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Klaus and Petersen is my vote, though I'm tempted by the Ivanov offering so we can leave people wondering what Russian gunships are doing there.
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I would like to fly the transport planes. My name's Whiskey Delta 69.
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Those planes are going to be super vulnerable compared to the Gripens though. Don't think they even have an RWR or decoys. If engaged, odds are the pilot won't know it until too late.
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I vote for the 2 escorts, 1 strike plan using all Gripens. Are weather conditions permissible to use the Paveways from outside MANPADs range? I just am really hesitant to suggest using the 60's outside of stuff like interdiction of truck convoys or CAS for infantry versus rebels for one pass. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 22:53
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Tythas posted:Voting Operation Baracudda Same.
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There's room for attack helos, but with their inherently short range in a world where double digit SAM's are the norm their usefulness is very much up to the mission maker. There's a scenario for the Georgia War where you use Hinds to blast a mobile convoy for instance.
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Congrats on a mission well done! I say we rent out a spot at every career day and job fair we can at universities, malls, and fairgrounds, put a Sk60 on display with two attendants, and at least try and use them for advertising or recruiting some more guys for maintenance etc.
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Meteors are a world class missile. I can't really stress that enough. When the time comes to use them, they'll very seldom let us down. Definitely agreed on the Paveways though, that price can't be beat. And IRIS-T's are of course terrific. The Litening is a fantastic targeting pod, not so sure about the other option. The Bk90 is also quite a capable standoff weapon, but isn't a unitary HE warhead. They'd perform beautifully versus convoys, aircraft on taxiways etc though. Maybe even ok effects versus armor. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 16:35
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The Frogfoot is definitely a good choice I'd say. Especially after the patch when aircraft individual survivability is modelled and we get them coming back home torn up but still flying.
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The lack of anti radar missiles is a concern, yeah. We could triangulate the locations of emitting SAM batteries for standoff precision strike, but that takes expensive airframes to gather the Intel which necessitates an escort etc. That said, I like the suggestion for retired EA-6 Prowlers, possibly. ELINT, ECM and ECCM are all loving fantastic capabilites to have.
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It also is worth keeping in mind that what we have seen are some of the shittiest Chinese fighters. They have their own stuff on par with our Gripens, and stuff surpassing it. When we start seeing 27's pop up on our radar warnings then it's time to assume shits getting kicked up a notch. God forbid we see a <10> 
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Apr 4, 2017 18:36
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Triple A posted:You know, can we get our man in DC to lobby for the AGM-122B production getting greenlit? A sidewinder-sized ARM would be really nice. Possibly, but what threats would it be used against? They are quite short ranged. If we go for ARMs, I think it's going to necessitate AGM-88 at least. The older stuff was utterly garbage in contrast, American and Soviet alike. Edit: ^^ Good point on the Flankers. Don't think China really has any comparable missile to the Meteors either Still, Flankers will be much more likely to evade long range shots than their lesser peers we've seen, so they may warrant 2 shots per contact. Same for the J-10 I'd wager. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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The Sandman posted:Or even worse, if we start not seeing J-20s. To be honest, that'd be sweet as gently caress. Not for it's victims, but the "Oh poo poo" moment when it fires it's missiles, assumedly having snuck up on our AWACs or a tanker. Would necessitate restructuring our flights and electronics discipline at very least. Or buying off/investment in human intelligence to let us know when hostile aircraft depart their base.
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Wonder if the French are selling anything decent. Hell maybe the Canadians would sell some of their Hornets. But given the options, the Phantom can carry the most iron for strike operations. If they are indeed the upgraded Greek versions, we should be ok. Fitters could work, supply chain problems aside. We should have considered that when we bought Swedish though. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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I was thinking about a SAM battery as well. We probably won't be able to buy a Patriot or S-300 battery. And stuff like Buk, the later Hawk variants etc are probably not super suited to what we need, in addition to no doubt being insanely expensive. I think we'll have to postpone the idea for the time being.
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Crazycryodude posted:Oooo we should TOTALLY grab some UAV's. Also, if we buy the Greek Phantoms, can we fix them up to remove the failure chance? gently caress yeah. At that price we'd be good to go. Readiness issues aside, those F-4E's look good too. Shame those Flankers are beat to poo poo. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Apr 5, 2017 01:15
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The UAV should be able to stay out of Manpads range still just due to its sensors. We'd be using them to spot structure and moving targets I imagine. They'd be a valuable asset I think. Just saw the FA 50 can drop JDAMs. That's a possibly big deal. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Apr 5, 2017 01:21
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I call UAV operator 
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Are the Greeks willing to part with any ordnance for the Phantoms?
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RentACop posted:*smoky, crowded boardroom*
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The ships in question won't be overkilled by the anti ship missiles we have. They are impact high explosive and fragmentation. A Gripen per ship is good. These are the kind of ships the Swedes designed their doctrine around sinking :P I'd try and remain on station briefly too after to assure the ships are sinking. Dedicate the Sk60s and other Gripens for the main task. If possible keep an extra LGB Gripen on standby if the main force needs extra ordnance, or if a ship needs a little extra incentive to sink. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Apr 5, 2017 15:32
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Only Frogfoot concern is the armament
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Cathode Raymond posted:Yes to rifle mercs Yep! Nothing spots hidden SAM sites better than a dude 50 meters away hidden in a bush. Human intelligence is super valuable, and we could insert the ground dudes via airdrop a mission in advance for some recon work. Perfect job for a utility helo actually.
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chitoryu12 posted:Bacarruda Plan B Seconded.
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Little note, but those Verba SAMs that are suspected to be on board the freighters are cutting edge Russian MANPADS using multiple spectrums to filter out false contacts and decoys. Same principle as the modern US Stingers. A guy with those on the freighter deck would be able to make a pretty damning GoPro video of us losing all our Sk60s, had we sent them there. So good thing we didn't! Please make sure Jack pays his respects to Philadelphia Collins at the park. He was a true hero.
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We need the X-32.
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Any Hind D's?
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Lmao please no Yak-38
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Apr 8, 2017 00:14
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I deserved death. I was a transport pilot after all!
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What nailed me btw? I'm on a phone so can't read the log. Was it a gun kill? R-60?
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Oi vey!
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Quinntan posted:That's putting it mildly. Make sure to check this dude's post guys, OR SHARE MY WATERY GRAVE. From engaging J-20s in past campaigns, if we're lucky we'll see their radar toggle on. Good ELINT will categorize the radar, and we can cross reference that ingame to see if we're about to get dunked on. They aren't F-22 good, but they're definitely befitting of the 5th generation marketing tag. They are also suspected to have a strike capability, so even our ground crews are at stake. If we do detect a contact, but can't get an id within a reasonable range, then assuming the worst is better than the alternative. Bait them into a low probability shot by drawing away and hopefully get them to waste their Pl-12s. Never fought J-16s. Are they roughly Su-35 equivalents? If so, treat them with respect. Meteors will be key there, in a knife fight they'll eviscerate us. If the Meteor can interface with our AWACS then we can fire from far and go defensive, letting the datalinks lead em in. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Versus the 16 and 20, we'll definitely be better off hitting them on the ground. And it'd have to be decisive if so because there'd be hell to pay after.
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Wonder what a good ELINT plane would cost us. If we could catalogue emissions from the Chinese bsse we'd be better off. I don't think we're going to be able to counter the J-20 plane for plane. We have to make sure they aren't able to gently caress with us before they go gear up. Maybe get our infantry buddies to do some peeping to learn about who we're up against? Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Serpentis posted:Oh, good. I guess the Indians will at least be just as keen as us to try and deal with the J-20's asap. My thoughts exactly. The first shootdown of a brand new 5th generation fighter would be loving huge for us and India alike. EDIT: vv It couldn't hurt. We should be sure to distribute weapons in storage across multiple bunkers if possible or else we may get a rude surprise too. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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LostCosmonaut posted:haha holy poo poo goons started a war between the two most populous nations on Earth Not for long they won't be! 
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aphid_licker posted:Can't wait for the Chinese to lob a TBM with a payload of special sauce at our base as a little howyadoin Same. That and our first encounter with the J-20 should be amazing.
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Quinntan posted:The AGM-22 is the SS.11, a MCLOS (manually commanded line of sight) (!) missile with a wire going from the missile to the launch aircraft. Trying to aim a missile like that while stationary is hard enough as is, but trying to do it from an aircraft while maneuvering to avoid ground fire... how are you going to hit anything like that? Yeah the Magister would be just ever so slightly better than a Sk60, but still not really worth it.
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aphid_licker posted:I'd also prefer if we weighted our arms procurement efforts towards stuff you don't see that much like Mirages or something just for the coolness factor. We could be the terrorist guy from Die Hard: the PMC. Agreed on the French jets. I hope we can get some of the attack focused Mirage variants. 2000D maybe?
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Can't think of a NATO designated Soviet radar named Trash Can. Hmm... Maybe he auto corrected something else. EDIT: nm, good call Vando. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_passive_sensor I don't think those will provide a firing solution, but it'll let them know something is in the air and it's general area. Maybe theyre hoping IRST gear can detect them once they know the general area. Should be a wild fight though. Rafales and Super Flankers vs Mighty Dragons. Hopefully the Prowlers don't eat HoJ shots from them! Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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