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Yeah that does sound pretty great. According to Sina Grace it's going to spring from Black Widow's death in Secret Empire though, which is still kinda bummerful  . Still looking forward to it though.Meanwhile...this is happening: Phoenix Resurrection: The Return Of Jean Grey By Matthew Rosenberg And Leinil Francis Yu For December I'd say this was right the heck up my alley, but what I've read from Rosenberg has left me pretty unimpressed sooooo...we'll see! Hopefully this will spring out logically from the events of the current Jean series from Hopeless 'cuz that's been enjoyable as well.
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Autism Sneaks posted:I'm gonna need a sticker on the cover that guarantees no clones, alternate universe doppelgangers, psychic duplicates, magical manifestations, time-displaced incarnations, or some combination thereof  vAdult Jean's spirit has actually been haunting teen Jean over in her own book for a while so she's already kinda around, sort of. Again, as long as this resurrection comes about believably from the events of that pretty good book, I don't have any problems with it. I really doubt anyone at the X-offices or wider Marvel offices have any long-term idea about what to do with the young X-Men. I can sort of envision a broad, vague direction at times, but then they'll just go and do stuff that throws that direction out of wack. Which is fine if it leads to decent narratives like it has for Bobby and Jean. But I really have no idea what their plan is for Hank and Warren. Especially Hank. He's basically Dark Beast in all but name at this point, which leads me to think they would make his younger self more and more stalwart and principled in contrast to that...except that young Hank is also kind of a dumb turd right now, so...
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Sep 15, 2017 00:31
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He didn't even have his healing factor at the time either, right?
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Sep 22, 2017 20:05
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Especially that, because of how much it tilted Dan Slott.
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Oct 19, 2017 23:34
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Barry Convex posted:
Mega Man? Could it really be you?
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Nov 10, 2017 02:24
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I'll be reading this because I'm interested, but I can't help but be a little underwhelmed as well? There's just no synergy to this lineup. Out of the entire cast, it feels like the only people who have any connection with each other at all is Jean and Kurt, and even then it'd be a bit of a stretch to say their history is all that involved.
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Nov 13, 2017 20:58
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I think I might have conflated them into one single person.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:41
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I'm sorry but are you suggesting that Cyclops...was wrong??
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Dec 7, 2017 14:23
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Yeah but he'll probably be back when that James Franco comes out. e: Okay this was supposed to say "when that James Franco film comes out" but clearly Freudian something something BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Dec 8, 2017 02:37
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He's Damian Wayne; a mean lil' poo poo putting on an rear end in a top hat shell to protect himself, except that unlike Damian, underneath that rear end in a top hat shell he's just a bigger rear end in a top hat. And this is technically an improvement from the days when he was a pretentious anarchist. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Dec 10, 2017 02:31
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Young Jean is super dead, which will last about a month. The others are just unconscious.
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Dec 15, 2017 16:56
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Phoenix Resurrection was...sluggish, is the word I might use? Just seems like a series of freaky events one after the other instead of something particularly cohesive. Still, it's only the first issue; we'll see what happens after the lil' bits of reveals we saw, some of which are almost certainly fakeouts. It's kinda annoying that it's clearly taking as few cues from the current (but soon to end!...  ) Jean Grey series as it can get away with, and in fact outright contradicting it in many ways what with Rachel showing up here being all "durr what could possibly be happening! It's not like teen Jean has been warning us about this for months. It's definitely not as if I personally literally saw the actual Phoenix right here on Earth just over in that book." Yeah, this doesn't bolster any confidences about this whole event being all that well coordinated between X-writers.
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Dec 28, 2017 01:08
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So far Phoenix Resurrection is reading like three first issues.
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Jan 14, 2018 08:44
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I think I'd be into Grand Design more if it wasn't currently focusing on the portion of X-Men history that I care the least about. vv
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Jan 24, 2018 00:02
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There's also a scene where the Phoenix resurrects the real Scott and lets Jean have a conversation with him to show her what she could have if she lets the Phoenix back into her. This however just strengthens her resolve to reject it, although she appreciated the chance to see Scott again. This is...sigh. I kinda saw this coming. I'm one of the apparent minority, however vocal, that prefers the Phoenix as an aspect and expression of Jean herself, which is what every single actually good Phoenix story has always been about, as opposed to the Phoenix just being a crazy evil possessive force, which is the hallmark of every single bad Phoenix story bar none. But I guess the majority of readers just can't stand the Phoenix anymore and so we end up with this whole thing that just emphatically drones on about how this is not Jean and has never been and how she's better off without it and blah de blah. I love that there's even a scene where the Phoenix shows Jean a vision of herself during her Morrison years and says that "we can become your best self," so it's like, even the writers seem perfectly aware that the best and most optimum Jean Grey was when she was fully adjusted to the Phoenix, but then we can't have that because "that's not meee! that's not how things are supposed to wooork" or whatever. I will say that I liked the moment where the Phoenix gets smaller and smaller and Jean continues to talk it into letting her go, until it's just kinda sitting in the palm of her hands as this small, sad bird. That gave me a feelings.  So anyway let's see how long this will last considering that literally every single time they've gone "The Phoenix is gone now! For realsies this time! Jean is absolutely never ever going to be Phoenix again!1!" they eventually just walk back on it anyway 'cuz *~comics~* and also there's in fact a major movie called "Dark Phoenix" coming out this year soo
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I agree there was something interesting to be said here about needing to let go of things that don't work anymore, which is why the parts where Jean had a genuine heartfelt conversation with the Phoenix about those things was quite effective. I didn't hate this interpretation of the Phoenix as something of a needy ex who, nonetheless, genuinely cares about Jean and wants to protect her from all the lovely things in life in really superficial ways. And it was genuinely hard for Jean to let go of the Phoenix as well, hence that final page. But there's a certain level of self-unaware irony in a story that preaches about how important it is to let go of the past when it is literally, as it speaks, trying to bring a dead comic book character back to life. And honestly, "bad things should happen in life because that's just life!" is not...all that much less shallow of a mindset, either. In practice, the whole message about needing to let go in order to move forward comes across more like, okay, here's all this amazing helpful stuff that you could do if you had this power, but you're not gonna do it because...that's not you? What? I guess that'll be a great comfort to all the people who you could've saved with this power but didn't? I'm sure you'll be real glad you stuck to your...principles, I suppose?...the next time an Eternal or two comes trying to pimpslap the planet and you don't have Phoenix powers at your disposal?
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Feb 1, 2018 05:18
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Oh man. X-Men: Red was fantastic. If Phoenix Resurrection sapped all hope out of you of anyone being able to write Jean as she's meant to be, this issue will re...give...that hope.
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Feb 7, 2018 22:59
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I will say, I'm not a big fan of how Asrar draws Jean's new costume. Not armory enough.Endless Mike posted:I really enjoyed it, too. Having Jean basically rebuke Xavier's dream as too centrist was an interesting way to go, but it made sense. hope and vaseline posted:Loved X-Men Red. What do you guys think of the villain reveal at the end? I wonder if there's some kind of tie-in to Astonishing X-Men with Xavier being brought back there as well. )I wanna see how this team is gonna be able to handle this threat without the...tools?...that they had before, and Xavier showing up here to do his thing would probably overshadow that a bit.
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Feb 8, 2018 01:03
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It's actually kinda weird that mutants apparently didn't have a voice in the UN until now? I just kinda assumed that Xavier had filled that role, but apparently that mofo was lazy as poo poo
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Feb 9, 2018 08:19
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Cyclops status: still right
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Feb 9, 2018 09:09
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I was gonna post that the pitchforks and torches was probably something Cassandra Nova was making them do, but I also have to be honest that it's not as if Marvel universe humans haven't, in fact, done that exact sort of thing a lot of times without any kind of mind control at all, so "it's actually Cass Nova's fault" is not necessarily a given.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:15
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As much as I'm really enjoying X-Men: Red, the team comp definitely doesn't feel all that sensible and just seems more like a bunch of random characters who were within the general vicinity of each other when the events of the story began. And then some characters who weren't even that.
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Mar 9, 2018 12:22
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The straights can keep Gambit tbh
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Mar 13, 2018 05:15
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I would be sad to see these kids go, especially young Cyclops, but to be totally honest it probably should've been done a year or so ago.
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Apr 3, 2018 20:00
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Is it just me or is the whole approach of "let's shuffle the 100+ characters from the X-universe around willy nilly onto like five books with different colors and adjectives on the title once and a while and call it reinvigorating the franchise" approach to these series not really working anymore?
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Apr 13, 2018 22:14
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Not that I blame anyone for skipping out on James Robinson's WW run, but Hercules appeared in the first issue of that. Where he was promptly killed off.
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May 15, 2018 20:39
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Huh, I had no idea Storm would be an actual recurring teammate character on X-Men: Red. Does that mean she's off the Gold team now? As if I couldn't appreciate this book even more! It does sort of encapsulate the slapdash nature of this roster though, like oh hey, you were in the general vicinity of relevant events occurring, great, you're a main character of this book now! 
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May 16, 2018 21:44
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Covok posted:So...anyone else reading X-Men Red. If so, how do you feel about the sentinel mind control stuff? I get what they're trying to say through the metaphor, but my issues is it ignores the agency of the actor in real life. While people are controlled by hate instilled in them by people with agendas, they are still ultimately responsible for their own actions and are bad people for killing people. The nanomachine mind control metaphor, while I get what it's going for, takes away the agency and, thus, makes them look like victims of a system of hate and systemic oppression. Which they are, actually, in real life but it doesn't forgive or undo their actions or make them something they didn't consciously decide to do. The story lets them get out of it by the nanomachines made me do it but that isn't the case in real life: even if right-wing propaganda made you a bigot, you still chose to act like a loving monster and you don't just get to hide behind the shield of "propaganda made me lynch this child." And I do appreciate how this sort of message refutes -- however subtly -- that human beings are just hateful fearful creatures by nature and that's just how it is. Instead, this story's position is that hatred has to be learned and absorbed from outside sources...specifically, that someone with bad agendas is specifically manufacturing this hatred. Because that is in fact what happens. There's always a reason for hatred. There is a specific cause of this specific problem. And that means there is a solution for the problem.
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Jun 7, 2018 10:57
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...Sure just...do whatever, at this point. 
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Jun 18, 2018 21:53
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I don't think the multiple X-teams concept is working out at all. Not unless each team has something seriously distinctive to them. 'Cuz as of now it's basically just "Okay this year we'll put......Jubilee...Bishop...Nate Grey, and uh...Gabby on X-Men: Mystic Force and then for X-Men: Dino Thunder we'll have...let's see who's free...Storm, Magneto, Blink, and...uh, gently caress it, let's get a Hawkeye." and I feel like all the character dynamics are just kinda bland and generic throughout these books. Just a general vague sense of "We sure are X-Men! We got all this history and...yeah...mutants, right?"
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Jul 12, 2018 05:39
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This inker is...not doing Maleev any big favors.
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Aug 17, 2018 07:59
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Matthew Rosenberg is enjoyable enough as a writer, but I don't understand why they keep letting him write X-Men stuff when he seems, by all rights and evidence, to hate the X-Men with every fiber of his being. Also, loving lol at the idea of "X" being able to so casually mindwipe Jean at this point in their careers.
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Aug 21, 2018 08:41
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I really liked the new Iceman #1 this week! It's a lot more whimsical and slap-happy, which is what I'd actually expected the first series to be like. Now, I did like the first series what with all the subtle character work or whatever, but the lighter quippy tone really works here.
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Sep 13, 2018 11:28
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X-Men: Red is so good! gently caress!
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Sep 26, 2018 19:05
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I don't actually know! I'm just swearing at the goodness of it! gently caress!
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Sep 26, 2018 19:10
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Uh lol why go through the trouble of birthing and raising a child when your child is already born and raised? Look, she's right there! The hard work is already done!
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Sep 27, 2018 06:54
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I of course really love Morrison's arcs, but one of the things that always felt off about it to me is that his actual team of X-Men, aside from Jean, were all...pretty weak. We had what is essentially a bunch of bruisers, plus Xorn I guess, going up against the likes of Nova and the Shi'ar empire. It never felt like those threats were going up against the full power of the X-Men, and the fact that they were threats at all had less to do with how threatening they were and more to do with how...not-threatening our protags were. What I like about X-Men: Red is that Nova is now going against an "actual," "real" X-team with the whole gamut of crazy A-list mutant powers and...yeah, it goes about as well for her this time around as you'd expect. It's one thing to act like a great big X-Men foe when you're facing the most mundane members of the team, and quite another thing when Storm is going to throw a literal tsunami at you 'cuz you ticked her off.
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Sep 28, 2018 02:46
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Yeah X-Men: Red is for sure the best X-book we've had in ages. And there's honestly no great secret secret behind it, no profound trick, beyond it just being really good. (Well, time to cancel it! )
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Nov 8, 2018 00:26
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Cyclops........... . ..... .. ..was right.
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Android Blues posted:Ororo is one of my favourite characters, but the years have not been kind to her. Every time she's gotten a solo series, it's been either incredibly dull with no grip on the inner drama of the character (most of them) or pretty good but all wrapped up in prepping her to be married to Black Panther (the flashback series from the 2000s that retconned her backstory so they knew each other as children).
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