Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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Jeremy Corbyn | 95 | 18.63% | |
Dennis Skinner | 53 | 10.39% | |
Angus Robertson | 20 | 3.92% | |
Tim Farron | 9 | 1.76% | |
Paul Ukips | 7 | 1.37% | |
Robot Lenin | 105 | 20.59% | |
Tony Blair | 28 | 5.49% | |
Pissflaps | 193 | 37.84% | |
Total: | 510 votes |
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See Tony Blair did it the wrong way around. Martin started out with war crimes as an underdog and then worked his way up to the peace process. Tony started out with the peace process and then went into war crimes.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:14 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:41 |
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forkboy84 posted:Someone flying a plane into the Commons would at least save us the billions required to repair it. Can't we just move the capital to Brum?
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:15 |
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How about Preston?
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:20 |
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I never understood why a jet loosing pressure causes all that havoc. I mean sure all the people might suffocate but as long as it isn't the pilot and the engines are still going then it might have to go low but it still works right? Every film ever has them dropping out of the sky and crashing as soon as they loose pressure. What bit of the science am I missing?
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:20 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I never understood why a jet loosing pressure causes all that havoc. I mean sure all the people might suffocate but as long as it isn't the pilot and the engines are still going then it might have to go low but it still works right? Every film ever has them dropping out of the sky and crashing as soon as they loose pressure. What bit of the science am I missing? The plane can pull itself apart at speed but I think you'd need a pretty big hole, films are nonsense. Oberleutnant posted:In the government mindset people are regrettably acceptable casualties. Capital isn't - if only because the owners of capital can put a poo poo load more pressure on the government than any number of whinging, mutilated proles. you should read james mcclean's piece about mcguinness. It's not that informative but holy poo poo the comments are hilarious
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:24 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I never understood why a jet loosing pressure causes all that havoc. I mean sure all the people might suffocate but as long as it isn't the pilot and the engines are still going then it might have to go low but it still works right? Every film ever has them dropping out of the sky and crashing as soon as they loose pressure. What bit of the science am I missing? Movies aren't real. Losing a door or something isn't going to do poo poo to a modern plane, although I imagine it's going to get fairly chilly for the passengers even if they get their oxygen masks on in good time.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:28 |
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If watching almost every single episode of Air Crash Investigation has told me anything, it's that the bomb would have to be sufficiently powerful enough to cause serious damage to the superstructure of the plane or take out a poo poo load of electronics and hydraulics to bring it down
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 20:33 |
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Miftan posted:How about Preston? Yes. New Parliament will be housed in an additional 4 layers on top of the bus station that look exactly like the existing layers. Very same shade of grey.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:05 |
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crispix posted:Yes. New Parliament will be housed in an additional 4 layers on top of the bus station that look exactly like the existing layers. Very same shade of grey. Sure but we can build a huge clock next to it?
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:08 |
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Miftan posted:Sure but we can build a huge clock next to it? Only if it is v cheap and makes a fart noise instead of a chime. That is what we deserve as a bad, stupid and lovely country imo. (I was in Preston once and the entire town centre smelled like school dinners.)
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:11 |
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Cheerful article on NHS privatisation from the Private Eye website:quote:ACCORDING to Professor Sir Mike Richards, chief inspector of hospitals, the NHS stands on a “burning platform” with 11 percent of trusts rated inadequate by the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and 70 percent requiring improvement. Understaffing and overcrowding put patients and staff at risk every day.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:13 |
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Oberleutnant posted:Cheerful article on NHS privatisation from the Private Eye website: Unfortunately for the world the god in question was Moloch.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:27 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I never understood why a jet loosing pressure causes all that havoc. I mean sure all the people might suffocate but as long as it isn't the pilot and the engines are still going then it might have to go low but it still works right? Every film ever has them dropping out of the sky and crashing as soon as they loose pressure. What bit of the science am I missing? There's a couple of different effects. At high speed, the hole will be enlarged by the fuselage peeling away in the airstream. At high altitude, the sheer force of air will enlarge the hole even further and if any loose item happens to block the hole thanks to the fluid hammer effect - all of the air is moving towards the hole, anything blocking that movement will suddenly be dealing with a much higher transient pressure - the effect is massively multiplied. This happened with Aloha Airlines Flight 243: Rather gruesomely the loose object that helped enlarge the 30-cm hole into... that was a flight attendant, miraculously the only fatality. The only reason the plane was able to land is that the area of roof lost happened to be right above the main spar, the strongest area of the aircraft. Had it been behind the spar, or below the centreline, the loss of structural integrity would have torn the aircraft apart, and even if by some miracle it hadn't all of the control lines run along the bottom half, so it's going to end badly anyway. Modern aircraft are monocoques, with the outer skin of the plane accounting for most of the stiffness of the aircraft, and it only needs a surprisingly small amount of it to be lost in the right/wrong place to doom the plane. The best example of this is Lockerbie. The bomb was fairly big compared to a laptop battery but needed to be because it was in the cargo hold - if you were able to guarantee that it would be detonated against the aircraft skin you'd need a much smaller amount, as little as 100g of TNT. It blew "only" a 20cm hole in the side but as the plane was at cruising speed and altitude the decompression, plus the effect of the cargo being sucked through the hole, ripped the entire nose off the aircraft, with the rest of it disintegrating afterwards because blowing air at 600 mph into a thin-walled tube that no longer has anything holding it together tends to be a bit disruptive. The losing altitude thing is a Hollywood invention, a hole in the side won't make the plane drop (although it may cause all sorts of changes in attitude because of the thrust from the decompression and the disruption of the control surfaces) but of course the very first thing the crew will do in the event of decompression is get the plane down below 8,000 feet as quickly as is safely possible to avoid more damage and injury. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 21, 2017 |
# ? Mar 21, 2017 21:47 |
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Move Parliament to the centre of the country: Carlisle.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 22:08 |
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Oberleutnant posted:Cheerful article on NHS privatisation from the Private Eye website: Not sure why you are blaming Blair when the period it talks about is between 2013 and 2016. But hey, cool, let's disarm the NHS issue by blaming Labour somehow.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 22:44 |
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Fangz posted:Not sure
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 22:46 |
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Do you people really prefer I didn't post here? Because, okay.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 22:53 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/labour-membership-expected-to-fall-below-half-a-millionquote:Labour membership is expected to fall below half a million for the first time since its peak under Jeremy Corbyn because about 40,000 people are in arrears.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 22:59 |
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Fangz posted:Do you people really prefer I didn't post here? Because, okay. Post what you like, where you like, but most people aren't a fan of disingenuousness - and that extends to pretending that this kind of response is 'personal'.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:04 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/labour-membership-expected-to-fall-below-half-a-million Yeah not surprising really. All the actions by Blair, the Labour right and various other wealthy political backers are pretty much confirming my theory about British politics being primarily split into the nationalist right, the internationalist right (with a pro-EU base) and a rump social democratic/radical left with the drama of this realignment being centred around Labour. If Corbyn or an ideologically aligned successor remains in charge then they'll oversee a split and their MPs shrink massively to some new party phoenixing with the Lib Dems, if they're ousted then Labour will occupy the internationalist right slot and continue chasing the lead of the nationalist right.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:14 |
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I am genuinely not sure why you would post an article about the current NHS situation and pick out the single sentence that mentions Blair. Maybe you think Blair started all this, like the Tories wouldn't be pursuing privatisation of the NHS otherwise. Maybe you don't believe that the Private Eye has a pretty right wing perspective and would like to put the boot into Labour to balance any critique of the Tories. Maybe you think Blair is somehow the real issue here so the rest of the article is pretty unimportant as long as it works as ammunition for the New Labour/Corbyn fight. Maybe you missed the fact that it's talking about 2013-2016. Or maybe you have some good reason to think that the current situation that 45% of those services being private is comparable to how it was under Blair. But no, I'm disingenuously pushing a lovely and worthless opinion. This is all a bad opinion, unsuited for the good opinion zone of this thread. He's not exactly the first one to do the content free 'your opinions are poo poo, go away' attack so at this point I really can't be bothered. I don't think I'm adding value to anyone's day, so gently caress it.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:19 |
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jabby posted:Wouldn't it have to be a pretty major hole? As I recall the last laptop bomber just killed himself and the hole posed no issues with landing the plane. relying on incompetence on the part of the other guys is never a popular strategy with the security services. even if it's frequently not actually a bad shout
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:25 |
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Is that why they're so keen to close the incompetence gap?
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:33 |
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Miftan posted:I'm frankly surprised this hasn't happened sooner. Bombs are incredibly hard to locate in those types of devices even if you're looking for them, and the resources the airports put into that stuff isn't nearly enough. A couple planes blowing up is preferable to making everyone suffer through this bullshit imo.
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:36 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/labour-membership-expected-to-fall-below-half-a-million This is a real blow. Thanks to labour's ballooning membership the party has been able to and also in the future we can look forward to
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:37 |
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namesake posted:Yeah not surprising really. All the actions by Blair, the Labour right and various other wealthy political backers are pretty much confirming my theory about British politics being primarily split into the nationalist right, the internationalist right (with a pro-EU base) and a rump social democratic/radical left with the drama of this realignment being centred around Labour. If Corbyn or an ideologically aligned successor remains in charge then they'll oversee a split and their MPs shrink massively to some new party phoenixing with the Lib Dems, if they're ousted then Labour will occupy the internationalist right slot and continue chasing the lead of the nationalist right. What's this cdf.txt poo poo got to do with the article posted?
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:39 |
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Fangz posted:I am genuinely not sure why you would post an article about the current NHS situation and pick out the single sentence that mentions Blair. Maybe you think Blair started all this, like the Tories wouldn't be pursuing privatisation of the NHS otherwise. Maybe you don't believe that the Private Eye has a pretty right wing perspective and would like to put the boot into Labour to balance any critique of the Tories. Maybe you think Blair is somehow the real issue here so the rest of the article is pretty unimportant as long as it works as ammunition for the New Labour/Corbyn fight. Maybe you missed the fact that it's talking about 2013-2016. Or maybe you have some good reason to think that the current situation that 45% of those services being private is comparable to how it was under Blair. I like your effort posts and calm demeanour. The people who dont are just lashing out
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# ? Mar 21, 2017 23:46 |
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Move all Tories, Blue Labour MPs, the PM, the ministers, and all royalty to the bottom of the Mariana Trench IMO gently caress wait that's the plot to Bioshock I guess
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 00:07 |
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Except they genetically modified themselves by only marrying their cousins for centuries.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 00:10 |
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Pochoclo posted:Move all Tories, Blue Labour MPs, the PM, the ministers, and all royalty to the bottom of the Mariana Trench IMO Wouldn't that just end with them pouring out of the ocean in a gibbering, mutated horde and stealing all our missile subs? After Yewtree, I'm not optimistic enough to expect the 'mass child rescue' ending.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 00:13 |
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Lmaoquote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/21/furry-wild-side-fursona-animal-nature?CMP=fb_gu
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 03:19 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/labour-membership-expected-to-fall-below-half-a-million Sad but not unsurprising. Local party attendance also seems to have trailed off, at least where I am, and I would assume the whip was responsible given it happened at the same time.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 03:20 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ElwinWay/status/843377587913183232 liberalism was a mistake
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 05:08 |
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icantfindaname posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ElwinWay/status/843377587913183232 he's right alex tsipras doesn't exist, isn't a real person. There is no left wing. The guardian insult their readers intelligence every day, I don't really see the difference between nick cohen saying "gently caress off" and his normal "I'm a measured adult and you must heed my pathetic lack of substance seriously!!". Their best staff journalist is their cartoonist. They asked for experience of temp work and retracted the request when they realised their writers were temps.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 06:48 |
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icantfindaname posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ElwinWay/status/843377587913183232 Oh no the bad man used the f word.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 07:47 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/labour-membership-expected-to-fall-below-half-a-million How about that.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 08:22 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/labour-membership-expected-to-fall-below-half-a-million Isn't this mostly because unions have been on decline thanks to the efforts of neoliberalism?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 08:32 |
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I think it more likely it's because Corbyn didn't oppose Brexit.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 08:35 |
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Pochoclo posted:Isn't this mostly because unions have been on decline thanks to the efforts of neoliberalism? How does that explain the recent dramatic rise in membership?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 08:42 |
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Pissflaps posted:How does that explain the recent dramatic rise in membership? The spate of industrial action
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 08:55 |