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I'd estimate that I spent ~$100 extra on good RAM (and because I wanted a lot of RAM) and I had to buy a cooler because I got an X and I'm pretty sure I'm still way ahead price/performance-wise over what I was looking at with a chipzilla-based system. oh and in case anyone cares, no, I haven't had a chance to run the ryzen-killer thing yet
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Risky Bisquick posted:But do you want to know? It is schrodinger's cat. I want it to be stable so have to know whether I have a bad part or need more cooling. It's probably the cooling unless somehow Linux just deals that much better with whatever that error is than Windows does, but it sounds like ryzen-killer is less guesswork-based than 'buy krakken and hope'.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:06
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HP just announced this thing yesterday http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations-x2/index.html I'd buy one if I was in the market for a new laptop, but I've also been saying that about the Surface Book since it came out
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:Board: ASUS Prime x370-pro I don't think I disabled core boost and I'm not having random BSODs (same board, but with a 1500X)
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Oct 30, 2017 17:10
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If you don't like wasting time setting up everything after a Windows install, make a disk image just after you set everything up and you can restore from that. Then you update Windows and just update things as you use them later - feels like a lot less of a slog than a fresh install IME
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Oct 31, 2017 17:19
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feedmegin posted:I find that very hard to believe, but if so it's ridiculous. Using half the computer's power just for DRM? It's a Ubisoft game, so it's pretty believable
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Nov 1, 2017 15:47
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repiv posted:That's how most (somewhat) effective DRM systems work, although the VM is often a custom design rather than based on x86. The trick is to only VM-ify parts of the code that aren't in the hot path so performance doesn't go to poo poo. According to people on Twitter stepping through the assembly, it goes to the VM every time the character moves, so NBD I'm sure. E: the VMs plural because I guess there are two layers of it and one(?) is 'fractional' so it spawns a bunch of them... somehow? IDK how something like that would work at all unless what they're seeing is two VM layers per thread Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Nov 1, 2017 18:52
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Prescription Combs posted:HP has their Raven Ridge Envy x360 up for ordering now. http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-envy-x360-convertible-laptop-15z-touch-1za07av-1 quote:AMD Ryzen™ 5 2500U Quad-Cor 
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Xae posted:I would be really surprised if Intel tried that poo poo again. They have a few years before anyone outside Europe will care to enforce antitrust laws.
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As in you have to flash the board with a different CPU first? feedmegin posted:...you mean like /dev/mem? Is that user-writeable by default?
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Nov 29, 2017 19:49
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feedmegin posted:If you're root? Yes. Right, I thought Paul's original example was making the BIOS user-writeable by non-root users, but I may have misunderstood.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:38
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Combat Pretzel posted:Whenever I bring up async IF elsewhere, I often enough get countered by people saying that AMD wouldn't do it because it requires additional buffering that'd cause latency. Well, given the bus width and frequency mismatchs between RAM and IF, aren't there already buffers, anyway? My understanding is that the issue is that they're linked (with some multiplier), not mismatched.
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Dec 11, 2017 16:45
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Risky Bisquick posted:If this bug is what it takes to get AMD back to the perf crown with zen+ I’m going to laugh Can't wait for gamers to try to patch it out and either get owned by exploits or gently caress up their systems constantly. NewFatMike posted:hire some driver talent I guess. 2018: the year of the actually good Radeon driver
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Jan 3, 2018 15:24
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Paul MaudDib posted:That seems like an obvious enough fix that I'm unclear on why they didn't come up with this idea sometime in the previous 7 months, rather than the day the vuln went public. Did they just not tell those researchers about it or something? Imagine what would happen if suddenly all major chip vendors had gone around telling compiler vendors "hey, sprinkle mfence ops liberally around any array traversals and don't ask why" Did you imagine people would ask why and put a bunch of effort into figuring out why? Because that's what would happen.
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Jan 4, 2018 16:26
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Paul MaudDib posted:That's what NDAs are for. Plenty of people outside Intel and AMD knew about this vuln and they managed to keep it under wraps for 7 months. Hmm, fair. You'd still want to update the compilers ASAP (meaning 6 months ago) because of the enormous lag time between updating a compiler and seeing the results out in the world and I bet someone would notice either the additional code in open sourced compilers or the different instruction output and, presumably, performance.
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Jan 5, 2018 15:34
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Llamadeus posted:Just announced! Naturally, it's Asrock: https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=3888 Before I clicked on that I figured the socket would take up about 1/3 of the board and I was not too wrong SlayVus posted:4 DIMM slots, 8 SATA slots, 3 m.2 slots and 1 u.2, 3 front USB headers, 3 PCI-e 16x slots, dual Intel Gigabit, dual band WiFi, at least 8 power phases. Power phases go all the way up to 11 https://techreport.com/news/33040/asrock-x399m-taichi-squishes-threadripper-into-microatx
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Jan 8, 2018 18:00
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Rexxed posted:I still have a couple of 486 laptops with colors screens and everything. Time to sell them to bitcoiners for "safe" coin storage. No USB ports to epoxy? It's basically a hardware wallet!
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Jan 10, 2018 15:22
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:AMD actually does frequency binning, which is why you have a pretty tight range of overclock expectations per SKU with relatively few outliers and out of those, they seem to be restricted to utter comedy like an 8 core R3 1300x How does Intel do it if not by frequency?
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Jan 19, 2018 16:08
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Efficiency. Everything we get on desktop that's below LGA 2066 are leaky runt bins that can't be used for laptops. There's no frequency binning being done at all and the K parts are actually incredibly leaky (which turns out to be better OC the more powerful your cooling solution is), which is why when BCLK overclocking was a thing some people found that their i5-6400s clocked better than some 6700ks, which is exactly why Intel stopped it again. Huh! Thanks. That makes a lot of things about overclockability make sense that previously didn't.
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Where does der8auer get the money to do all this poo poo from? Making turbonerdy videos about the minutiae of CPU packaging can't be that lucrative.Mr Shiny Pants posted:Hey if my 16 Core becomes a 32 Core you won't hear me complain. You mean like https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/EPYC7000/H11SSL-i.cfm ? e: found on https://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/AMD_SP3.cfm?pg=MOBO where they also list a dual socket if you can swing an E-ATX and have, I'm guessing, ~$20k to burn Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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SamDabbers posted:I got an R7 1700 at launch and paid $110 for 16GB (2x8GB) of DDR4-2933, which I thought was expensive at the time. How much higher will it go before prices get back to reasonable levels again? I really want to upgrade to 32GB, but definitely can't justify it at these prices, even though my machine has started swapping at times when working with multiple VMs. The more people give up on desktops in favor of laptops or tablets with keyboards, the more parts are going to cost 
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:I was kinda hoping for a Asrock motherboard. I did find another board but didn't feel it was worth mentioning because it'll come pre-stained from the factory in the form of the letters M, S and I in that order.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Okay that's pretty loving nice of them TBH THREADRIPHARDER obviously Palladium posted:lmao my spare PC somehow had AMD services running even though it had never used any AMD hardware since a fresh install Cool story bro
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Lowen SoDium posted:individual pairs shielded Oof that must suck to deal with
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:No it wasn't hard. At least with the keystones I used. Some might close and lock up in a different way and contact the shielding differently which can effect difficulty though. Just thinking about stripping the shielding off of 4 pairs per drop with my big ol' sausage fingers and you did 24, so 24 * 2 * 4 = ouch. Could be I just have bad memories from the last time I made my own taps. Ask me about slipping while stripping insulation and jamming the business end of a wire cutter not just into the end of my two fingers but also under a nail!
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Paul MaudDib posted:Potentially, if you only have one or two HDDs in your rig, you could do that with Gigabit too, if your mobo has dual NICs or you can add an adapter card. Having a dedicated channel between your main rig and your NAS actually owns pretty hard. Probably not cheaper than IB these days, but maybe more flexible. I used to do this with Firewire before gigabit became cheap enough for me 
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This feels like that argument a few months ago* over whether it was reasonable for Linux to automatically mount the BIOS as rw but with a ~whitepaper~ and made by opportunistic shitheads I'd like the SEC to ream out with a power drill. * I'm not sure if it was even in this thread sorry if that's confusing people
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:I don't really know why both AMD or Intel insist on doing this poo poo. Like I get why in theory its great to have and all but the real world implementations are clearly falling short here. The customers that actually matter because they buy the most hardware want remote management that can do things like surviving a user savvy enough to leverage physical access into an unauthorized OS root, so they're drat well gonna get it. Then AMD has to do it for feature parity. IDK how you make it more secure than requiring root or physical access plus signed code to run. As in, unless there's a problem with the signature verification or the private key is public, that's a secure setup.
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Malcolm XML posted:This is totally legal btw it's what short sellers do all the time. It'd be really hard to show stock bashing since these are in fact vulnerabilities. I believe you, but it'd be nice if there were consequences to lying with the truth.
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Mar 15, 2018 17:01
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Alpha Mayo posted:So an attacker with kernel level access to the system can do kernel level things with it? I still don't see the exploit. You can also flash a corrupted Intel Management Engine into the BIOS and brick an Intel computer or permenantly change configuration settings most people aren't even aware of, is that also an "exploit"? The firmware validation bypass is a legitimate problem whether or not there was disclosure fuckery. The fuckery just made the whole situation a little more dangerous, so it shouldn't be glossed over.
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Mar 21, 2018 14:57
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:The kind of changes in firmware these vulns allow shouldn't be permitted short of cracking the hardware open and attempting to re-flash by soldering on to the serial pins and even that should be protected by some mechanism. Requiring physical access to update the TPM is a decent idea, but IDK how that'd go over with anyone who runs a decent sized DC. These things are going to have issues because humans are dumb, so you have to be able to update them and a workflow of 'push BIOS update' is a lot cheaper than 'open every server, plug in a USB stick and wait' so I know which one will be more popular.
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'you have no idea what your talking about' shitposts the shitposter in between hilariously ignorant shitposts e: actually they're not that funny but whatever
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FaustianQ posted:which can be done on a wraith spire Can't fit one in the case he picked.
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FaustianQ posted:Wraith Spire is 54mm, max height for the E-W150 is 63mm, no? The thing I found said it's 70mm 
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Khorne posted:I wish MS weren't lazy assholes who have left win8/win10 busted for gaming.  10 works fine for me? I even have a high-DPI, high-refresh monitor and an older very-much-neither-of-those-things monitor next to it. Granted, I don't see the point of playing a game windowed if you have a second monitor, but live your best life, I guess.
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Arzachel posted:I don't think it forced vsync on all windowed applications back then, did it? Oh, I see. That's an understandable design decision on the part of the Windows team - especially since most Windows installs are on laptops nowadays. Maybe take the money you guys insist on not spending on the high-factory-clocked chips and get a cheap second monitor so you can give one to your games then  yes, I'm aware that's not feasible for everyonee: this might partially be the Windows composition manager's fault?  below: as rendered when I opened the file; above: after highlighting and clearing the highlightOnly ever see this on VS and SMS, which is based on VS, so maybe they do something weird in their text renderer to keep it from shittiing itself when displaying huge files Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Khorne posted:That's the entire problem. If you have things going on your second monitor it messes up the primary. If you play in full screen then when you tab out the game minimizes on your primary and you have to deal with tabbing back in and can't see the game while doing stuff on your secondary. Civ VI works that way if I run it in DX12 mode. It also crashes a lot, but I didn't run it long in DX11(?) mode to compare. Guess I should play around with that and see what's up... if I have time and think to.
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Stanley Pain posted:Are you running multi monitor? Is one or more of your monitors Hi-DPi? Are you using >100% font rendering? Are you running different font scaling across 2+ monitors? Gosh how did you guess all of those?! Yeah, at work they gave me a 24 inch 1080 secondary monitor to go with a high-DPI laptop. At home I have a high-DPI main monitor and an old 1200x1600 secondary. The odd thing, to me, is it only happens with Visual Studio and derivatives. Like, what zany-assed thing are they doing that nobody else seems to be doing? Nothing else fuckes up like that, that I've found, at least.
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Stanley Pain posted:Microsoft is horrible when it comes to their UI elements following their own design principles. Event viewer, Taskmanager and a bunch of other apps within Windows also end up looking like crap. Oh plenty of stuff looks like rear end when it's scaled on the high-DPI - VS is just the only thing that gets font rendering straight up wrong on the normal-DPI monitor. I've been confused when scrolling through source code that looked invalid because it dropped the lower line from an equals sign, for instance, but then you highlight it and it's rendered correctly. Other programs, that I'm guessing rely on older APIs, just look like a blur effect has been applied consistently everywhere.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Probably because Windows is still hot garbage when it comes to consistently dealing with with high DPI support and the OEMs don't want to be fielding calls about why some random application is tiny and unreadable when it isn't something they can control. It's just blurry in a way that makes you rub your eyes (or presumably clean your glasses) to check if it's you or the thing you're looking at.
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