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Tom Perez B/K/M?
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B 77 25.50%
K 160 52.98%
M 65 21.52%
Total: 229 votes
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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/851976615865331716

From the same geniuses who brought you:

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Radish posted:

Lol that dude is apparently going back and deleting all those old tweets.

I wish someone would delete the leadership of the democratic party.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Bad news.

Chuck Schumer‏Verified account @chuckschumer

.@TheDemocrats fight in Kansas is just the start of what we'll bring to campaigns across the county in 2, 4, 6 yrs & beyond. #KS04

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Reading Shattered has been a blast. Is there more stuff out there to read about what goes on behind the scenes in the party?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Seeing people defend the obama speech thing is surreal. It's payment for services rendered to the financial services industry plain and simple, and anyone denying it is a shill or up their own woke rear end to an insane extent.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

SSNeoman posted:

Proud of ya dude.

The show which has its finger on the pulse of liberalism is now politically irrelevant :kiss:


See this is the problem of being inside an echo chamber populated by purist shitposters. After a while you crawl so far up your rear end that you can't help but lash out when reality tries to pull you back out. Instead of analyzing the interesting implications of this tweet, you guys would much rather chicken little about how this is the end of the Dems. It's time to engage with reality friends.

And the reality is this: nobody who is relevant cares that Obama took speaking fees. Anyone who says they do, is concern trolling. You may argue for party purity and to to decouple wall street money from politicians, hell I even agree with you, but right now this just does not matter. Speaking fees are tilting at windmills, there are bigger fish to fry, the corruption is a lot more blatant than a paltry 400k. In a perfect world, you'd have it your way, but it's not so you don't.
Trevor is right.

I don't spend as much time here as some of you, and no one I know of that's heard of this, from relatively apolitical people to liberals to leftists has anything good to say about it (right wingers hate the Democrats anyway so it makes no difference). My dad is a huge Obama fan and just shook his head when I asked him about it. I don't know whether you consider ordinary people 'relevant' or not, but there you go.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Brainiac Five posted:

Why should we benefit American labor aristocrats over other sectors of the proletariat, especially by lying to ourselves about how protectionism on the part of the rich countries benefits the poor countries of the world?

A rising tide lifts all boats --> bow to the whims of capital as it seeks to reduce cost centres and pits workers interests against each other.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

anime was right posted:

biden actually would have been the best person to run out of the entire field

He's loving garbage.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Pelosi sucks rear end. Lol at being backed into making qualifiers like "Well I don't think she's literally Satan" by retards like WJ.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Lightning Lord posted:

I just want a pension.

Even if you have one, the fund that holds it is probably being used to prop up some bubble somewhere and it'll go bust by the time you retire, sorry.

See http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-27/crashing-canadian-mortgage-lender-bailed-out-321000-retired-ontario-healthcare-worke for an example

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

shrike82 posted:

fyi, zerohedge is the breitbart of financial news.

Sorry, here's better sources I guess:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/home-capital-friday-1.4089781

quote:

After news of the HOOPP lifeline emerged on Thursday, the CEO of the pension fund announced he would step down from his job on Home Capital's board of directors, citing the potential conflict of interest.

lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Condiv posted:

it's always surprising that we have to let the minimum wage keep falling or the economy will fall apart. i'm sure the rich, who are making more than ever year upon year could manage to share some of the money they stole from workers, but apparently that will destroy the economy? :shrug:

There's something like 30 trillion dollars stashed in offshore tax havens right now right? If the share of that belonging to US taxpayers/companies is roughly equivalent to the American percentage of worldwide GDP, there's a lot of money there that could be taxed and redistributed.

In the face of such gigantic wealth inequality and the avoidance on the part of the rich to contribute to their country's upkeep, anyone fighting even the relative table scraps of 15/hr is a massive piece of poo poo.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Anyone have any good links for reading about what's going on with the California democrats?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

VitalSigns posted:

It's funny how liberals sold free market reforms and laissez-faire capitalism in the 70s-90s as a universally benevolent force that would lift all boats in a rising economic tide and end poverty forever at the end of history. But when that didn't happen and instead the poor got poorer, the middle class hollowed out and dropped into poverty, and the rich got richer, then instead of admitting they were wrong, liberals just adopted a new narrative that actually burgeoning poverty is good because those people suck anyway and now that we know who they are they can finally suffer as they always deserved.

Reminds me of the free trade rhetoric: it went from promising to be good for American workers, to okay it's not but it's a charity for foreigners so it's immoral to oppose it, to actually foreign workers are benefiting too much we need to crack down on labor organizers abroad because foreign lives are worthless but their low-priced goods are a charity for mysteriously unemployed or underpaid Americans.

The 'we believe in the free market' is just cover for greed and corporate collusion. There's nothing 'free market' about blocking the importation of cheaper drugs to break up the pharma price cartel, but the democratic establishment seem to go against their cherished free market principles in this case: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-on-republicans-and-democrats-blocking-drug-reimportation-w485638

Weird!

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

flashman posted:

Universal healthcare access and a high minimum wage; planks of white supremacy.

I see you've met effectronica. Has he called anyone a strasserist yet this time round?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/877353969420353537

https://twitter.com/jeffroe/status/877285835124682752

DCCC IE's GA-06: $4,992,130

KS-04: zero

SC-05: zero

MT-AL: $340,000

Total of KS-04,MT-AL,SC-05: $340,000



KS-04: +20 pts compared to HRC

SC-05: +16 pts compared to HRC

MT-AL: +14 compared to HRC

GA-06: -3.7 pts compared to HRC

mila kunis fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jun 21, 2017

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/877367888037818368

Democratic campaigns make more sense when you view them as vehicles for grift and giving each other money than actual attempts to win and/or improve the country.

What's odd is why donors continue to waste money on these losers.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Hillary's billion dollar campaign was like the scam from the producers except successful.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

VitalSigns posted:

In other words:

80 years on, that is incredibly depressing to read. Obama came to power at a similar time and turned out to be a conman on the side of capital, what a trash fire president.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

RedSpider posted:

The left needs to drop this silly term 'progressive' in favor of the term 'socialism'. Centrists and corporate democrats are deceptively co-opting the term for themselves already. The term 'socialism' cuts through the bullshit, and no centrist will use it to refer to themselves for votes.

Just a thought.



But you're right for the US

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Avirosb posted:

Then why do third parties struggle so with gaining acceptance and support?

The warping influence of unchecked money, lack of coverage and exposure due to a media thoroughly dominated by the interests of the rich, and artificial legal barriers for ballot access.

Here's a good article with some of the hoops you have to jump through as a non democrat/republican: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democratic-labor-party-ackerman/

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Brony Car posted:

There's a luxury in being a firebrand.

There's even more luxury in being a worthless establishment courtier raking in donor money and sinecure jobs while your base's living standards deteriorate.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
California democrats block state single payer:

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/878417673264087040

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

To be fair "She persisted, we resisted" is a pretty accurate summary.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Watching a major political institution die in real time is cool

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Jaxyon posted:

It's a stylistic issue. His policies are already better, but that deosn't win elections.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Fulchrum posted:

So Bernie Sanders is actually Donald Trump?

No wonder white males loved him so much.

Are you retarded

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Fulchrum posted:

Am I the one who used Trump as proof that a socialist could win? No? Then I'm not the retarded one here.

What are you loving talking about dude lol stfu

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

rudatron posted:

Clinton lost to Trump. The thing that's throwing people under the bus rn is corporate centrism, not principled populism.

It's funny that some dipshit had the balls to throw in the 'electability' argument when, despite several months of the Trump administration, Hillary Clinton is more unpopular than Trump still lol: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/finally-a-poll-trump-will-like-clinton-even-more-unpopular

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
a good article https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/new-working-class-precarity-race-gender-democrats

quote:

Note the slippage: whatever program will appeal to the entity known as the “white working class” will not appeal to “minority groups,” who are joined together in this analysis with “moderate voters in the suburbs.” Has Mounk ever spoken to a working-class American outside of a customer transaction? It is difficult to imagine how the categories with which he operates could possibly have survived such an encounter. The American working class is, after all, less white than the rest of American society, and, by all survey evidence, has more left-wing political views—by dint of its composition by race and gender, as well as its class experiences.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
You'd have to have been asleep for the last few decades if you trust Schumer and other weaselly financed owned Democrats like him.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

The Kingfish posted:

This is a republican thing right?

It's hard to tell.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

VitalSigns posted:

No they wouldn't, you put language in the bill that the single payer law will only go into effect subject to public approval of a ballot initiative (Prop WXYZ) that exempts its funding sources from Prop 98 or whatever that dumb school funding one is.

Now it's on the voters, if the Democrats truly believe the voters won't agree then it'll get voted down no worries, then they can say "we tried to give you single payer but you didn't want it."
(Of course, Big Pharma and insurance companies are actually afraid that the ballot initiative would pass so of course they bribe legislators never to put that up to a public vote)

If a democratic supermajority in a solid blue state with an economy that dwarfs that of most countries in the world refuses to implement UHC, I think it's time to give up on the democratic party.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

yronic heroism posted:

It's not about the primary, it's about what strategy to take after the primary's over if I don't much like the nominee.

Reading comprehension is key here.

Voting for right wing democrats has entrenched their power in the party and has led to the material conditions people face in 2017. Continuing to vote for them is continuing to vote for wealth distribution upwards, the destruction of the middle class and austerity.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Again, I voted Hillary because I didn't see much daylight between the two vis-a-vis anticapitalism

lmao, and also shut the gently caress up.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

yronic heroism posted:

The issue is claiming "people agree with me period, get hosed everyone I call a centrist"... yes Democratic voters love single payer. Guess what? The whole party is moving in that direction.

Are they?

tekz posted:

California democrats block state single payer:

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/878417673264087040

tekz posted:

If a democratic supermajority in a solid blue state with an economy that dwarfs that of most countries in the world refuses to implement UHC, I think it's time to give up on the democratic party.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Jizz Festival posted:

What does a matriarchal/nurturing power structure look like?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
This has to be exaggerated or something right? They aren't actually not running a candidate for governor in one of the country's biggest states?

" A new low: Texas Democrats don't have candidate for governor"

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/new-low-texas-democrats-don-have-candidate-for-governor/3xlc09Set70DBpAnX0q3ZN/

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011


20 point swing in 4 years.

It's the right thing to do, it'll save money and there's votes in it. It'll take the load off a lot of private companies to provide insurance for their employees as well. Surely the Democrats can get funding from people other than health insurers.

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
I like the implicit implication that its leftists abandoning race issues when the democratic right is the faction thats trying it to eke out votes so they don't have to budge economically.

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