njsykora posted:

Well that sucks, feels super weird to do a single region product launch in this day and age.

Kerbtree posted:

Hah, looked at the 5800x3d userbenchmark page for a giggle and they're certainly saying the quiet parts out loud:

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

RT is great for screenshots, but I sure as poo poo don't notice it when I'm playing a game where it's enabled.

It's entirely possible that's a me problem, though.

CodFishBalls posted:

To chirp in, Micro Center is likely going to do a 5600x3d bundle, bundling it with a B550 board (my suspicion is the Tuf B-550 since they got quite a bit in stock at my local store ) and 16 gb of 3200 cl16 g.skill ram (probably ripjaw again, what they have a lot of)

Speculation is bundle price will be around 329ish, which, compared to 229 for 5600x3d, 170 for B550, and 40 for ram, is not bad, but locking yourself into the AM4 ecosystem.

Cygni posted:

isn’t there like 1 thing that actually uses avx512 that anyone cares about, and it’s a ps3 emulator?

AARP LARPer posted:

Hi everyone,

I'm living in an apartment with terrible power, and I'd like to reduce my wattage during heavy gaming. I've heard about a voltatge "offset" and I went poking around, but I don't know where these setting might be or what they're called. I've got an MSI B550 tomahawk with a 5800X3D.

I'm not looking to push the envelope, but would like to know what a safe-and-sane reduction might be... and where I might find it.

Thanks!

hobbesmaster posted:

That’d be cpu migration or cluster switching and not an HMP implementation like Intel, right?

Josh Lyman posted:

I remember when someone, maybe from HardOCP, sold a baybus where you had to drill holes in your own front plate to install it. I think I got one back in like 2001?

I loved the DIY scene back then but fan curves are better.

Paul MaudDib posted:

pre-Haswell/pre-Ryzen is coincidentally also when NVMe support started to be rolled out, and you can't play the game without NVMe storage either. it's easy to justify not writing that pre-AVX2 path when the users mostly can't play anyway for other reasons.

(technically you can use an adapter card but that's either going to cut your GPU lanes in half, or be on a chipset slot that stands a decent chance of being like pcie 2.0x1 or at best pcie 2.0x4. And while you technically don't need actual BIOS support (especially if you are not booting from the SSD/have a SATA drive for a system drive) from what I remember the Oprom thing is pretty clunky and a lot of drives don't ship with oproms anymore cause nobody actually uses them anymore. I honestly have no idea if oproms are even viable anymore for boards without native support.)

ConanTheLibrarian posted:

Epycs only allow one DIMM per channel and the number of people who need 4 DIMMs is a drop in the ocean so AMD don't have a lot of motivation to make a memory controller that can handle 4 DIMMs well.

VorpalFish posted:

Call me crazy, but I suspect now that they're putting igpus just good enough for office pcs on the io dies of chiplet ryzens maybe there won't be any more socketed monolithic APUs.

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

Modern mainframes have over a GB of distributed L3 cache.

Shaocaholica posted:

So X3D cache is accessible by all cores with the same penalty and its slower than L3 but orders of magnitude faster than main memory? And X3D is not available on Epic/Threadripper...yet but there are plans?

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

Not sure where else to post this, but details on Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon X Elite have leaked: https://videocardz.com/newz/snapdragon-x-elite-leak-12-core-oryon-cpu-4-6tf-adreno-gpu-lpddr5x-av1-and-wifi7

My understanding is that this thing is meant to power Windows ARM laptops. Is the ARM branch of Windows no longer a joke? Won't most apps and games be wholly incompatible? I'm confused as to how this is supposed to be a good idea. What's the benefit of using an ARM processor over an x86 one?

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

shsc just loves segmentation, there's like three separate work chat threads. see klyith mentioning overclock chat when, hey, there's already an overclocking megathread!


"nuhhhh there's weird fiddly platfrom bullshit" there's nothing stopping that being discussed in a combined x86 thread. ridiculous

VorpalFish posted:

To play devil's advocate, that's kind of how max turbo speeds end up working on everything, especially low power mobile chips. You only ever see it with 1c or 2c load, and that gets dispatched to a preferred core.

On the other hand, 7000 series APU naming was already imo the worst of anyone's current offerings, with a bunch being straight up rebranding of 6000 and 5000 series chips to make them look newer.

Mental Hospitality posted:

The laptop Phoenix APU's seem quite performative in those mini-pcs I keep seeing on YouTube. I wonder if you'll be able to go hog wild with the power limits to get even more performance from the desktop parts. I'm sure you'd reach a point of diminishing returns but if someone already has a beefy air cooler it would be neat to see just how much performance you could extract out of the chip.

Rinkles posted:

speaking of, the Steam Deck refresh (OLED + die shrink) apparently performs slightly better thanks to having faster memory.

5500 v 6400.

Cross-Section posted:

With all the tech sales coming up, should I buy a good pair of DDR5 sticks in preparation for the eventual Ryzen 9000 CPUs or is it likely that RAM prices in late 2024 (or whenever these CPUs drop) will be as low as they currently are?

BurritoJustice posted:

In terms of factorio, with large bases it is completely memory bottlenecked. This means that the VCache still helps, as cache increases effective memory bandwidth, but Intel's much faster memory subsystem gives them the win in general. Amusingly, I do actually have the world record on the FactorioBox 50K benchmark (61UPS), despite using a 7950X3D, but I cheated a little by using Linux and a bunch of kernel tweaks that help massively (custom malloc with huge pages and much more). You can get similar performance using Intel on bone stock windows.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Z1 NUClike in development

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGaIO6Jbqg4

my eyes are darting about looking around for a 7020u-based minipc

SpaceDrake posted:

So I had the itch to play around today, and I was a little surprised to see that 2001SE actually booted and ran on my 7800X3D/4070 Win11 system... but 3DMark 03, 05 and 06 wouldn't. (I was less surprised to see that 2000 didn't start correctly, and 99 refused to even install. ) Sadly, they give extremely nonspecific errors when starting up, so it's hard to troubleshoot what's going on. I'm tempted to download Vantage and see how well the system crunches through that, but 2001SE was funny enough as it was, and the 11 result was impressive enough for my blood.

Funnily enough, though, I actually do get a sound error from 2001SE's demo even though the rest runs fine. I guess 2001SE doesn't play nice with the Realtek audio on the B650 Pro RS.

gradenko_2000 posted:

is AMD really going to be shipping product where only the left-most digit is moved up from a 7 to an 8, but all the rest of the digits (meaning the actual technical specifications) are the same?

OhFunny posted:

Apple did this too. iPhone numbering jumped from 8 to 10, so not to be a number behind Samsung.

Canned Sunshine posted:

Zen 5 is also moving from 4 to 6 ALUs, so I'm wondering now if Zen 5c will see that, or will remain at 4 if it's based off of Zen 4.

That's disappointing if it's the case.

Jeff Fatwood posted:

Where are the 5700X3D reviews, that drat thing released today and there's no coverage.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

all X3D chips don't have coolers bundled.

Shipon posted:

absolutely no one buying an X3D was going to use the stock cooler anyway, it would have been a waste of money

repiv posted:

RE Engine calls checkerboard rendering interlacing for some reason

Cygni posted:

Josh Lyman posted:

Would it make sense to think of my 7900X as 2x 6 core CPUs rather than 1x 12 core? If so, is Intel’s P+E architecture better about this type of thing?

forbidden dialectics posted:

...is it possible to learn this power?

Klyith posted:

I can think of lots of good reasons.

It's a thing average people do with PCs that actually requires high performance. If you don't play games and don't need grunt for some sort of professional work that relatively few people do, you can be happy with a very inexpensive CPU.

It's a thing that has been totally crippling for non-x86 platforms in the past, and you can't just get a native compile.

Macbooks still suck at games (certainly due more to apple neglect than hardware), so that's a place they can get a win and show off their thing being "faster" than a much more expensive M2 or M3 laptop.

VorpalFish posted:

It's more than that - the die with vcache on it is much harder to cool so they dial clocks and voltages way back - the 7950x3d has a die without vcache and that's almost certainly how it hits those clocks.

You probably will not see peak boost on the 7950x3d for any of the cores on the die with the extra cache, so your scheduler kinda has to pick whether an application will scale better with clock speed or cache when deciding where to put a thread.

Subjunctive posted:

I actually have a use-case at work for this sort of setup right now (run many tiny web assembly functions, as parallel as we can get, over small data) but I doubt I can get GCP to deploy them for us!