Qrr posted:

So if this scene was real and the Ange stuff was real (admittedly some pretty big ifs), then that means the gold must also have been real. Because Eva wasn't living in a gutter somewhere after someone came by to call in Krauss's debts.

Qrr posted:

I think you're underestimating how much debt Krauss is in and what the kind of people he's borrowing from would do to get their payments. Especially after the mansion that he gave them mysteriously burned down.

CottonWolf posted:

No-one can mistake Kinzo, but we have no proof that anyone ever saw him either. Right after that it all gets magic weird. It's more parsimonious to just say that scene never happened at all. No-one mistook Kinzo because no-one saw Kinzo in the first place.

idonotlikepeas posted:

I was thinking of Ange blasting through a window at the exact right moment to keep him from signing away victory, but actually you could cast that as part of Bernkastel's plan, so I'll withdraw that objection for now

MonsterEnvy posted:

I don't think that would be the case. Battler was never aware of the Beatrice thing and has no connection to it as she died before he was born.

Added on the current Beatrice stated last game she did not exist until 6 years ago.

Qrr posted:

Hmm. Some of those red texts refer to Beato and some to "this child". I don't think we have any red text to say that those are the same person.

Also, I don't like Battlers logic. Beatrice doesn't care if the epitaph is solved so she doesn't care about the epitaph murders. Sure, she probably doesn't care if the murders follow the epitaph, but that doesn't mean she doesn't care about the murders at all. Also, the epitaph murders happen regardless of if the epitaph is solved - see Eva's ascendance.

RedMagus posted:

The original name of that one was "Ten Little Indians" which changed due to the negative racial connotations, though I forget if the poem was changed as well. I know Suchet did the Poirot film versions, but is there a good film adaptation of it?

CottonWolf posted:

Oh! I thought she was literally a self-insert.

CottonWolf posted:

Yeah. This can't last. At some point presumably the game has to remember that Beato's very probably a member of Battler's family, and at the very least has performed/orchestrated the deaths of his relatives multiple times. They can't North Wind and the Sun us twice.

tiistai posted:

That's not much of a blue when "the witch wasn't involved in the murders" is the whole point the human side is trying so hard to prove.

alcharagia posted:

Me rn http://polsy.org.uk/play/yt/?vurl=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FQEOy4zEVFoU

bman in 2288 posted:

Wow. Am I R07?

I don't recognize Auau.

thetruegentleman posted:

We've never actually seen Battler die either,

oath2order posted:

I mean, assuming this is the same Amakusa who terrorized 9 year old girls for the Japanese government in 1984 he's got at least 14 years combat experience at this point.

...Higurashi got weird, ok?

ProfessorProf posted:

If anyone's curious about the drop to MWF updates, it's, uh, definitely because of my health problems, and nothing else.

CottonWolf posted:

How much time could they have spent together? Battler was there for what, 2 or 3 days a year? I can see this being a much bigger deal for her than him if she only ever gets to see outside people once a year, but I'm not surprised Battler's memory of it isn't that strong.

Poltergrift posted:

Were the other cards assigned with reasonable character/arcana associations?

I'd look it up, but spoilers.

ZiegeDame posted:

.
e: I went looking through the archive for a CG of sad Beatrice alone in a hallway and, having failed to find it, am starting to wonder if I hallucinated the drat thing.

Cyouni posted:

My current assumption is that this is all basically just fanfiction Battler's being forced to read until he can prove he understands Beatrice. To do that, he has to acknowledge that he forgot his promise of six years ago, and remember and acknowledge who Beatrice is. The thing I can't understand is how the riddle ties into it, given that was the provided condition in the first to fourth games.

Tired Moritz posted:

I still want to believe in the Jessica=Beatrice theory.

Cyouni posted:

By that logic, you're forced to admit that Kyrie saw Eva BEATRICE and fought both stake sisters and rabbit soldiers with magic arrows. Or that we can just assume George, Jessica, Shannon, and Kanon are the killers this time around and call it a day. Or that Kanon came back to life and instantly cut both Nanjo and Kumasawa's throats before vanishing into golden butterflies.

tiistai posted:

resurgam40 posted:

Have I said that the soundtrack is shocking good for this episode? Because it is shocking good, this track, and the thing is, soundtrack as a whole hasn't really dipped below "pretty great" ever; I mean, I've played some VNs and generally speaking they all generally have one or two bangers or pieces that fit the theme well, but this soundtrack got hit after hit after hit... I don't suppose it's available anywhere commercially?

ZiegeDame posted:

It just occurred to me that because the game has been suspended, Erika can't even open the closet and see who is in there. A closed room that absolutely cannot be solved indeed

Confused Llama posted:

I get that, but then where did Shannon "go"? This is relevant to the argument about how Shannon and Kanon can each hold his or her own master key while each servant holds only one key.

ZiegeDame posted:

Ange would not be the first teenage girl Amakusa has been hired to kill.

CottonWolf posted:

Yeah, if you treat them as synonymous, there's no problem at all. Can any witches confirm or deny whether they used the same word in both lines in the Japanese? Googling seems like a sure fire way to spoil myself.