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SF/F nerds who are almost strictly into it in the form of novels and prose fiction have a weird relationship with comics, and that's the audience mostly represented by the Hugos.
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I honestly am really not sure why the Hugos bothers to give awards to non-prose fiction stuff, they're so bad at it.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:04
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I'd say Marvel banks more on prestige runs. Walt Simonson's Thor, Jim Starlin's Warlock, Frank Miller's Daredevil, etc. The majority of Marvel's "bookstore graphic novel" type stuff that you could hand someone with no context usually spring out of those. Like Born Again, or Elektra Assassin. I know plenty of people who've read those two, deeply enjoyed them and don't give a poo poo about monthly superhero antics. In fact from my experience most people who like comics and say they don't like superheroes who aren't Comic Journal types really mean they don't like or want to follow monthly superhero books.Rhyno posted:Epic. Yeah, but I don't see Marvel putting out the Last American or Light and Darkness War trades for the bookstore market. In fact most of the notable Epic titles that have been reprinted like Dreadstar or Moonshadow have been through other publishers because Epic's stuff was full-on creator owned. But yes I'd say Epic qualifies as being similar to "Vertigo and their approach to storytelling". It was definitely part of the 80s Mature Readers Revolution and it's a shame that it's basically been forgotten. It was one of the better things Jim Shooter set in motion. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Apr 10, 2017 19:31
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Rhyno posted:Marvel was going to do a full Epic revival but the evolved into Trouble. Yeah, and it was telling that their lead to reviving their big creator owned mature readers line was a creepy comic about Aunt May's sex life. Since they can't really do anything non-superhero these days they should have done a Shadowline revival. In fact I'd kind of like to see that for real. But it would probably end up with Doctor Zero causing Civil War III.
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Apr 10, 2017 19:45
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Skwirl posted:loving lol. The vast majority of it was creator owned, and not in the company exclusive Vertigo way. Also Unlimited has no mature reader's content, so I don't think the few Epic books that were not creator owned and have been folded into other lines like Elektra Assassin or Elektra Lives Again would be on Unlimited.
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Apr 10, 2017 19:51
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Wheat Loaf posted:However, I remember reading about this indie comic that had the same gimmick, except they made an effort to incorporate the hole on every page of their book (e.g. a vase being smashed where the bullet hole would be) and they did different variants including a "guaranteed unreadable" one they made with a shotgun. You probably read this Comic Book Legends Revealed column http://www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-303/ TLDR it was Shannon Wheeler, the Too Much Coffee Man guy, shooting an anthology comic, Jab #3. e: gently caress, beaten like a redheaded stepchild 
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Apr 10, 2017 20:52
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Edge & Christian posted:Giant awesome effortpost about Malibu/Scott Rosenberg stuff I'll never forgive Malibu for destroying Canada's own Aircel  How am I supposed to read Barry Blair elfsex comics now!?I have that Dylan Dog Casefiles book Dark Horse put out awhile back, it's a good comic and it sucks that this shitbag is holding back more reprints.
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Apr 10, 2017 22:31
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Anything that gives Tom Scioli work is absolutely essential.
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Apr 10, 2017 23:03
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There's also the fact that the title "Epic" is now being used for Marvel's replacement for the Essentials line.joehonkie posted:I feel like American Barbarian and Final Frontier are legit good and everything else he's done is bad or "so-bad-it's-good." Never has a more incorrect post been made in this forum. 
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Apr 10, 2017 23:11
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joehonkie posted:You don't want another American Barbarian? You are ill, sir. Of course I do. But your statement about the rest of Scioli's work is a strong falsehood. I mean have you read Godland?
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Apr 11, 2017 00:21
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joehonkie posted:If you would notice the edit to my post, I have not and probably ought to. It's amazing. i guess you don't like Transformers vs GI Joe though. I saw the glory and the light when I read that comic.
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Apr 11, 2017 00:27
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Rhyno posted:That's stupid. If they'd issue a statement people could stop asking about it. I feel like it's one of those situations where admitting anything could be a liability. But I guess a blanket "We cannot discuss the Malibu situation" statement might work. But it wouldn't prevent anyone from asking.
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Apr 11, 2017 01:02
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Rhyno posted:It's probably not Todd, there's probably something going on with Warrior and/or Mick Anglo. So Todd McFarlane, because Dez Skinn gave Eclipse the rights to all the Quality Communications/Warrior stuff.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:25
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Endless Mike posted:So if they're expecting them to sell similarly to Vertigo titles, they're doing well, but I have no idea what DC's expectations are for the YA line. I assume to generate some material to package for the bookstore/trade market.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:29
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Never forget this about McFarlane
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Apr 11, 2017 04:51
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I'm a comics socialist who cannot abide unvarnished praise of Stan Lee and even I think that's savage as gently caress.
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Apr 11, 2017 10:35
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Isn't Strong Female Protagonist one of those things that tries to make fun of/be "realistic" about superheroes but ends up just being a sub-par example of the genre? Like Worm or some poo poo.
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Apr 11, 2017 20:14
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JordanKai posted:All I'm taking away from this is that not enough people are reading Astro City. < I'm going to guess that's definitely a book that sells better in trades in general. Timeless Appeal posted:Also, honestly, I hope that Chris Sims just sticks to his podcasts and writing comics. I like the guy but I feel like Comics Alliance allowed him to indulge himself in his own interests as opposed to someone like Collins or Cereno who I think did a much better job at shaping an identity for the site. I enjoyed his insane episode guides to Power Rangers and X-Men the Animated Series and always thought it was great that he actually got paid for that poo poo. I hope he continues to do them pro bono. And Ask Chris gave me something to point at for the inevitable person who treats "Why doesn't Batman just donate all his money to charity to stop crime?" as a megaburn instead of just a conversation starter, and I'll always be grateful for that. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sims was on Cracked for a while, wasn't he? He wrote a handful of articles when AOL closed Comics Alliance, yeah.
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Apr 11, 2017 22:08
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muscles like this! posted:I signed up for Marvel Unlimited and while reading the comics works out really well they need to work on their backend and give it some kind of structure. Because just going through a big alphabetical list of every series on the service kind of sucks. I love that iconic storylines are collected as the original issues, that's how most people read them today after all.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:43
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yo Sean Spicer is the protagonist.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:32
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Pretty sure Nick Spencer is gonna do some stupid poo poo that's a hamfisted metaphor for all the political nonsense going on in the world today that he thinks is a super, super clever reversal of all the Nazi Cap stuff and he'll be all "Now wasn't that payoff worth it guys?" and everyone will be "gently caress no" and in response Marvel will launch an X-Men Gold/Blue style back to basics meat and potatoes Captain America where he's punching Nazis.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:25
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X-O posted:I'm not going to argue that point with you. I completely understand why people don't like it or want to read it. Personally I'm a fan of the inversion trope in comics and I love when by circumstance a hero is forced to be a villain and villain is forced to be a hero. I loved how this story started out in Cap's book but the middle kind of lost me with the last few issues getting me back into it. I clearly see why a lot of people don't like it though so I wouldn't try to argue that the story is worth reading to someone who has written it off. I do feel that it's kind of important to get the details of it right though when talking about it whether you like it or not. I prefer when like, the Sandman realizes being a villain is dumb rather than a space cube making Captain America Actually, A Nazi All Along
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Apr 13, 2017 23:44
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Aphrodite posted:Sounds like they're Nazis but just don't hate the jews because that would be problematic for Cap. Like the modern white supremacists who are all "Wait a minute. We can team up with Israel to kill Muslims!" I say this as a Jew myself btw.
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Apr 14, 2017 00:53
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Clearly you've never seen the hostility bi people encounter from some parts of they gay community For example, our very own Three Olives
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Apr 14, 2017 04:06
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CapnAndy posted:Very, very badly. Like, look at this poo poo. Seems like that's one of those you know, jokes.
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Apr 14, 2017 05:05
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haitfais posted:In this case the definition would be "not published or acknowledged by the company that owns the intellectual property," and is far from arbitrary. All fiction featuring characters and concepts not created by the original creator, that is done by someone who has even a cursory interest in them, is fanfiction. Just accept it.
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Apr 14, 2017 20:05
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I don't have any strong opinions on fan fiction either way, and I don't really adhere to that belief since it actually makes fan fiction less distinctive but it's a good argument to use against assholes who yell at fan fiction writers because their work is "not legitimate"
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Apr 14, 2017 20:21
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haitfais posted:The best argument against those assholes is a block button, not easily debunked nonsense. If you're actually trying to get them to stop bullying 12 year old girls who are just starting to explore creative writing, especially IRL, it isn't. Then again, its not like they're going to listen anyway so you're probably right.
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Apr 14, 2017 20:22
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haitfais posted:There are probably one or two, but I'm pretty sure Lightning Lord wasn't talking about creators. There are plenty of assholes on the internet willing to say horrible things to kids who dare to have Unapproved Fun with their fandom. Yep. Plus I've worked with kids in the past and they're quite willing to give each other poo poo IRL for this sort of thing, and it can be really discouraging for some. Endless Mike posted:I only acknowledge X-Men comics where they are all hedgehogs. The animals or male adult actors?
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haitfais posted:Guess what was never officially acknowledged in the comics Claremont was writing, or by the company he was writing them for? That's why the distinction isn't arbitrary. It was subtext, which could (and maybe should,) have found its way into the actual story, but didn't. Claremont's X-Men headcanon stopped mattering when he stopped writing X-Men. I think Claremont's headcanon is pretty important That would be like saying "Jack Kirby's headcanon about Orion stopped mattering when he stopped writing the New Gods" and if that doesn't feel like blasphemy, you're comic book fanning wrong. CharlestheHammer posted:Subtext is just as valid as overt heavy handedness. Yeah thinking otherwise basically comic nerd stuff about like if continuity or canon counts or matters or if someone really died but applied to relationships, kinda funny. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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EDIT: Somehow, I hosed up
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Edge & Christian posted:Also if someone digs up a Jack Kirby interview where he says "I always envisioned the ending of my Fourth World Saga to be Orion killing Darkseid, then Superman, then marrying Lois Lane and sending their own son Bruce Wayne back in time with the omega effect" that doesn't mean that canonically Darkseid is dead, nor that Orion married Lois Lane, or is Batman's dad. I am not a Claremont expert, so maybe there's just a poo poo ton of published subtext about their relationship the way there is about (say) Mystique and Destiny, but a writer of anything non-creator-owned who talks about what they thought maybe they'd do isn't exactly fan fiction but it also isn't "canonical" in a way that really lends any meaning to the word at all. Unless it's canon that Luke Skywalker is named Luke Starkiller because I mean technically framer's intent so both names are officially canon. Yeah but I'm sure you'd agree that despite it being work for hire, Claremont's word and opinion on the X-Men holds more value than Scott Lobdell's. Not that I'm saying you're implying that theyre equal.
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purple death ray posted:Hot take though using corporate ownership as your barometer for what's "real" in a madeup funnybook universe is a laughably pathetic position to hold and an ultimately insignificant side-effect of the horrific state of late-stage capitalism! Agreed.  to tyrants.Also it was good to look at when Kirby and then Adams were drawing it, otherwise agreed. Well, there's Morrison and the likes of Jason Aaron and Si Spurrier.
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