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Lmfao at JeffersonClay's lovely rear end still posting here. Have a little shame bro.
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Remember how smug the Hillary dorks were during the primaries and general election. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Jul 27, 2017 21:20
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Anyway seeing the usual suspects poo poo on TNC over the past couple days is kinda hilarious.
True to leftist stereotypes about “I’m colorblind and we need to focus on economic matters” white racial privilege
Yeah, it's hilarious dude. The way the country is going is totally owning economic leftists- badass!
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Sep 9, 2017 19:09
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Like I said, Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general for 2020.
I can’t imagine spending the next 4 years whining about the centrists and then having to vote for Harris or Booker.
And didn’t you literally emigrate last year to France because of the election? I’m surprised you feel attached to American politics.
Oh sorry I shouldn't have replied to you.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:10
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The difference is when a union withholds their labor, the business is shut down and it has a noticeable effect. When the left withholds their votes, they just get lumped in with the other 50% of the country that doesn't bother voting. I'm not saying you need to vote for Hillary, but not voting gets you nowhere.
I mean the current atmosphere for progressive/socialist politics in America proves you wrong.
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Sep 16, 2017 23:36
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Is the name actually ironic or is this always the "gently caress democrats" thread?
Primary season is the time to take your party to task over being lovely, no in the general. Ceding control of the federal government to the party of "dismantle government now" is one of the worst possible outcomes I can imagine.
So Hilary is a neocon hawk piece of poo poo, so what? 4 more years of "Just War Theory" residing in the whitehouse would be better than 4 years of "Just War theories, folks. Only the best, most tremendous war theories."
There were good things and bad things about Hillary Clinton losing to Donald Trump.
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edit: Just in the interests of being as honest as possible, I'll admit I'm biased in the sense that I knew and was the sort of person with the intentions described, and so when I see posts like yours I can see myself making the exact same arguments in the past. I realize this is intrinsically pretty condescending. But I've never seen any reasonable alternative explanation for this stuff. The only thing close to an actual argument that I've seen is stuff along the lines of "the way leftists are attacking liberals is counterproductive", but those arguments never have any concrete evidence supporting them. While you could say the same about the opposite ("leftists attacking liberals is helpful"), but the difference is that leftists also have an ideological reason for what they're doing. (And you could obviously make a pretty plausible argument that stuff like the current shift to the left regarding healthcare policy would never have happened without the enthusiasm and anger from the left, though that's virtually impossible to prove or disprove.)
Well, I'm totally open to someone giving an actual reason for this behavior. Like, just say "nearly all my posts are contrarian towards leftists because of (insert presumably rational reason for doing this)." The key thing about this specific topic is that the people in question rarely if ever actually argue along ideological/policy lines. If a Republican comes into the chat, you can at least say "this person is saying X policy/ideology is wrong, and I disagree because Y", but like 99% of these liberal -> leftist arguments consist of vague insinuations. People do things for reasons, and there must be some reason why people feel so compelled to argue against leftists. The most likely are that they either genuinely disagree with leftists ideologists (in which case they should be explicit about it) or there's something else bothering them that they can't articulate. Maybe I'm wrong and some of these folks just had a bad experience being dumped by a leftist ex-boy/girlfriend or something, but the key point is that they never provide any reasonable explanation for their behavior and attitude. To be frank, the criticism of "well, a certain percent of people criticizing the Democratic candidate might not vote Democratic, therefore they shouldn't do so" is transparently stupid. So I'm left with no choice but to assume that someone making that argument is either really stupid or is making it because they either can't articulate or don't feel comfortable articulating their real reason.
To contrast it with what leftists post, the main difference is that someone can at least attack them on the basis of ideology. Like, it's also possible that a leftist has some dumb reason for disliking liberals and/or conservatives, but the difference is that they're at least still making arguments a person can disagree with. Like, maybe they're not being honest when they say they believe socialism is superior to the status quo, but at least there's something tangible there to argue against. Anti-leftist contrarian posts are almost always weird insinuations about how the person is either secretly racist or somehow made the Democrats lose the election; they're almost never about the ideas themselves.
Like, I'm someone who also votes strategically and if someone starts arguing about why they think voting third party or whatever is better I would argue against them. The difference is that you're repeatedly and seemingly deliberately confusing criticism with the assumption that the person making the criticism would never vote for the person they're criticizing. This is very dishonest. People who aren't disingenuous will selectively reply to the best arguments of a given side, rather than selectively pointing at the people who are bad at articulating an argument and using it to justify their own views (leftists are also sometimes guilty of this, though it's not universal in the same way it is with the contrarian anti-leftist posters).
i'm not sure what you're talking about regarding the centrist stuff. I agree that many people use that specific term far too much, but the problem is that it can be difficult to come up with a short concise term to refer to people whose actions generally act to benefit the status quo. If someone claims to hold leftist views but spends virtually all their time posting about how dumb leftists are, I think it's reasonable to assume that maybe they aren't being totally honest.
There are two problems here. The first is that there's a difference between accelerationism as an ideological stance (i.e. someone who takes actions because they actually think it's a good idea to make things worse in order to hypothetically make them better later) and people who take actions that might in effect be accelerationist but without that intention. Under the latter interpretation, you can call literally everyone who doesn't vote Democratic an "accelerationist." It's possible for people to want to vote third party for reasons that, while wrong, aren't accelerationist.
The second problem is that you're cherry picking individuals and using it to tar a bigger group of people, which is especially dishonest since the larger group in question usually do vote Democratic. It's fine to argue with a specific person over why you think voting third party (or whatever) is wrong, but it is obvious that you're attempting to attribute the worst elements of peoples' posts to everyone you disagree with.
A good post that reflects my experiences. Grappling with centrism's evil clutches would be a lot less frustrating if any of the rhetoric surrounding it had an honest and upfront delivery. I think cloaking it in patronizing and technocratic terms is the main way to proliferate it though.
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