:07
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kustomkarkommando posted:Well it looks like the options will be a lovely deal or no deal and WTO standards, so that way the Tories can insist their crappy deal is still not the worst option Actually I think you'll find that "no deal for Britain is better than a bad deal".
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Mar 15, 2017 14:17
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I was surprised to find out when I was in Norway last year that neither they nor any of the other Nordic countries have a national minimum wage. Neither do Switzerland or Austria. Instead they all have strong trade union movements and rely on collective bargaining to set wages across industries. I don't know enough about those countries to say whether that is a more effective approach, but certainly when I think inequality and poverty level wages I don't think of Sweden.
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Mar 16, 2017 09:26
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TinTower posted:I'm pretty sure that Theresa May won the leadership election out of Leadsom, Gove, and Fox eliminating themselves out of pure incompetence leaving her to win by default, but okay. Yeah, I dunno that I'd generally call "asking for an update within two months" pressuring the Government, although with the apparent progress they've made with Brexit preparations so far I understand it may seem a rather sudden and arduous task to them.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:20
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A doomsday device is the way to go. Plant sufficiently many large enough nukes under the entirety of the UK that we can respond to any first strike by wiping the British Isles from the map and filling the atmosphere with enough radioactive dust that no sunlight reaches the planet's surface for the next decade and the topsoil of the entire globe is deadly to all life. That's the kind of deterrent that people respect. "You can't nuke us, we'll nuke us first, and also turn the Earth into a sterile, glow-in-the-dark snowball."
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Mar 18, 2017 18:31
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It's also nice because it's completely useless as a first strike weapon, fulfilling the requirements of MAD without even requiring a nuclear armed adversary! e: ronya posted:that only deters being nuked to annihilation It does if it's your first response to any nuclear attack at all. It's only if you fumble around with wishy-washy rubbish like "proportional" responses that the system breaks down. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 18:41
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I might not have been making entirely serious policy suggestions, although at least in Corbyn's case it might actually be a more credible deterrent than the current, targeted system.
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Mar 18, 2017 18:55
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Russia will call us pussies. This last point does seem like a credible threat tbf.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:10
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Regarde Aduck posted:You could also try this: "New Labour are sabotaging Corbyn so he needs to go and someone that they can't get their teeth into needs to replace him". Why would you not instead say "New Labour are sabotaging socialism so they need to go"?
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Mar 19, 2017 21:24
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Pochoclo posted:I learned about Attlee from the previous UKMT, seems like he was a pretty good PM, would be nice to resurrect him If we can't get Robot Lenin to lead the Labour party I guess he'd be an acceptable alternative.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:50
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Uh if school teaches you how to be good at computer instead you can pay someone else to do all those things for you.  
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Mar 20, 2017 02:05
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Jakabite posted:The whole 'teach taxes in school thing' also boils my piss. As if that's not something you can easily find out from the internet when the time comes to do it. School should be about teaching actual skills like critical thinking, sorting through information, source analysis, research, etc. Once you've got those sorts of cognitive skills down, things like taxes shouldn't really be a problem. Although I do agree a civics class would be good, teaching about how the government and country work in a general sort of sense. Surely in the UK "teach taxes in schools" would be exactly part of a civics class - where taxes come from, what they are for, why you pay them. Most people simply have their taxes calculated and paid by their employer, it's only if you are self employed or have some non-standard arrangement that you need to worry about doing them yourself. And in most of those cases you'd just employ an accountant. I think that idea is more American where apparently everyone is expected to do the reforms themselves.
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Mar 20, 2017 11:48
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Personally I think so critically that I don't believe anything at all.
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Mar 20, 2017 12:29
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Fangz posted:If you think causing damage to the party is the intent of the majority of the party, then purge them. That's already the idea so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Though I'm not sure you're correct in calling the more right-wing Labour MP's "the majority of the party" when there are only a hundred or so of them.
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Mar 20, 2017 19:29
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WMain00 posted:A Nationalist Socialist Workers Party maybe? To compare Corbyn to the Nazis is ridiculous. He offers a change from the last few governments, a radical departure from failed policies, a sort of Alternative for Britain if you will.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:06
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OwlFancier posted:Unless you're planning to hijack the plane and use it to do a big terrorism I don't know why you would involve a plane in your terrorism at all. Or just blow up the queue for airport security. All the same transport disruption, as well as hundreds of people all crowded into one space with nowhere to go and no screening whatsoever beyond a valid boarding pass...
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Mar 21, 2017 19:46
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Seaside Loafer posted:I never understood why a jet loosing pressure causes all that havoc. I mean sure all the people might suffocate but as long as it isn't the pilot and the engines are still going then it might have to go low but it still works right? Every film ever has them dropping out of the sky and crashing as soon as they loose pressure. What bit of the science am I missing? Movies aren't real. Losing a door or something isn't going to do poo poo to a modern plane, although I imagine it's going to get fairly chilly for the passengers even if they get their oxygen masks on in good time.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:28
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Move Parliament to the centre of the country: Carlisle.
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Mar 21, 2017 22:08
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Well we're talking about ridiculous security theatre in Western nations, so may as well keep it on those terms. See also the restrictions on liquids, put in place 20 years after the Bojinka plot first attempted to use liquid explosives on a plane. Nobody gave a poo poo about it until they planned trying it on a flight from the UK. I once sat in, more or less by accident, on a round table discussion of active security measures for passenger flights, with reps from BA, BAE, Boeing, Airbus and so on. And it was pretty horrifying, in the way that conversations often are when companies are literally discussing how much money they'd be willing to invest per life potentially saved, weighed up against the potential for lawsuits and lost revenue. But I recall that they were discussing SAM countermeasures, and said basically that it wasn't worth it, way too expensive, it would never happen until a passenger plane was actually brought down by one. Then some poor naif in the audience went, well what about that Malaysian flight that went down with a bunch of Dutch people on board. And the panel chair just shook his head and explained as though to a child, that happened over Ukraine, that doesn't count. It would need to be like in takeoff from Heathrow or Charles de Gaulle or something. And all the rest of the panel nodded wisely in agreement. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 13:45
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Guavanaut posted:In any situation you have to do that though. If you went with the position of some pro-life philosophers that a life has infinite and unknowable value, you wouldn't have aircraft. Or bathrooms. Yeah I realise that and of course intellectually I knew that these kinds of calculations must take place. But it's still quite another thing to be sat in a room and there's some guy going "well our 737 carries X number of people, expected legal liability per fatality $Y, so we're willing to spend $Z per plane on improving security this year".
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Mar 22, 2017 14:35
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It's OK to feel sad about this attack, because it is indeed sad when people are needlessly killed. Please try and keep some sense of proportion however, by recalling that around 1500 people die every day in the UK, including on average 3 a day who die after being found fit to work by the DWP and losing their benefits. The best way to deal with terrorist attacks is to ignore them completely and not give them days of blanket media attention, which only validates such tactics and increases the likelihood of subsequent attacks. And I understand the irony of me taking this position after our discussion earlier today about how nobody trusts actuaries.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:25
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Jippa posted:Ignoring westminster being attacked is pie in the sky stuff honestly. I dunno, I don't think it's going to cause me to change my plans for tomorrow much.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:40
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I understand that it's unrealistic to ask people to ignore these attacks, because we're just wired up to see a single murder as far scarier than (for instance) the estimated 40,000 early deaths every year in the UK due to air pollution. Which basically nobody at all cares about no matter how much the clean air people scream. But I feel nonetheless that if rather than being plastered across every aspect of the media for days on end, being discussed endlessly in Parliament, having billions of pounds thrown uselessly at preventing them, having the country go to war over them, etc., terrorist attacks were treated publicly like a rather less deadly disease than the flu, that would probably be better for the mental health of the country as a whole. And it would make terrorism less effective to boot.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:46
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spectralent posted:That's the point. Daesh is aware that the west can't stop touching the stove when there's a terrorist incident even if it's actually one of the many tragedies in the world at the time. If you kill a handful of people, you will dominate the news and successfully, outrageously successfully, will convince a big part of the public that violent repression is needed and it must target ethnic minorities. That's part of what's so frustrating. It's not some big secret strategy that we're accidentally and unknowingly playing into. Daesh have made it explicitly clear that the sole point of their attacks is to provoke an over the top response that stirs up distrust and hatred targeting Muslims in the West. The single purpose of terrorism is to make the news. That people are killed is a byproduct: causing violent, random death is just a quick way to get yourself on BBC One. And yet despite literally every politician and journalist knowing this, despite it being discussed to death (every time an attack occurs), despite all the expert talking heads looking serious and saying that this is what they want and we're giving it to them, we just keep loving doing it.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:58
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Looke posted:the guardian has footage of the car racing across the bridge, and the woman falling into the thames, pretty harrowing stuff Valuable journalism from the BBC, but I think if we could get Gary Lineker to commentate that would really improve my inderstanding of events.
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Mar 23, 2017 08:20
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A thrifty alternative to paying into a pension is to die before you retire.
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Mar 23, 2017 09:38
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/westminster-attack-police-arrest-seven-people-in-raids-at-six-addresses That's a possible interpretation. You might more charitably (to the police) assume that several people were arrested on reasonable grounds but on questioning were not found to be linked with the attacker. Which is closest to the truth I have no idea.
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Mar 23, 2017 12:57
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J_RBG posted:Something quite weird and ghoulish in presenting the wide range of nationalities represented among the victims of an atrocity as a positive of that atrocity imho, the lives of foreigners being only worthy of our attention by being smashed into by a car, and even then their existence here is thanks to the benevolent virtue of our beloved English capital I think we ought to use this opportunity to take some pride in our capital's wide, well maintained pavements.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:34
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Oberleutnant posted:I think they pumped Edward VII with enough morphine to kill an elephant when it was his time to shuffle off, apparently partly motivated by a desire for the death to be reported in the morning edition of the Times. Sounds like a splendid initiative, if the Times could arrange to do that sort of journalism more often I'd subscribe to their website without hesitation.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:45
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Oh, that's a beautiful shot, I do believe it's a... yes, it's a triple Jordan. TRIPLE JORDAN, ladies and gents. Well, I wouldn't like to be in Al-Mafraq tonight.
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Mar 23, 2017 17:11
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Is it a crime if you paint the end of a real gun orange?
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Mar 23, 2017 23:14
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/gracepetrie/status/845058455434133504 There are people who make a living teaching you how to use a car, a weapon that can be used for mass murder. Some sickos out there will even teach you how to use a plane, which if you remember is what did 11/9.
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Mar 24, 2017 00:57
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Jippa posted:Every one was expecting it for so long. That is the power of terrorism. It's the the threat of it that works more than the actual acts. This low level psychological background noise. The Daily Mail is probably one of the country's most successful terrorist organisations then.
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Mar 25, 2017 08:43
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Corporate language is a beautiful thing in its own way. I always admire things like how they use "we'd like to confirm" to mean "we're completely changing our position".
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Mar 25, 2017 11:38
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