R. Guyovich posted:

https://www.rhizzone.net/article/2016/07/21/so-you-think-russia-or-china-would-be-better/

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Could you stop making GBS threads up the thread with self quotes and laffo spams? They add nothing to the discussion and suggest you have no intention to meaningfully engage in discussion.

Azathoth posted:

It will never not be funny to me that what the Democrats are doing right now with Trump and Russia is exactly what the Republicans did with Hillary and the private email server, and Trump and the Republicans are responding with the same combination of this doesn't matter / everyone does it / this is a witch-hunt / this is distracting us from the real issues / etc. that Hillary and friends failed to sell to the American public.

comedyblissoption posted:

not only is there zero evidence of collusion with the russian government, there's not even an allegation of what if anything illegal or unethical may have happened

comedyblissoption posted:

jimmy's point is that gaslighting about a connection merely because it's russian is basically xenophobia and an absurd variation of mccarthyism

comedyblissoption posted:

mccarthyism was a witchhunt involving accusing people of being communists or being associated with communists and therefore they must be evil. the shade of mccarthyism here is insinuating nefarious deeds for merely having a business association with a russian. there's not even any action that is alleged that Manafort actually did that might be unethical or illegal while in the trump campaign. there's just the insinuation that he must have done something bad because RUSSIANS!

comedyblissoption posted:

that's why it's a variation of mccarthyism and why it's so ridiculous. communist soviet russia is literally dead and theyre a capitalist corrupt plutocracy like the US now, but the media and politicians are still gaslighting as if russia was still communist and merely associating someone with russia is somehow a success in painting someone as bad

comedyblissoption posted:

he's making a point that this gaslighting would be a lot less effective if you replaced russia with italy or some poo poo because of historical xenophobia from the cold war. in a sane world merely associating someone with russia would be just as effective as merely associating someone with norway. he's not saying the countries are the same politically or ethically.

comedyblissoption posted:

if there's nothing to hide, it's actually way smarter for trump to let the democrats and media hang themselves on a witchhunt that goes nowhere

comedyblissoption posted:

journalists from the AP are literally insinuating manafort must have done something bad or been trying to spread putin's influence because he had in the past lobbied for a russian businessman. they're not even alleging manafort did any specific concrete illegal or unethical action. theyre just insinuating he must be bad or done something bad because RUSSIA

comedyblissoption posted:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-russia-story-is-a-minefield-for-democrats-and-the-media-w471074

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

What's your endgame for caring about Russia? Bad dems are still going to confirm Trumps SCOTUS appointments, ACA still going away, and Hillary will still never be president.

comedyblissoption posted:

maybe the obama administration shouldn't have negotiated that giant uranium deal with russia if they felt that way lol

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Well you can be "mad" about Russia but more importantly don't let it be a distraction to what the current dem shitheads in the senate are doing behind the scenes.

Cause that's what the Bad-dems are doing right now.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

This is the wrong lesson to learn from 2016. Please never engage in real-life politics, including voting, ever again.

Thanks.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

The media needs to shine their spotlight on the bad things Trump is currently doing, not what they did.

Oh Snapple! posted:

Opposition to this line is more opposition against the type of person fanatically pushing it than opposition against the line itself.

Oh Snapple! posted:

Boy that was essentially a perfect example:

Oh Snapple! posted:

a desperate hope that this kills republicans nationally, because the current terrifying alternative is a leftward shift of the dem party.

Oh Snapple! posted:

the idea is that the dems change nothing and win everything i don't see why you're having a hard time with this

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Agreed here. But is "Russia = bad" the best way to do it? An investigation is occurring, which is good. Why push McCarthyism as well?

Oh Snapple! posted:

what in the world

Corky Romanovsky posted:

No one is saying not to investigate.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Yep. But that is neither here nor there wrt the dems desperately trying to regain power and maintain the status quo.

On the plus side though, people like Jeffersonclay are dumb enough that they won't need to be appealed to when the current dems collapse and are replaced with progressives.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I feel like the bad-dems will go away when they go extinct by staying on the current path. The problem is the bad dems will be the last ones left with D's by their name, and we will get the trump and Cruz republicans creating the new party.

Brother Friendship posted:

On one hand I genuinely am glad to understand just how lovely and corrupt the Democratic party is because it makes it so simple to tear the entire institution apart and demand reform. The corruption in the media, the Democratic party and the entire political and economic system were on full on display due to the info dumps that were strategically timed before the convention and during October to maximize their impact. It makes it so easy to make a case that the entire system is broken and must be reformed because it's naked incompetence. The Sanders wing of the party is ascendant and it's absolutely imperative to keep it that way, and the info dumps were a massive blow against the establishment.

But it was done primarily to insert a dim witted fascist into the most powerful position of the world with no consideration to the people it would hurt. It was done to expand Russian influence abroad, which is not necessarily a bad thing, except what does Russia offer? The systematic murder of its own citizens based off the whims of an ever aging autocrat? A broken, resource based economy and a sprawling network of rotten infrastructure? The undermining of democratic institutions through money transfers and use of state assets, such as intelligence services to find compromising data on your political opponents? Invasion of neighbors and the seizure of sovereign territory? Massive military support of fascist regimes such as Assad and whatever other monster might serve their interest? Putin offers a contribution of poison to the world. gently caress him!

clinton bad russia bad

stomps feet

Fiction posted:

I have Hilary brain AIDS and I love to draw attention away from the wing of the party that gave us trump

Gringostar posted:

second one

vietnam was a massive black eye to the us on the world stage

plus vietnam was being supported more by china then russia so it was a win/win for them to keep it going

plus the whole cuban missile crisis that LBJ was vice president during

comedyblissoption posted:

let's offer no vision, no platform, and no message. this worked absolutely wonderfully for the democrats in the 2016 elections, so let's repeat this strategy. russian hysteria and negative trump messaging will surely work this time

comedyblissoption posted:

you make republicans and trump the obstacles to progressive change so that people throw them out and vote for you. forcing trump to veto progressive legislation would be a huge win.

right now, the democrats are the obstacles to progressive change

a huge amount of voters identify as independent instead of democrat since the 2008 elections because they are becoming disillusioned with the party

Terror Sweat posted:

people are more upset about russians doing some nebulous hacking and stealing this election than they were when george bush literally stole the election in 2000

Alienwarehouse posted:

From things that poor people care about, such as healthcare, social security, unions, and SNAP.

But yeah, Putin hacked my Obamacare account.