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That Nybeth fight is a kick in the balls. It has to be one of the top five toughest fights in the game, maybe top 3 if you don't level up at all before you fight him. Glad to see someone take up LUCT again. Love this game.
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theshim posted:do the words "death march" have any meaning to you I have played through this game god knows how many times and never had to do the death march. (Also if he's doing law, it doesn't matter). All you need to do to get that character is play through most of the last chapter, and do all the side quests with the "correct" answers. It will make your rating high enough to succeed in the event provided you did your level grinding in the woods and not on the overworld.
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FairGame posted:Save her. It wouldn't be Tactics Ogre without intensely difficult NPC rescue missions,
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mauman posted:
Helping her is being mean to Tithin
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Apr 19, 2017 14:40
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Naked Canopus with a lobber and healing itema. That is what you need for most of the suicidal AI missions. Of course if you are going for a no incap title run then you just lost a little more of your sanity.
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If you don't kill the civilians then who will? You understand This also spares you from an ill advised death march much later in game
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theshim posted:How easy it is for one to speak of sacrifice while spilling another's blood. How necessary, and expedient it may seem, to win a war bought with the lives of others. Oh god, I forgot about that one. I usually think of the rescue mission of the chapter 4 sidequest person as "the worst ever" because even my post game party had trouble with it from time to time.
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May 15, 2017 14:44
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I mean we are only killing old people, and old people in JRPGs exist only to either die or be bad rear end blind swordsmen. I don't see a oroblem with our choice. 
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mauman posted:Yeah. Vyce exists to be your foil. It's spoilers but it's also for chaos which is a totally different story so ???, but Chaos Vyce has possibly one of the top 3 one time portraits in the game. And really I get why people dislike Chaos Vyce, but he's way more effective than most average JRPG nuisance villans.
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May 22, 2017 19:03
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Valks become a much better class in the late game for three reasons. 1 - you obtain weapons that increase your augment [element] skill up. This increases the matching elemental magic and damage from elemental weapons tremendously. 2 - elemental summon spells 3 - the skill that lets you turn tp into hp. However early game, a light elemental valk is awesome because I believe they can learn and cast boon of swiftness which is p. Useful.
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May 24, 2017 18:23
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Junpei posted:So... can someone explain what makes crafting in this game so terrible? The facg that you can't skip the crafting animation on the pot. So while that's really only 3 seconds or so, things like a single wootz steel ignot might take 20 to 30 steps to make. Then of course you can fail crafting too, so it becomes a matter of save summing. It just becomes incredibly tedious, but like a lot of people, I have found the trick is (if you don't use cheats on a psp or emulator) is to use muscle memory and craft a ton of boring components while watching TV or something.
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May 25, 2017 21:18
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Recruit him I have an irrational love for Xapan.
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RareAcumen posted:How does that work? Do you just have to use spells enough and reach a certain level? No, it's simply a matter of buying a spell scroll, and having the character you want to use the spell learn the spell. Then, provided thr character meets the required level for that spell, he or she can cast it. Basically to cast a spell in TO, you need to pass the following checklist Can my class use spells of this element (divine, dark, fire, water, etc) Y/N? Can my class use this type of magic (missile, indirect, status) Y/N? Does my character have the corresponding magic slotted into one of it's 10 ability slots? (Divine, dark,fire, water, etc) Y/N? Does my character's class level meet the minimum required level to cast this spell? Y/N? Do I currently have enough MP to cast the spell in question (15 mp for t1 missile, 30 for t2 missile, etc) Y/N? Is there a valid target in range? Y/N? Provided all of those qualifications are satisfied, you cast the spell. There is a lot more to how much damage is done and the percent chance of the spell inflicting status effect, but this will cover things now. Edit: One last important thing to note: Any character regardless of class/level/element can cast a spell from a scroll in battle. The characters stats are used to determine damage and effectiveness, but if you have the scroll, you can cast the spell once in battle. The character then "learns" that spell and the scroll is consumed. waah fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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I know we made all the characters we would ever need since uniques are better than generics in almost every way, but I wish we had made a hammer weilding warrior by the name of Grabthar.
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There are like 3 generic classes worth getting even with uniques out and about. I gushed in the previous thread about fairy rogues. That choice is debatable for a lot of people. Lamia's have a class that we havent seen yet that is one of the top tier magic user classes in the game because of how tough they are and tge types of magic they can use. There is a special late game class that only generics can become. In a normal playthrough they are middling. In a playthrough where you have plans for this character from the minute you start a new game, they become gods. Dragons. With the way the class level system works, if you recruit 3-4 dragons for your army and keep them all the same class you can fill out numbers for smaller maps. Then by the time you level to level 20 or so through three element types, your dragons on AI can grind levels for all the random new classes for the uniques you get along the way.
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Tin Can Hit Man posted:I think it wouldn't be half as jarring if we didn't know how far the other way he skews should one choose the alternative. If Vyce had been less of an unrepentant maniac in the Chaos path and instead fit closer to the role Denam takes when he chooses Law, then I think he could have been a much better foil. I can see this point, but I disagree. Make Chaos Vyce too much like the Denam and it becomes almost a palette swapped (for lack of better terms) story. Besides, the best bits of this remake are the mid battle banters which really give some amazing insults. I am so giddy for a certain battle in chapter 3 if we go that route.
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Either grinded too much or chaos frame is a son of a bitch. Edit: Also loyalty took a major hit for that unit because we are on the law path and that unit is chaotic.
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Real talk, if you are playing through the game for the first time and you are worried about loyalty or hate the loyalty mechanic there are a few ways to get around it. Don't massacre everyone when you do story levels Fairly self explanatory. Your loyalty drops when your unit strikes the killing blow on an enemy unit of the same faction. Equip the anatomy skill Most enemies you fight will be human, especially during the main story line. This all changes post game, but there are still a lot of enemies where anatomy will matter. As you increase your rank skill, loyalty goes up by 10 points or so. That's a big jump. Collect Joker and Lovers tarot cards They can increase loyalty 1-5 points per card. One or two maps could easily fix your loyalty problems for the rest of the game Use and abuse the monster/demi-human classes Dragons are so good. Equip truestrike on them always. Golems are pretty good, also do true strike. Lamia Matriarchs are one of the better magic classes in the game, recruit one. Lizardmen juggernauts are pretty fun to use. Recruit one. Fairy rogues and familiars are interesting to use. Never recruit a Bakram generic Pay attention when you recuit or persuade generics. Never take on Bakram since in my opinion there are too many story units that are Bakram and their loyalty will tank. If you ever see the rare generic units from nations we haven't seen named yet, hire them and never worry about loyalty. Try to avoid having a focused murder team While having the bare minimum units is far more efficient because they level faster, and you can focus on gaining skills for them faster, it also makes those units death machines, and thus more likely for the power classes to continue to get death blows.
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Duke Ronwey must have done something right (well... terribly wrong by most stsndards) that there is only one black person on the entire island.
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Noooooooo you gotta do the other battle and have Canopus in your party. The banter in that battle is some of my favorite in the whole game.
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Sorry, maybe I got it mixed up. I screenshotted this about 2 years ago, and I know it's on that map. Maybe I got the timelines mixed up. The conversation that leads up to this comment is what I am referring to.  Second edit: It IS Chapter 3 Law, but it only triggers if you have Xapan and we don't. Doh! Sorry for the wild goose chase. Edit: Quoting latest update on first post of new page. tithin posted:Episode 5 - Alt. Scaling the Wall & The Fall of House Didaro waah fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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: You are not the first Didarro I have met this day.
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Bifauxnen posted:Jeez Catiua it's not like he voted Trump or nothin We're gonna build a wall and make Galgastan pay for it.
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It takes a lot of CHARIOTing, but Oz drops some really cool gear this fight at higher levels. One of the items is the Alluring Corset because Oz also likes to feel pretty.
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FairGame posted:I'd love to see the end game coda, because I've never seen it before. Played the PSX game to death, but the coda's entirely new content. I finally did it this year. It was worth it as a mega fan, but I wouldn't have been able to do the coda without copious abuse of using the AI to auto battles without pits. There are 4 "episodes" to the post game. Parts 2 and 4 will make you very happy as someone who played a ton of TO on PSX. There is also a certain fight that almosf made me break my Vita. I thought everyone was exaggerating how hard the fight is. They are not. It is miserable.
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tithin posted:I've heard of that fight. I don't know much about the CODA, but I had heard that No. That fight wasn't any worse than some of the harder ones in the game. The one I am talking about involves a suicidal AI. Major spoilers here The fight where you rescue Warren at the end of episode 2 of the Coda is awful. Just awful. Warren is suicidal AI. He starts off by himself waaay far away from your party. Oh and the majority of enemy units are dopplegangers so the OP dudes you've been grinding all game one shot Warren. But there is still an actual boss to beat so you can't just bring trash. Bringing a full army of 12 is a trap imo. If Warren dies it's instant game over. He dies a lot. I did it by doing the tried and true suicidal AI method, naked Canopus and naked Ravness as decoys along with 5 of my other best characters with no magic and no projectile weapons. I was doing this while going for the No CHARIOT title. Let's not talk about how many attempts it took to do so. I felt like Shiny Ponyta kid when I finally beat it, but without SUM41 playing. Edit: I'll try to take a picture of some of the stats of my units after uhhh... lets just say many... hours of play. waah fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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mauman posted:
Yeah man, that ending is absolutely brutal. One of the better bad endings in gaming for sure.
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Andyzero posted:Sure! You guys can see the actual ending starting at 1:17:35 in this video. https://youtu.be/WDd1FESCxwA
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i shall do what i must We already massacred a town and (minor spoilers in case I got my timelines mixed up) a pregnant pirate woman . Might as well fight your sister.
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tithin posted:Hey y'all, Uhhhh if you are trying to recruit Oz, I got very bad news for you... If you mean Ozma then I understand. Waterwalk and cloud walk work wonders for that map fyi.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Please show off Ozma rampage in the next episode. The problem is that he needs to grind her up to proper level. I always kept Ozma with whips but I'm also a purist with some stuff. Since she has her own unique weapon and her own unique finisher, I just had to keep her that way. With that said Ozma with a cursed weapon is just not fair. Edit: explanation- cursed weapons are essentially weightless, so your characters act more often. And one of the fastest, if not the fastest, characters in the game going more often is just absurd.
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tithin posted:Wow ok, looks like I desperately misunderstood scavenging. I can't scavenge spells, only skills. You have plenty before it's lost forever though. Two things matter. Denam's class level and the generics you bring with you. So if you have Denam on one of his unique classes and say 6 cloud dragons at level 24, then you would be eligible to get the drop for decoy. Also as far as scavenging enemy units that you recruit in battle: only the first 4 skill slots will come with the character when you recruit them. Meaning if enemy warrior has hammers level 4 in slot 1, then you could kill that character off and give hammers level 4 to a better character of the same race (human, lizard, hawkman etc.) But TO is very much an rear end in a top hat like Stormfront, there is no mixing of the races when you want to scavenge. If there is something good in slots 5-10 like augment earth level 5, then too bad you are SOL. When you do a friendly character though that you have trained up, all skills will transfer and high level skills will be automatically applied.
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So the thing about Andoras is that he's awesome, but there was a subtle but significant change to his sprite. You see, Andoras in the original TO was darker. A lot darker. Meaning the only dark skinned person in the game is a warrior from Nidhame. A country full of people like him who are enslaved....  Oh Japan
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mauman posted:
You don't get why it's less than ideal that the one black person in the entire game is a former slave from an enslaved nation?  Edit: Imma let this one go y'all. My fault for the tangent And yes, sometimes you get some good dialogue from characters that would normally never talk to each other once you get WORLD. Notable example is the neutral exclusive characters and the Palace of the Dead. waah fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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There just isn't a big enough variety of fusils in game to make them "good". They also suffer from mostly having a lack of elemental affinities. And augment element becomes a decent portion of your damage output as the game goes on. It's also impossible (or highly improbable) to make a fusil that matches the element of the best fusil finisher. Edit: I don't remember him doing the pirate stuff and at this point it's too late to get him without basically restarting chapter 4. The good thing is that you dont have to do one of the top 5 hardest battles in the game. waah fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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For as much hate as Catiua gets, seeing all the time lines and knowing that she basically has PTSD, makes her probably my favorite tragic hero in a JRPG.
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Shitenshi posted:I guess what bothered me is that Catiua always gives Denam a whole lot of poo poo for trying to stop Fantasy Hitler. And yes, Balbatos is Fantasy Hitler, to the point that the original translation called places like Balmamusa concentration camps and referred to his policies as ethnic cleansing. So while choosing to go Law and kill the whole lot of them is without a doubt a bad thing to do, it feels like a last ditch tactic to stop more killing, especially by Ch3, where the reins of power have shifted and there's one last chance to put an end to it all. It makes no sense until you've met enough hosed up people in real life who always seem to make horrible decisions when things are going right for them. Basically go read classic E/N posts and realise that mindset is Catiua. But instead of a self diagnosis of Aspergers or complete lack of self awareness, Catiua lives with the fact that she saw genocide and murder first hand. mauman posted:THAT we can agree on. The JRPG hero and his foil always reconcile right before the final boss or the end of the World. Being that I am short on ultimate evils Japanese bad guys at the moment, I guess this means Best Korea is gonna bomb us next week. Been a good run my dude. 
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Hey Tithin, make sure you make a separate save and kill off Catiua before the next major story portion. Heim . It's a special battle that will not occur any other way. It's not particularly noteworthy other than the fact that it's a special battle.
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tithin posted:I just checked and my last manual save was at the uh, decision to have Catiua kill herself or not. If that's your last manual save spot you are good. Also my fault on the city. It's Oeram Just make a manual save before you go to Oeram and then have Catiua lose all of her hearts in random battles. Then go to Oeram Also, I don't know what your plans are for Deneb but if you plan on getting her special class you have to do it the first time through the game. You can not get the Wicce class for her on secondary play throughs.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:The Palace of the Dead is what finally got me to put down the game, and I legitimately did the Galgastani Death March because I am a moron who loves necromancers. I can't say this enough, you don't actually need to death march 90% of the time. You can get special character though enough choices in the story to prevent death march. Some of the story choices we haven't touched yet though so I'll hold off. But honestly if you are death matching you are doing it wrong.
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