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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

trump voters aren't rural, they're petit bourgeois

the rural poor don't vote

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Kilroy posted:

Only six hours? Gee whiz.

give it time

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

shut the gently caress up about fallacies or i'm probating everyone

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

shrike82 posted:

I love that you're weaselling into arguing that you don't have to vote against the fascist.

This poo poo really reeks of leftist myopia a la Weimar leftists and the Nazis.

My precious ideological purity

get this ahistorical bullshit outta here

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Confounding Factor posted:

I'll say it again, there is nothing more reactionary than a policy that allows free flow of exploitable labor between countries. Immigration is really about worker protections, that's what you neoliberals never get.

hmmmmm

Lenin posted:

Only reactionaries can shut their eyes to the progressive significance of this modern migration of nations. Emancipation from the yoke of capital is impossible without the further development of capitalism, and without the class struggle that is based on it. And it is into this struggle that capitalism is drawing the masses of the working people of the whole world, breaking down the musty, fusty habits of local life, breaking down national barriers and prejudices, uniting workers from all countries in huge factories and mines in America, Germany, and so forth.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

JeffersonClay posted:

I'm loving the leftists who now have a deep, abiding faith that the market will not let unemployed labor go idle.

gee i wonder if the policies improving working conditions would by necessity include provisions that ameliorated this problem

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

WampaLord posted:

If the worst problem we have is fed and cared for people who don't feel "content" I'd say we've done pretty well.

a friend of mine framed fighting for socialism as "turning the existential terror of today into the mundane inconveniences of tomorrow" and while it doesn't make a great slogan there's a lot of truth to it

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

institute a minimum universal income indexed to inflation, a minimum productivity wage (25/hr at present), a job guarantee and nationalize big businesses as state-run cooperatives while allowing small and medium-sized enterprises to continue. can i be president now

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Kilroy posted:

Why basic income and minimum wage and job guarantees? Just do basic income and make employee ownership mandatory - ditch everything else.

thats to have a full employment economy where labor is incentivized but not mandatory. also a shorter workweek. it's basically the nep

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Why not fully automated luxury gay space communism

it is fun to say that but very idealist

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

I love these marxist analyzations. Please post more as the left continues to shrink to the smallest it's ever been world wide and marxists cause massive economic crisises in country after country.

you could only be forgiven in thinking the left is "shrinking" if you limit your window to the united states and certain parts of western europe and even then it's demonstrably false

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

readingatwork posted:

"Well why don't we give them ten trillion dollars each!?"

where do i sign

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i skipped the last five pages, someone tell me who to probate

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

flashman posted:

Me for repeatedly responding to Braniac Five

it was a trap and i was going to probate the first person to give me a name so congrats i guess

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

The Kingfish posted:

Haha oh my god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzlzx8D4hYw

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Rodatose posted:

i'm giggling because you ramble like some character in a russian novel who's completely detached from reality and makes grand monologues to everyone in earshot

you aren't going to "eat it" in any way

thats not what happens in russian novels

Brainiac Five posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3816838&userid=184018#post473037920

Is this post acceptable? Furthermore, would it be acceptable if it hadn't been addressed to me?

it's a very stupid post no matter who it's responding to. despite your pm'ing death threats to me i don't have it out for you like you seem to think

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

respond to b5's posts on their merits or you get a six-hour break. the same goes for b5. if you can't do it, don't post about it. cheers

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Rodatose posted:

sorry, like the specific small set of romantic era novels that get touted as "european russian literature", made by people like dostoyevsky where someone comes down with "brain fever"

you probably know of a lot more russian novels and could speak of them more representatively

no worries, i shouldn't have been so serious in dismissal. just razzing

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

NewForumSoftware posted:

You can't choose your race but you can choose your class.

lol

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Call Me Charlie posted:

Jesus Christ, I never said Donald Trump was pro-union. What's the point in trying to explain my position to you guys if you don't actually comprehend anything I write and put up these ridiculous strawman?

If you want to ad hominem attack me every time I post in D&D for the rest of all time, whatever but all you're doing is derailing the thread.

look man you voted for donald trump and posted on the internet about it. some people call that an unforced error

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

if barack obama, great progressive hope, walked back his campaign promises on trade and unions what the hell made you think guy who lives in actual gold palace donald trump was going to keep his word

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

On-the-face anti-imperialism campaigns by the left against America's foreign interests kind of ignore the fact that other countries like Russia and China have developed their own empires and aren't afraid to use them to screw over America if need be.

imperialism is when a country does things

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

But then again I strongly support the invasion of Russia and destruction of Putin by any means neccesarry. I hate the man with a passion. If I ever met him I would do everything in my power to kill him because I believe he is a demon of satan incarnate and pure concentrated evil.

lol

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Condemning Russian imperialism ≠ endorsing American imperialism. Both are bad.

if you're against american imperialism then what's the point of denouncing "russian imperialism." it is literally just empty words if you don't want something done about it so why bother saying anything unless you're just doing it to burnish your credentials as a person with The Right Opinions

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Ask the Ukrainians.

yeah so it's little more than a shibboleth, then. got it

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

why do you think imperialism is the only way to fight imperialism? Not having a strong military or key allies, but specifically imperialism?

who said it was

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

rudatron posted:

I'd be more sympathetic to the argument that Eff is just a master troll, if he didn't so often end up blowing up himself.

I don't think there is a single post of his in this thread that isn't the same, hyper-ventilating paranoid neuroticism that makes attempts at communication a non-starter.

Like let's get real here: this thread gets periodically closed from getting poo poo up, but it's not the thread itself that's bad. It's one guy - one loving guy - and maybe a couple of other sycophants, pulling the same poo poo again and again. Latching onto a turn of phrase, or jumping to really absurd conclusions, screeching about their own victimization while making repeated threats of violence against other posters, etc.

It's not anything special, it's not masterclass trolling, it's standard absuvie behavior - behavior that by anyone else, might I add, would result in permabans. Yet whenever mods intervene, it's with a probation, oh but also they probate the poor schmuck Effectronica drags down with them.

take your whining elsewhere. the issue is being handled and i have given you a helpful hint in the quoted text above

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

call to action posted:

Realtalk, why do these two dickheads get to own this thread? I'm guessing because the mods aren't exactly friendly with the Bernie crowd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw7_bY44LQ8

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ArfJason posted:

oh hey someone got permabanned why

repeat repeat offender

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

The Kingfish posted:

Good. gently caress Jimmy Carter he was the first bad dem.

who the gently caress is andrew jackson

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ArfJason posted:

thats bad but its not raping someone or hacking their social sceurity number

i'd think you of all people would appreciate drumming someone out of the forum for making death threats

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ArfJason posted:

like i said thats pretty hosed up but not permaban worthy imo imho

duly noted

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Kaal posted:

Bernie Sanders produced an absolute treasure trove of talking points for conservatives during the same 1970s - 1980s period. Should Democrats talk about how he advocated the complete abolition of the US military and CIA, promoted a variety of anti-American authoritarians - including Iran during the hostage crisis - and at times supported Marxists who agitated for the violent overthrow of the United States? I mean, it's not like it would give Republicans any ammunition, right?

all those things kick rear end

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

bernie sucks because he largely moved away from those views after taking federal office, but we've seen how little people care about that poo poo with corbyn, who's to the left of bernie while still being a social democrat and just had a great election result

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Kaal posted:

Corbyn put out a leftist manifesto, but one of his principle attacks on May was going soft on defense by reducing police funding. He's as much a supporter of Brexit as May is, and basically ran a center-right campaign based on returning to the status quo. Unsurprisingly he lost.

none of that contradicts my post. i'm under no illusions about corbyn's "leftism," no more than i was with sanders

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

JeffersonClay posted:

He lost, and by a significant margin. By that standard Hillary had a double plus great election result.

hmmmm well since the two political systems are completely different i don't believe you're posting in good faith here!

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

plus there's the obvious difference between the us and the uk where for the latter if there's a close election, the losing party has things to do besides wander off into the woods

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Kilroy posted:

Are there any of these orgs that haven't been infiltrated by centrist blowhards and ineffectual hacks?

"infiltrated"

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

NikkolasKing posted:

So this might seem like a weird and random question but i dunno where else to ask. As I am trying to get in touch with my teenage Marxist again but with more thought put into it than "communism sounds cool", I realize I'm falling pretty short in a critical area. Namely economics. I don't get economics. There are so many "schools of thought" and while reading some of the works of this Hoppe fellow makes me fairly certain that the Austrian school is not for me, that doesn't narrow it down too much.

Does anyone have any recommendations for reading on how to understand economics from a "Leftist" perspective? There's this Mark Blyth guy I have seen on YT who seems to make sense and I was thinking of getting his book Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea.

read capital. it's daunting so if you want a primer you can start with the shorter wage labor and capital and value, price and profit.

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