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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:People don't want a small government, they want an invisible government Yeah, people want what they want and don't really want to know how the secret sauce gets made. This is how you sell socialism in america.
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skasion posted:It's already about as hard as I would expect a book that literally says it's trying to make you sympathetic to her point of view to be. It gets across that her point of view is batshit nuts, totally isolated from reality by entitlement, riches, and sycophants (there's a particularly memorable passage where she, baffled by Sanders and Trump's success, asks one of her aides, "what is everyone so angry about?") and that's why she confused the map for the territory and why she was such a deluded fool who ran without a reason and lost without enthusiasm. Even the authors can't resist the temptation to deflate her and her campaigns attempt to blame others for her loss and suggest that sometimes the problem is blindness to one's own problems. If you want to read a book that just straight up bashes Hitlery Cunton without any pretense of sympathy for her, there's practically a cottage industry of that since the 90s Yeah this is my take on the book.
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Apr 28, 2017 14:44
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Toadvine posted:See, I think her poorly handled responses to the public concerning her emails/paid speeches/oscillating views are not to blame for her loss. I don't really think this election was a foregone conclusion- Hillary could have won with a better-managed campaign because I don't think Donald Trump ran a particularly good campaign, just victory tends to gloss over problems. It was close enough that some different tactics could've won, despite Hillary's weakness as a candidate. I say this as someone who's a big bernie guy and hated the poo poo out of hillary.
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Apr 29, 2017 16:06
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Radical and BADical! posted:surely it couldn't be that tim kaine is a corporatist neo lib who is also religious, right? If your models tell you you're going to win the swing states and your strategy is to penetrate into red territory, then tim kaine makes sense. Keep in mind that the hillary campaign didn't even use polling, they used mathematical models.
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May 13, 2017 21:59
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donald trump is a neocon lol but he hid it better than shillary
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May 14, 2017 01:42
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The more internet politics seeps in to real life politics the more hosed up things are gonna be.
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May 15, 2017 15:21
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spacetoaster posted:There's actually a lot of ways people on either side of the "aisle" could work together. It's a lot more complicated than that- if it was that easy, it would already be done.
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May 15, 2017 16:26
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spacetoaster posted:Sure. I'm talking about me personally. From my personal experience, when I talk politics with my republican buddies, what happens really fast is that we get nowhere because we don't even come from the same frame of reference. Take abortion, for example. If you believe abortion is murder, then honestly your proposal to increase sex education to reduce abortions doesn't make sense- their position is that the whole thing should be illegal. The problem for them is abortion itself, not unwanted children. We can't really debate because we come from totally different perspectives. This is why, while I have republican friends, I rarely discuss politics with them. It leaves me thinking a lot less of them and probably leaves them thinking similarly of me.
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May 15, 2017 17:05
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spacetoaster posted:It's just being super pragmatic. Being 100% against abortion right this second isn't going to stop a single abortion. Promoting sex education and birth control will (well, there's a high probability it will). A totally logical human being probably would, but most people aren't. Especially people who you need to convince about abortion. They have a pretty easy answer: "You know what's even easier- closing your legs if you don't want a baby." As I said, frames of reference. For you, that makes perfect sense, for them, you sound like an idiot.
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May 15, 2017 17:24
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VikingSkull posted:they are called wedge issues for a reason "Foreign policy" and "economic issues" are really vague. If you discuss vague principles, you can easily get agreement. If you discuss any individual economic issue, though, i'm fairly sure you will get similar disagreement to what I just said about abortion. You'll see it here- people who support bernie, but then proceed to argue against everything he was for, like free college, free healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, etc.
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May 15, 2017 18:01
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The internet has kinda hosed with the way criticism goes, too. I would say a lot of the reason is that the internet gives us tools to immediately fire back with the first thing that comes to mind combined with the echo chamber effect that the internet has. Criticism from certain people becomes 'racism' and from other people it's 'censorship'
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May 15, 2017 18:44
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FisheyStix posted:Say whatever else you want about the guy, the dude can navigate the waters of scandal with a steady hand. It's not everyone who's so devoted to his craft that he shrugs off people who go for the throat like that- I mean, these are the same people who broke jontron and any number other impious minor celebs. They can get nasty and loud. But ol James is here for the movies and the movies alone, and I really respect that. It's a trait that I frankly envy. Yeah he has restraint and tact and did a lot better than pdp or jontron.
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May 15, 2017 19:16
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VikingSkull posted:he killed TPP and is against lobbyists Against lobbyists so he made a bill to make it easier on them lol.
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May 16, 2017 15:10
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theperminator posted:Do you ever post anything other than the stock 2nd grader response of "nuh-uhhhh"? Donald trump's cabinet is a who's who of corporates. They don't need lobbyists if they run the thing, lol.
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May 16, 2017 15:14
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Zippy the Bummer posted:I mean it seems like Dems and people on the left and everybody in general should hate Bush way more because of the whole Iraq War business and the Patriot Act and all of that poo poo, and maybe Obama as well for basically continuing all of that, yet the whole establishment seems to hate Trump a lot more even though he's barely done anything yet. Seems strange to me Lol you want to give trump a chance.
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May 16, 2017 15:19
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theperminator posted:Because Wall Street liked George bush and hates Trump, and since nobody can think for themselves they behave however buzzfeed tells them to. A goldman sachs exec currently runs treasury just fyi. Seems like you sniff breitbart's farts.
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May 16, 2017 15:28
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spacetoaster posted:So new boss same as old boss? The notion that trump is 'hated' by wall street is laughable.
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May 16, 2017 16:17
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every time i talk with a republican who's actually politically active their main gripes are: people can sue businesses, there's too much regulation, and there's too many taxes. i don't think these people are progressives or even potential progressives, so if they claim they would vote for bernie, i would not believe them
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May 18, 2017 00:14
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Toadvine posted:Most voters aren't politically active. I don't doubt that but I don't think bernie had much of a chance in the primary just because of hillary's inertia and bernie wasn't really in the democratic circles that helped, say, obama defeat hillary in 08. He would've certainly done better in the regular.
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May 18, 2017 00:24
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spacetoaster posted:Yeah. Screw "those people". They aren't good like we are. what good do these positions offer? why should i consider listening to someone who says that it's too easy to sue people?
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May 18, 2017 02:45
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spacetoaster posted:These people sound pretty dumb. Yeah, that's what republicans sound like
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May 18, 2017 03:18
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Female trump probably takes some of the edge off his worst sensibilities as well. BTW, in Shattered, Hillary actually reportedly had someone who did a wonderful trump impression to do mock debates with her, but she took the wrong lesson from it, I think. She wasn't rattled, but she didn't change her approach at all. She just did what she was going to do. Had she actually responded to the weird poo poo trump did in the debates, even if it's just an exasperated look or a glare, it might have put him on the defensive and rattled him, but she chose to just let him do his thing which made it just seem zany. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Lol people think don progresses anything other than his own corporate profits and that of his buddies.
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