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Bueno Papi posted:My hope is Paul Ryan has a meltdown and blames everyone for not appreciating his Randian dream. Reality will be generic Ryan platitudes masking the truth that not being able to afford health care is a choice, checkmate. Everyone except Trump, at least.
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eviltastic posted:Speaking of the Senate: "This just in, President Trump has declared the Senate illegal. The bombing begins in five minutes."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.afb389d160f4 Rehashes a lot of what's covered in this thread, but here's a choice quote: quote:The president is also trying to use carrots, not just sticks, stepping up outreach to other 2016 foes. Tonight he’s having dinner with Ted Cruz. Yesterday he lunched with Lindsey Graham. The South Carolina senator, as a gesture of goodwill, gave the president his new cell phone number. This is notable because, during a 2015 rally, Trump read Graham’s old number aloud to a crowd and asked people to call him. What an inglorious wonder this manbaby is.
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evilweasel posted:I'm pretty sure that amendment was to make things even worse, actually. Correct; the Barton amendment would have forced the medicaid rollbacks to occur on Jan. 1 2018, rather than 2020.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I thought I remember some conservative op-ed recently advising that the GOP should just be honest and admit that they really don't believe everyone deserves to be covered. Don't worry, they're already ahead of you. https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/839939310686175232
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https://twitter.com/NARAL/status/839940098552696832 "gently caress you, bitch." - Republican Party
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/trump-already-wavering-on-trumpcare.htmlquote:The last thing the imperiled GOP effort to repeal and replace Obamacare needs right now is confusion at the very top. But that’s what they have, thanks to the mixed signals coming out of the White House about the president’s willingness to deal away major provisions of Trumpcare involving the speed with which the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion is canceled.
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https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/845018201939435522 https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/845018455455748100 It might actually be impossible to describe how badly they've handled this.
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Craig K posted:i legitimately don't know who the gently caress this bill as is WOULDNT royally piss off Tom Price
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Mantis42 posted:Thank god Trump is such a good negotiator, 2 months in and he's already saved the healthcare of 25 million Americans. Trump: Manchurian Rino I just made a million-dollar header for Breitbart, pay me.
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evilweasel posted:Trump has no formal power to demand a vote. Ryan can tell him to get stuffed, Ryan is the speaker. But that would have obvious political implications and poison the relationship between Ryan and Trump even more when Ryan hasn't gotten the tax cuts he so desperately wants so I doubt Ryan will refuse the order. Did I just hear "President Ryan"? He still wouldn't get them.
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Confounding Factor posted:Hilarious if true. It's not, though I pretend it is.
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https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/845453917064441857 Allll this ad money is now worthless.
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DaveWoo posted:Some encouraging news: Skeptical because I'm not sure how you can get those particular no's together like that.
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Qu Appelle posted:I'm hearing rumors of a vote in the Senate this Tuesday. The senate is voting on something. What you might ask? I don't know, and neither do the senators heading to the floor. So go forward with that in mind.
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The thing is this Skinny Repeal they've introduced maintains those capital gains taxes entirely. It's just a massive bomb on the private insurance industry.
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Crossposting from PPG's megapost in USPOL: https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/908757768097681408 https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/908718687116505090 Probably not something anyone who reads this thread is unaware of, but more confirmation that this is a garbage bill written by garbage sorts absolutely infatuated with death and decay. Also defunding planned parenthood.
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Qu Appelle posted:Twitter is freaking out about this latest bill. The likelihood was stated upthread as somewhere in the 'low' zone, a possibility I don't necessarily contest, but I don't think anybody really knows. The medicaid devastation and planned parenthood fuckery should be enough to dissuade Collins and Murkowski, but it would be only mildly stating the case that people have a deficit of trust in a Republican senator's commitments after the poo poo Heller pulled earlier this year. Thus there's a pervasive sense that someone is going to vote yes for one reason or another, but realistically we won't know anything more until after the Republicans' secret little meeting tomorrow. It doesn't help that this bill would render healthcare in this country measurably worse than it was in the days before the ACA.
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And I'm somewhat interested in what sort of coverage this is getting on broadcast networks, an interest admittedly spurred by their desire to cover stupid poo poo like Trump's retweets and the Emmys.
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Nocturtle posted:In the event the Senate passes the Graham-Cassidy bill is there any scenario where the House votes it down? Presumably there's no time for them to do the normal reconciliation committee process, and the House will simply vote on the bill as is. While the obvious answer is "Yes, of course they will pass it dummy", the previous House version of the bill was essentially a hot potato thrown to the Senate without any real expectation it would become law. They didn't even bother waiting for a final CBO score. If the House has to vote on an actual bill that could become law are there enough vulnerable Republican House representatives to hold up the bill? This is a fair question, even if expecting the House Republicans to hesitate for a second is something of a dubious prospect. The McArthur Amendment was tacked onto the AHCA in order to make palatable the obviously murderous qualities of the original bill, and provide something resembling political cover for those vulnerable members of the House. Graham-Cassidy does a 180 on that and then some, although there's been no real word from the House on this bill, and the Senate position appears to be all or nothing with regards to passing it.
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This is kind of a more general question but I feel it's worth asking: has any other post-WWII country committed something like this against its own population? Graham-Cassidy, AHCA, BCRA, whatever example you want to hold up, I'm sincerely aching for examples of the ruling elite of another country who committed genocide by destroying healthcare.
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https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/909806872844259328 I'm going to assume Doucey doesn't give a poo poo.
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/909825989588525058 My thought is that they're trying to avoid personally taking responsibility for the bill's failure, either by obsequious commitments up until the moment of truth or by passing it off to the House... or they're not.
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MooselanderII posted:Why wouldn't Paul cave? He ended up voting for last round's set of bills, didn't he? I know that he was promised a straight repeal in exchange, but couldn't that happen again? Specifically, he voted for the 2015 and Skinny repeal amendments while skipping out on the BCRA. His voting has a logic to it, albeit one that is not always very consistent and somewhat self-serving, and the BCRA was its own kind of monster even without the Cruz amendment that the case could be made that voting for it would be counter to the ultimate outcome of a repeal, fucky though it is in reality. It's also somewhat different this time, as he was up front and center with the 'Obamacare lite' like he was with the original AHCA, and has utilized that by loudly arguing in the Senate about the havoc Graham-Cassidy inflicts on the markets and utilizing the Republicans' state media in such a way as to propagate the narrative to an audience more critical to bringing about failure. Spiritus Nox posted:Pretty sure he only voted for the Skinny. Well that would throw a wrench into the above, though I still think he benefits from taking his current course of action in earnest. Grammarchist posted:He did get on board with Skinny Repeal on the understanding that it could be changed in conference, but after Sept. 30, the house would have to pass whatever goes through the Senate without changes. So it's less likely that he'll risk that given his apparent stance. That's my understanding anyway. And I think this might be sound, though I have no idea why he would have relied on the House to make any adjustments. ded redd fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I hear contradictory news on McCain's stance, but I guess the latest news is that he probably supports the new repeal? This doesn't align with his impassioned plea for transparency and bipartisan process this summer, given the CBO won't even have full analysis until next month and the general public doesn't know about this yet. It hasn't been that straightforward. He took that stance earlier today, yes, with the "I'd prefer a bipartisan, but..." line. It was later that he came out against the bill, citing the need to go through normal procedures while emphasizing the 'process'. If he's asking for a rewrite, that's effectively taking a bludgeon to the bill in this particular instance. Mokelumne Trekka posted:The other No votes have been quiet. No promising rejection of this really. Rand Paul is just posturing, that's a no brainer IMO. He's posturing in his own, more conservative than thou way, certainly, but there's some legitimate effort going into this time that diverges from his behavior on previous bills. Mokelumne Trekka posted:In the meantime I'll call some numbers... It's appreciated, regardless.
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Grammarchist posted:The Democratic Senate Leadership appears to have conceded some "state flexibility" to close that bipartisan deal that was sidelined by Graham-Cassidy. This could give Collins, Murkowski, and possibly McCain an opening to flip to solid no on the latter, as they've all touted these talks as productive. Downside is that GOP-led states will have a lot more tools at their disposal to kill poor people. The upside is that it gives Murkowski something she wants (state flexibility) without everything she doesn't (everything else). I... really don't know how to feel about this. And I mean that in all sincerity, because I am exhausting myself on this debacle all by itself.
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