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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I think it's more likely that his successful election would have been a release valve much like Obama's election did Can confirm I wouldn't be working with local leftist groups if he had won because I would have been complacent as gently caress but now I have accepted the reality tht politics cannot save us and it is on us to protect and empower our communities
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Call Me Charlie posted:Do you notice how every time you respond to me it some lovely gotcha to prove how bad Trump really is while ignoring how completely garbage Obama and Clinton are? Do you realize you have been doing the same routine towards me for literally years? I said my vote was a gamble an unknown number of times and you still try to paint me as a mindless Trump supporter that will follow daddy come hell or high water. My dude pointing out that you criticized Hillary for being bad about a thing but voted for the guy who is inarguably worse about tat thing is not a gotcha, nor is wanting you to justify what makes Trump better than Hillary You're kind of a moron
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Jul 2, 2017 18:23
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Also posting your actual words and asking you to address them is the opposite of a strawman smh
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Jul 2, 2017 18:24
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Now that that's out of the way let's discuss the jdpon
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Jul 2, 2017 18:24
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Looking like a piece of poo poo is the only acceptable pre-existing condition
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Jul 2, 2017 18:27
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Hi I'm Dave dipshit and I'm here to tell you to become the twelfth person in human history to vote for Gary Johnson
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Jul 2, 2017 18:33
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Yes, I did not vote for Trump either. He is, like Clinton, also evil. Gary Johnson was a lesser evil, so I voted for the lesser evil. No he fuckin wasn't you simp
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Jul 2, 2017 18:34
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion, New Study Says Foreign policy is the only thing that matters Not him being a libertarian bottom feeder who supports private prisons and letting the poor die or anything like that
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Jul 2, 2017 18:36
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Private prisons are practically a nothing issue. It's what centrists talk about because they don't want to admit the entire prison system is a crime against humanity and has been long before private prisons came around. I'm already too poor to pay my medical bills and I'm not even poor. Hillary opposes single payer, which would fix this problem entirely. Who do you think you are fooling with this stuff? Put your balls in a garbage disposal
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Jul 2, 2017 18:44
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I didn't realize Gary was a big supporter of single payer or indeed anything that would actually help anyone in any meaningful way
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Jul 2, 2017 18:45
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FuriousxGeorge posted:His position on entitlement reform wasn't that far to the right from a centrist dem. Look, I get that he sucks, but you are running against the problem here of nominating candidates in an attempt to lure moderate Republicans. When you adopt their bad positions, it's easier to vote for them based on their upsides because you are making all else equal. You wouldn't have had this problem if you nominated Sanders. If it was Sanders I wouldn't worry about a deal to "reform" entitlements. With Hillary? She was openly campaigning on the idea that she would compromise with Republicans. Centrist Dems are also very bad, is my opinion, Gary Johnson is just worsr
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Kilroy posted:It sucks. But the only denial I've noticed in this thread and elsewhere among people who voted for her, is among the folks who want to stay the course and think that centrism can still win elections. Or Gary Johnson
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Jul 2, 2017 19:29
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FuriousxGeorge posted:"Don't put people in jail for pot," is not a bad opinion though. It's a good and popular opinion. "Going to jail for pot is more important than not completely destroying the safety net" is a bad one though actually Again, you can in fact stop smoking pot by choice but I can't just decide to never need aid
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Jul 2, 2017 21:06
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Jul 2, 2017 21:08
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NewForumSoftware posted:I'm pretty sure this is already our reality. Even pre-Trump. No it's only a probability right now
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Jul 2, 2017 21:11
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Jul 2, 2017 21:32
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FuriousxGeorge posted:You aren't getting me to vote to jail myself by holding the safety net hostage. Just agree not to jail me. Why is this so hard for you? I'm actually in favor of legalization, I just don't prioritize it over the safety net because I'm not a burnout
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Jul 2, 2017 21:40
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You can't get me to vote via emotional blackmail, now do what I want if you want my vote
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Jul 2, 2017 21:41
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Did you know if you smoke weed and vote for a not libertarian you're immediately arrested and put in jail
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Jul 2, 2017 21:42
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FuriousxGeorge posted:The odds of me being arrested for pot possession in my lifetime are 100% because that is a thing that has already happened to me. And you're voting for a states rights rear end in a top hat who wouldn't actually do anything to promote legalization and would hurt many more people through his other policies But no you're right voting for Gary was a vote for a get out of jail free card, you selfish gently caress
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Jul 2, 2017 21:48
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Guys I think you're missing what's really important here more important than people being left to die when the safety net is burned to Ash and that is my God given right to smoke dank nugz
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Jul 2, 2017 21:50
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FuriousxGeorge posted:You are arguing in favor of supporting politicians that want to arrest half a million people a year for nothing, and calling other people morons? Ahh, Democrats. What a waste. You're arguing in favor of a politician who has exactly one palatable policy but at the expense of letting the poor die you selfish prick
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Jul 2, 2017 21:55
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I'm not, I'm stating a fact,that Gary Johnson would cut spending for the safety net so fast your head would fuckin spin If you give more of a poo poo about smoking weed than people not starving that's cool I guess but don't make it out like everyone else is the rear end in a top hat
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Jul 2, 2017 22:08
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FuriousxGeorge posted:But as far as I know Johnson doesn't support debtors prisons? That's something centrist dems want to do to potheads, as I illustrated above. No, they want to put you in regular prison, which is also bad but not as bad as actively campaigning on a platform of loving the poor
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Jul 2, 2017 22:09
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FuriousxGeorge posted:But as far as I know Johnson doesn't support debtors prisons? That's something centrist dems want to do to potheads, as I illustrated above. I kind of feel like you are just searching for something for me to be wrong about. We are talking about a libertarian so it's obvious there is going to be some places. But the problem is my criticism of Democrats is just too strong and accurate here. Oh hey you edited this to make legalizing weed a way to stop police violence gently caress ofd
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Jul 2, 2017 22:10
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Ze Pollack posted:the suggestion that instead of trying to appeal to comfortable suburban republicans Democrats should try to pander to libertarians is, uh Appealing to suburban republicans is also bad angle
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Jul 2, 2017 22:11
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Ze Pollack posted:the joke is that they are literally the same thing, imo Nah, the suburban republicans have generally finished going through puberty
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Jul 2, 2017 22:14
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Amazing fact here: There was this guy called Bernie Sanders who supported both safety nets and not arresting me. Apparently this is a thing that is possible. There is no requirement for you to take the safety net hostage. You are choosing this, not me. It is unreasonable to threaten to put me in jail for nothing. No matter what other policies you have, this is going to be a dealbreaker. I just can't imagine how this is considered unreasonable. If Hillary threatened a law to arrest everybody who likes to wear green shirts, should I just go along with that? Am I the problem if I nope out on that because it's a plainly idiotic and purposeless act of tyranny? See, I think the problem there is the people proposing that law. Not the people who don't want to go to jail for nothing. The actual problem here is you prioritizing pot over people not starving to death and then scoffing at the hupothetical Hillary supporters you seem to think the thread is full of
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FuriousxGeorge posted:500,000 people a year. Every year. No the problem is the thing I said actually
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Hint if you feel forced to choose between smoking weed and people not starving It's because you're an rear end in a top hat
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Johnson is better on civil liberties. What kind of insane world do you have to live in to think supporting the drug war is good for civil liberties? That it doesn't cost lives? The choice to care more about healthcare is to care about different lives. 100,000+ died in the Mexican drug war in recent history. What about those lives? He doesnt care more about healthcare though you ignorant gently caress
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Jul 2, 2017 22:25
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I swear to God we're two steps away from qalnor telling us to Google Ron Paul
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I know that. But two out of three was better than Hillary. Three out of three from Bernie would have been my preference though. Again, literally prioritizing weed over people not dying for being poor is nobody's fault but your own
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FuriousxGeorge posted:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-staggering-death-toll-of-mexicos-drug-war/ Good article about another country, I guess. Doesn't mean you didn't prioritize smoking weed over having a safety net.
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drilldo squirt posted:He's either that new breed of troll that forgets to be funny is just a genuinely awful person. It's hard to tell ever since Trump made it ok to be a racist rear end in a top hat again. Nah it's a throwback to like 2007 libertarian DnD, it's pretty wild.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:You selfishly prioritizing lowering your healthcare bill over the lives of hundreds of thousands of people is pretty drat selfish, bro. Actually I'd like to have healthcare at all, and I would like millions of other people to have it too, this feels not selfish
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Jul 2, 2017 22:35
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I would like to not be in jail for no reason, and I would like millions of other people to not be in jail for no reason. This also feels not selfish. I like that your numbers change and you don't address your lovely strawman, you're clearly a smart person and not just an idiot who likes weed
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Jul 2, 2017 22:43
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I would like to not be in jail for no reason, and I would like millions of other people to not be in jail for no reason. I would also like hundreds of thousands of people not to die in a poor country because of a prohibition in a rich country next door. This also feels not selfish. That is because safety nets and not being murdered and not being in jail for no reason are not unreasonable or selfish things to request. They are human rights. Safety nets aren't unreasonable to request says the guy who voted for Gary Johnson
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Jul 2, 2017 22:46
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FuriousxGeorge posted:https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/03/the-death-of-jeffrey-pendleton/475461/ I like that you trot these out like it's going to make everyone go by jove hes right weed is more important than access to loving healthcare
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drilldo squirt posted:That guy getting killed by cops does not make it ok to choose weed over peoples lives you hosed up pothead. It's almost like police violence exists independent of weed and it's legality and in fact should be a higher pirority than weed because of that
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