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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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learnincurve posted:Friend of mine lives on Cock alley.... That's no way to talk about your unborn brother.
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Breath Ray posted:Are you serious? The only thing I can find on Google is ppl being unkind about Cornwall asking for the level of eu money to be maintained. I think that's a fair request tbh Not when the idiot hell fuckers voted to leave, it isn't.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:24
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Breath Ray posted:Why shouldn't they have expected the current level of support to be continued outside the EU? Because the whole reason they got those grants is because the UK Government was unwilling or unable to pay them? Why the gently caress should they be insulated from the consequences of their choice while the rest of us are going over the loving cliff?
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Mar 3, 2017 17:49
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Wheat Loaf posted:It would be nice if we could start having people with actual legal qualifications as Justice Secretaries again. Only a blithering idiot with a case of unwarranted self-importance that is remarkable even by career politician standards would take the role since it was split out from the Home Office. It's probably the hardest job (politically) in Government - every fuckup by Plod, the Prison Service, the Probation Service, and the local park wardens is laid at your door while any improvements you make in them are either nicked by the Home. Sec. and PM or decried in the red-tops as NOT BEING TOUGH ENOUGH ON CRIMS.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:57
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MikeCrotch posted:This is bad for Corbyn Nah, it'll be nice for him to have some political allies winning an election for once.
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Mar 3, 2017 18:25
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Breath Ray posted:We cannot know whether that is the reason they got those grants. Strange that some ppl think only the best of the EU with all the damage it's caused. Pretty much everyone in this country is going to be damaged by us leaving the EU. I repeat, why should an area that voted overwhelmingly to leave *even though nobody promised them that the structural grants would be covered* be insulated from that?
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Mar 3, 2017 20:03
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I'll go one further in fact - with a couple of exceptions the UK Government has spent nigh-on 40 years making life considerably harder for Cornish people (rural people in general but the South West and Wales in particular) through economic and social policies that overwhelmingly favour the South East. Literally the only reason Liskeard, for example, has any economic life beyond selling food to people on their way to their holiday homes is because of the CAP and the structural funding.It's not like the EU was preventing these things happening, and nobody claimed for one second that HMG would replace the EU funding after a Leave vote. If anybody can be said to have gone into the referendum with their eyes open, it was the Cornish, and they still voted Leave. I don't pick Liskeard randomly, by the way - it;s the site of the execrable Trago Mills whose founder was a founder of UKIP and a major regional figure in the Leave campaign. Without EU money he'd still be running a junk shop out of a shed. Why the gently caress should he and his followers (and I unfortunately include my own relatives in this) get more insulation from the impact of leaving the EU than I do?
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Mar 3, 2017 20:12
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Paxman posted:I'm in London and old enough to remember the IRA setting off bombs here but can't help lining Gerry Adams on Twitter. He's a loveable and dotty old guy who's learnt to use the internet and loves it. I just realised that "I'm in London and old enough to remember the IRA setting off bombs here" is actually something people feel the need to qualify (last bomb in London was the South Quay one in 96) and now I feel old  Two guys I knew died in that and my friends dad was left permanently brain-damaged so I find it a little harder to see Gerry Adams as a bearded old rogue, personally.
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Mar 4, 2017 08:12
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XMNN posted:being able to read is pretty important in the 21st century imho iunno, there are times in this thread when I drat Miss Smith and Roderick The Red for ever teaching me to read.
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Mar 4, 2017 12:00
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XMNN posted:the uk should grow more of its own food but unless we start growing opium poppies i dont think its going to make a significant impact on the economy tbh We grow more of our own food than we have at any point since before we had an empire. If we weren't so enamoured with out-of-season fruit and veg and foods that can't grow here we'd be very close to self-sufficiency. All while employing less people in agriculture than we do as estate agents. Efficiency is not a problem in UK agriculture. Paying what it actually costs to grow food here *will* be a problem once we leave the EU. e: Incidentally farm-gate prices for most cereals are considerably higher than for opium poppies, FWIW.
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Mar 4, 2017 13:21
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JFairfax posted:it boggles my mind that we live in a world where this is a thing: The existence of poorly-made fake videos boggles your mind?
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Mar 4, 2017 14:19
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Seaside Loafer posted:I'll be honest about a casual racism I have, i'm really annoyed by the Northern Irish accent. All I hear in my head whenever NI people talk is: That would be John "Hondootedly" Cole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeFO_kTcNcI
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Mar 4, 2017 19:55
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https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/838151492305551360 Okay at this point he's just trolling us, right?
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Mar 5, 2017 09:48
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LemonDrizzle posted:Labour selectorate polling: Leaving aside CORBYN BAD/CORBYN GOOD for a moment... who the flying gently caress likes Chuka Umunna should be Labour leader? I mean even if you were in absolute lock-step with him ideologically (in which case you shouldn't even be in the Labour Party but that's another argument) the man has the same level of personal charisma as Michael Gove naked and skipping. He makes Ed Milliband look like Elvis.
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Mar 5, 2017 12:22
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Fangz posted:Yes, let's believe the daily mail if it helps us attack new Labour Interesting that you consider that story an attack on New Labour, because I certainly didn't say that, and neither did anyone else, and is worryingly indicative of the cult of personality that's grown up around noted war criminal Tony Blair.
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Mar 5, 2017 14:03
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Fangz posted:Nice deflection. So why did you quote the Mail then? Is it just your usual news source? Why do you think the Mail is frontpaging made up stuff about Blair? Just innocently informing the public? I quoted it to make the amusing post "Okay he's just trolling us at this point". I'm still intrigued why you think an attack on Tony Blair is an attack on New Labour, though?
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Mar 5, 2017 20:21
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VIRGIN HEAT posted:Hi everyone, Sorry for your loss.
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Mar 5, 2017 20:25
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Fangz posted:The Daily Mail is 'trolling us', while you assume what it says to be true, if it involves Tony Blair. Why is that? No, the joke was I thought that Tony Blair was personally trolling us by wanting to be Trump's peace envoy to the Middle East and leaking this plan to the Daily Mail. It was such a perfect sotrm of annoyances for this thread, it seemed an amusing thing to say. New Labour was a much, much bigger project than Blair, and one that started before the odious little poo poo even entered Parliament. Conflating the two is done by precisely two kinds of people - the kind of people who thought calling him BLIAR and his party ZaNU PF LIEbour was Swftian satire, and the kind of people who think the sun shines out of his arse and the odd million dead brown people is a decent price to pay for watered-down Third Way-ism. I doubted you were the former. And the Mail put it on the front page because they very definitely are the former and still have a hate-boner for him that puts most of this thread to shame, and are loving horrified that he would be cosying up to their flaxen-haired fascist darling. Unless you genuinely think a) St. Tony will return from the wilderness to reclaim his throne and b) that the Mail made the story up to discredit him in the minds of the Beige Army waiting to follow him to the neoliberal promised land.
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Mar 5, 2017 22:50
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I just noticed the ironing board I bought today (I have become all I hate) was Made In Britain(tm). This is the kind of manufacturing excellence that is going to power us straight back to the top of the pile when we break the shackles of Brussels! (It's not caught fire yet but the much-vaunted hanger rail under it is both almost impossible to actually get a hanger onto and also means your freshly-ironed items are forever getting knocked onto the floor if you're right-handed)
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Mar 6, 2017 01:25
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Namtab posted:The BBC is full of shot and the sooner it goes away, the better Same but anime.
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Mar 6, 2017 19:14
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namesake posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYHNO2vNG4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxXSWilBBS4&t=207s And how David Davies think it will go.
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Mar 6, 2017 19:17
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Seaside Loafer posted:First one I ever saw was the most tentacle rapey one I think ive ever seen. It was lets see ... 22 years ago and they randomly started letting the hard 18 rated anime films in computer game shops for some reason, so it had the famous motorbike one with Kaneda and Tetsuo but it also had this. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108461/ . That's like 2 of hours demons raping young looking girls. That was a bit of an eye opener and no mistake. My mate was a big fan of Fist of the North Star. Now he's dead. I'm not saying the two are connected, but...
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Mar 6, 2017 22:01
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OwlFancier posted:He was already dead when he watched it. quite possibly, he started going bald very early and i'm sure it's around the time that the first load of manga started coming to the uk.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:10
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jabby posted:So apparently the BBC did a journalism thing by reporting 100 sexualised images of children to Facebook and seeing how many of them were removed. They then wrote to Facebook saying 'why weren't these removed' and Facebook asked for examples of the images. The BBC provided them, and Facebook promptly reported them to the police for sharing images of child exploitation. Legally speaking, Facebook were in the right here and the BBC in the wrong, and I'm shocked that a journalist at as major an outlet as the Beeb managed to gently caress it up quite so badly. Sending child porn to someone is not only a criminal offence for the person doing the sending but also for the recipient if they do not report it in a timely manner. There was no reason at all for them to send screenshots and images when links would have worked just as well, and it seems like someone doing a report on CAI on the internet would have done the bare minimum of research to find this out.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:45
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Fangz posted:Facebook's claim is that the images they did not remove were both not illegal and not against their terms of use. It seems wholly illogical to report the BBC to the police for sending those images to them, then. It's all a bit more complex than that. CSPs in the UK (and by extension any company doing business as a CSP in the UK) can sign up to a memorandum of understanding with the Home Office whereby they and their staff gain limited immunity from prosecution for possession of illegal data (not just CAI) as long as they follow a very specific set of policies and processes when handling the data. If someone sends you a bunch of files and says "Hey these are child porn" you don't open them, you activate that policy and it gets sent to Plod who make the assessment. The situation for reporting abusive pages is slightly more involved than that (because of course Plod don't want to be outsourced content filters for all of Facebook, and I don't think anyone in the world wants that either). Having said all that, FB are notoriously poor at removing CAI trading groups even when the authorities themselves report them, and at last somebody's had the balls to call them out on it in public.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:07
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Breath Ray posted:What if the links hadn't worked just as well, eg if the pictures had been deleted -- or could have been claimed not to link to anything by fb? Lol if you think *anything* gets deleted by Facebook.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:08
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Mar 8, 2017 19:13
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jabby posted:So the national insurance rise has gone down like a lead balloon, what with hitting middle earning self employed people hardest. Pleasantly surprised to see that the tax free dividend allowance is being cut though. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, NI is the worst excuse for a "tax" that anyone has ever implemented and if the Tories even came even vaguely close to practicing what they preached they'd scrap the whole thing and replace it with literally any other tax. Even VAT is less of a fuckup. Also gg Phil in picking a fight with a class of taxpayers that includes just about every big-name journalist in the country.
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Mar 8, 2017 20:29
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jBrereton posted:It's tied into entitlement for non-savings dependent JSA and so on but yes I agree it is basically a waste of time. Scary number to stick on taxes if you're ditching NI but want to retain the income, though. Chuck it on Corporation Tax instead. If the Tories are all for small business this is an absolute no-brainer - saves a shitload of paperwork, and means taxes are only paid on profits not on headcount. It would be the biggest boost to small businesses and sole traders since the 80s, Of course that would then require them to actually enforce Corporation Tax on
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Mar 8, 2017 21:32
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jBrereton posted:Yeah again though it isn't the policy that's the problem, it's the issue of whether you want to be the Labour leader who says corporation tax is going up by 12% as soon as they get into power? Media will spin it into "BUSINESS TAXES ARE GOING UP 60%" which makes it seem like it threatens small businesses even if it doesn't and so on. You know I hadn't realised just how loving tiny Corporation Tax take is in this country when I said that. It's basically half what NI is so you'd need to double it (well maybe not, depending on how you enforce it) in order to get the same revenue. So let's settle on a rate of 30% - 50% higher than current, still lower than the rest of the G8 apart from Russia and Canada (really? Canada? The gently caress are they doing there?). We'd still need to find another £50bn to make up the shortfall, but by my back-of-the-envelope calculations you can make that simply by upping the basic rate of Income Tax to 25% - a bastard move, for sure, but we're being Tories here. That still means that the actual tax deducted for those below the 40% threshold is still less, because they lose the 12% NI deduction. That's without even touching CGT or Stamp Duty, which should be upped to let VAT be dropped back down to 15%, something that would actually help insulate us from the massive price spikes post-Brexit. We're not America (yet), the right person could sell this poo poo to everyone but the top 10% with utter ease, press be damned. Unfortunately I don't think the right person exists in any political party any more.
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Mar 8, 2017 22:11
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MikeCrotch posted:Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. As I pointed out yesterday, the NI change affects just about every journalist in the country. Not the wisest battle for him to pick
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Mar 9, 2017 12:48
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Baron Corbyn posted:Yeah, one of Osbourne's tactics was to build up to something incredibly lovely in the budget so that when they u-turned on it, people would be happy about that instead of mad at the bad poo poo. He usually had the good sense to do the u-turn before the budget so it'd get a good reaction for not doing the bad thing we thought he would. It;s a tactic that can only possibly work in the absence of an effective opposition. The fact it's working as well under Corbyn as it did under Milliband should be instructive to those who think the rot is only at the top.
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Mar 9, 2017 17:17
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Jeza posted:Just got a jury summons at the Old Bailey in May. Time to wait around and possibly be selected to dispense goon justice. That's a strange coincidence, I got summonsed for jury duty at the Bailey last May. Managed to defer it until August and ended up getting sent home on the first day* but got all I wanted out of the experience, because they did the jury briefing in Court Number 1 and I managed to sit in the dock. It would almost have been worth the week in the cells for contempt of court to stand up and shout "YOU GOT NUFFINK ON ME YOU SLAAAGS" like the reptilian part of my brain that will forever be Cockney scum was screaming at me to do. * I'm sure it was just coincidence that the people sent home at lunchtime on the first day were younger and professionally-dressed for the most part**, not that I want to accuse HMCS of being penny-pinchers but I'm fairly certain putting in a claim for the whole amount of the juror's expenses is your fast track to freedom. ** Not me, I look like Columbo on laundry day
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Mar 9, 2017 22:20
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Wheat Loaf posted:What If: Cameron had managed to get Jeremy Clarkson as a leading Remain spokesman? You know what? Based on viewership and likelihood to influence, I'm willing to bet Clarkson's pro-EU columns in the Sun and the Times threw way more people to Remain than Corbyn's appearance on a Channel 4 comedy show.
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Mar 11, 2017 14:05
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Paxman posted:I saw a Daily Mail today and its page after page about how poo poo the Government is. Apparently the Tories have introduced some sort of death tax, Justine Greening is bad for cutting school fundng and big businesses are being allowed to get away with not paying their taxes. Plus, a big Peter Oborne column on how Theresa May must disown George Osborne for being agreedy bastard. The Mail hated Thatcher too, and pretty much every woman in a position of power or fame that isn't one of their columnists.
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Mar 11, 2017 14:15
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spectralent posted:I'm somewhat hopeful the insane expectations for brexit are going to backfire horribly and discredit the reactionary right to the extent the financial crash discredited neoliberalism, but on the other hand that thing about the right never being happy. You're kidding, right? They're already lining up the blame for the inevitable fiasco on people "talking down Britain" and all the Remoaners trying to subvert THE WILL OF 53% ofTHE PEOPLE, and the phtase "stabbed in the back" is already being bandied around. I think it'll be a miracle if we're not straight up Mosleyite by 2020.
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Mar 11, 2017 15:51
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Pochoclo posted:"loving immigrants are the worst scum of the earth, right, my darling immigrant wife?" I've mentioned it before, but two of the most vehemently anti-immigration people I know were born in Nigeria and Bangladesh. I suppose this is what the Right means when they talk about wanting immigrants to assimilate.
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Mar 12, 2017 15:57
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Pantsuit posted:The best British album ever made is 'Boy In Da Corner' by Dizzie Rascal imhozh That you can say that in a reality where "Ooh Crikey It's Lawnmower Deth" exists is a stunning indictment of modern society.
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Mar 13, 2017 17:22
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spectralent posted:This is a pattern. My Cornish* aunt visited us a few years ago, the first words out of her mouth on arriving were "Is that Muslim supposed to be there?" in an urgent, under-the-breath tone, indicating one of my neighbours who was standing in his garden smoking a fag. She's calmed down a little bit since then but still, when she visits London, refuses to take the tube or a minicab "Just in case...". She's going to be hosed when she realises that there are non-white black cab drivers. * She voted Leave because "The EU needs us more than we need them" and "They only invent these regulations to keep us down at their level". Her husband owns a company that sells agricultural supplies, and her son-in-law is an accountant who specialises in claiming and handling subsidies. The next few years are not going to be pleasant for her and I really try not to gloat. In her defence she was actually really pissed off with the UKIP refugees poster and thinks we should be taking in a lot more refugees, and had a right go about Cameron eulogising Nicholas Winton the day after fighting to reduce the amount of Syrian refugees we would take. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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HJB posted:Was she expecting a couple of kids to knock on the door asking if they can have their Muslim back? How did I get [s] confused with [i]? Anyway, as far as I can tell, she thought he was either breaking into the house or, more likely given the horrified way she reacted when she found out her daughter and granddaughter had gone three stops on the tube, she thought any random Muslim was likely to explode at a moment's notice, like suicide bombing was a very specialised form of spontaneous combustion.
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