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That DICK! posted:In retrospect showing the insurance person convo as the final scene of that episode a few back makes way more sense now. Jimmy won in court and Chuck could have lived but Jimmy had to twist the knife. Way more powerful looking back One way I think Howard could come back into the story next season: Howard feels guilty because he sees his actions regarding the insurance snafu as being what drove Chuck to suicide. Howard confides in Jimmy about this, perhaps at Chuck's funeral, which is how Jimmy finds out that him screwing over Chuck at the end of "Expenses" is what triggered that chain of events.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:They need to jump past BB and make the show about Gene and his arc of redemption. Maybe season 5? I don't think they can keep threading water like that, the ratings are really bad. Season 4 needs to be done with Jimmy. We still need to find out why Jimmy gets rid of his cocobolo desk and replaces it with Kim's when he moves into his strip mall location. We can't move on until we know this. maskenfreiheit posted:I think you'll find the ultimate fault lies with the man who, rather than check himself into a mental institution ala Healey from OITNB, instead chooses to set himself on fire. I don't think suicidal people can really be held accountable for their suicidal actions. That doesn't mean it's anyone else's fault either, of course.
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Jun 21, 2017 17:24
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:The ultimate fault lies with Jimmy who was an enabler for Chuck's delusions all those years. If he had just made him go to a psychiatrist or demonstrated to him conclusively that his lepton allergy is psychosomatic, Chuck wouldn't have lost three years of his life. Jimmy sucks. Same goes for Howard who also enabled him. Of course Jimmy's intentions were pure, as usual. He didn't want Chuck to suffer in a mental institution. He thought it was better for him to be at home and comfortable. Ironically, it's only when his intentions are less than pure that he ends up doing the right thing by Chuck by refusing to humor in his delusion, spurring him to seek mental treatment.
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Jun 21, 2017 17:40
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Sagebrush posted:you're a real winner I have a friend who concedes that Skyler was always in the right but still thinks that within the structure of the show Skyler was a "villain" who you were supposed to hate. But even that doesn't make sense because even if you take Walt's point of view, he never, ever hated her. He got frustrated with her sometimes for thwarting his criminal activities, but she was never a villain in his eyes. There's no rational way to watch the show and come away hating Skyler, not even if you're totally pro-Walt. That's what's so baffling about the whole thing.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:25
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RJWaters2 posted:https://twitter.com/MJMcKean/status/833350083886379008 I looked up that TMBG song on YouTube and this is one of the first comments: quote:At the last TMBG show I went to, Linnell said it's about a band who is getting older and keep saying that this is their last tour, but then never really retire. He compared this song to the longevity of The Rolling Stones. So clearly this is a hidden message from Michael McKean about how Chuck is still alive and will use his new lease on life to re-join Spinal Tap and go on a world tour with Rebecca as the band's newly added violinist.
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Jun 21, 2017 20:50
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Sagebrush posted:There was definitely something running in Chuck's house -- unless the spinning wheel was just a hallucination, which I think it very well could be since the numbers themselves don't change from shot to shot. If it was a small current then it might take a while for the number to change, no? Anyway, I don't think it matters what was drawing current and I seriously doubt we'll ever find out.
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Jun 23, 2017 19:31
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Restrained Crown Posse posted:I'd say that clip is backing up their point. It's a "why not?" It's absolutely not a "Why not?" This is a common defense of Saul's actions, but it doesn't line up with either the acting, the context, or the intent of the lines at all. He repeatedly suggests that they just kill Badger, even long after Walt and Jesse have solidly committed to the Jimmy In-'N-Out plan. Saul really doesn't want to do their plan because it's so risky and hard to pull off in comparison to a simple prison shanking. Then later he suggests killing Jesse, who's similarly about to snitch. Saul has no problem having snitches killed. It's a tool of the criminal lawyer trade.
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Jun 25, 2017 18:22
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:What annoys me more is when people talk about Walt/Heisenberg like a Jekyll and Hyde thing. "Oh when he said this he was Walt, but later when he said this he was Heisenberg." This is sort of true, though. There's a Walt aspect to his personality and there's a Heisenberg aspect to his personality. For example when he's doing his whole "I'm the one who knocks" speech that's him consciously putting on Heisenberg. That's not what Walt is actually like. Walt is meek and impotent and a loving coward, but Heisenberg is a cool, calculating badass who stares down homicidal drug lords and forces them to say his name. Heisenberg is a character Walt constructs in order to survive in the criminal world, but he also increasingly comes to represent the repressed aspects of Walt's personality, the person who Walt always wanted to be but never had the courage to self-actualize into becoming. Jekyll and Hyde is about the exact same ideas and concepts, so it's weird to me that people always bring it up as some sort of a contrast to stories like Breaking Bad, as if there's some sort of fundamental difference between the two simply because Walt doesn't literally down a potion and physically transform into a different entity. I don't understand why people have such a hard time with the use of alter-egos as a storytelling device in fiction.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:16
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BiggerBoat posted:Same. Seems obvious to me that Walt and Heisenberg were pretty separate and that one was just what the character eventually became due to his sickness, his crimes, his fears and his sense of having nothing to lose once he becomes sick and desperate. Walt devolves over the course of 5 or 6 seasons and I wouldn't ever argue that what he became was "always who he was" at all. Similar to Jimmy really because it seems like they share the same motivations (desperation, having nothing to lose, constantly getting hosed over) and are at the core of how Jimmy eventually devolves into Saul. They also both shovel on piles of rationalization and denial for the things they do in response to the things that happen to them. It's interesting in Breaking Bad how, in the beginning, Walt always puts on black clothes when he wants to become Heisenberg, in order to signify that he's no longer Walter White. But in Season 5, when Walt makes a conscious decision to stop being Heisenberg for good, he conspicuously starts wearing all white clothing. By that point, it's as if Heisenberg has become the default self, and so instead of Walter White having to put on Heisenberg, Heisenberg now has to put on Walter White. Of course it's all just semantics. Heisenberg and Walter White are obviously really the same person, sharing in common their self-destructive pride, but it's thematically useful and compelling to conceptualize his two personas as being a Jekyll/Hyde-type split personality. And the same goes for Jimmy and Saul. All this stuff really is is a meditation on the nature of identity, and how identity is constructed. Jimmy undergoes such a drastic identity shift that, like Walt, he starts responding to a different name.
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Jun 28, 2017 21:24
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Blazing Ownager posted:I think Walt did, it's clear he was far more ambitious and prideful before his life took a detour into tedium and resentment. Walt was always a prideful mess, but at the start of the series he was a guy who at least had something of a moral center. He fundamentally wasn't the kind of guy who would be morally capable of poisoning a child or killing eleven people without a second thought. Remember, even when it comes to Jane, his natural first instinct is to reach towards her to save her life, and he only stops himself when he realizes that letting Jane die will likely save Jesse's life, and the decision he makes is one that visibly tears him up inside. It wasn't as simple as Walt always being this inhuman monster, but simply being held back by family and societal obligations. It's something he turns into, as a result of a series of gradual and increasingly poor choices he makes. But his fundamental flaw of pride was always there, just like Jimmy's fundamental flaws were always there.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:39
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Kurtofan posted:is chuck ok He's alive and well in Mexico.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:23
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Jimmy's exaggerated thinky face is hilarious.
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Jul 3, 2017 16:01
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I actually enjoyed Seasons 1 and 2 slightly more than 3.
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ditty bout my clitty posted:That is the craziest thing I've read on this subforum, and there are posts from people enjoying the 100 here. I don't get why it's such a weird opinion. Do people think the first two seasons were bad or something? Season 3 is very good, but compared to the first two seasons it feels like they had to move things very quickly in certain directions to get characters to particular places, whereas the first two seasons seemed to just flow more naturally and let the characters go where the story took them. I also don't think there's yet been another scene as good as the one in the first season where Chuck tells Jimmy he's not a real lawyer. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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