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Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

I thought May was unelected aswell?

Anyway, gently caress Rupert Murdoch and everyone working for him.

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Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Jose posted:

While i agree the daily mail isn't a murdoch rag

gently caress just realized this but too late, it's owned by Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere, a guy who really sticks up for the people!

edit: I keep confusing The Sun and Daily Mail, because the idea that england essentially has 2 Fox News is hard to comprehend.

Tingfinder has issued a correction as of 15:55 on Apr 21, 2017

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Jose posted:

There is also the daily express which is just as bad and has similar circulation :thumbsup:

wtf.. is england composed of old racist men?

*looks at english history*

wait, don't answer that.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Plutonis posted:

His great grandpa who was the Daily Mail founder was a straight up Nazi lol

Kinda like the far-right party who recently rose on the wave of fear in my country, their first leader was also a bona-fide nazi, and supported the nazis during the war, but that my friends is a story for another thread. (dictionary wants me to capitalize nazi, but gently caress 'em)

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013
Why does all the media outlets seem to hate Corbyn anyway? Even The Guardian hates him.

Is it just because he's a socialist? His policies seem pretty sensible on paper.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013
In that case they should probably consider making some changes, the polls are not looking great for them.

Obviously doesn't help that a lot of ill informed workers are voting for the rich people to screw them over, due to their misguided fears of immigrants. Seems like just some basic history lessons would make them realize how silly it is to just blame the immigrants.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Are there any charismatic MPs within Labour's left? Who's likely to carry the standard when Corbyn wipes out?

There was one named Jo Cox, but she was murdered.

edit: i should note that i don't think this was a conspiracy or anything, the murderer was a far-right racist:

Cox was singled out for attack as a "passionate defender" of the European Union and immigration. Mair viewed the Labour MP as "one of 'the collaborators' [and] a traitor" to white people.

The court heard testimony that during the attack, Mair had cried out "This is for Britain" as well as "keep Britain independent" and "Britain first"

Tingfinder has issued a correction as of 14:46 on Apr 22, 2017

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013
Ukip candidate Gisella Allen says she would bring back the death penalty by guillotine

"Ms Allen also wants to abolish nurseries, golf courses, plastic bags, sex education, free bus passes and LGBT communities."

Welp, looks like Nigel Farage has some competition for the rear end in a top hat award.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-a7696651.html

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

didnt expect to see UKIP borrowing policies from the left wing

I suppose some environmentalists wants to ban plastic bags in favor for more sustainable materials, not sure about the other ideas being leftist though, but i'd love to learn more about it if they are.

Oh i guess the guillotine was also leftist, but somehow i doubt that a ukipper wants to use it on the bourgeoisie.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

bring back hanging but only for joke ruiners

Sorry i can be dense like that sometimes

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013
Looks like there's still hope that May will screw this up:

British PM May refuses to rule out personal tax hikes after election

"The top-selling Sun newspaper splashed "No, No, No Prime Minister" on its front page while the Daily Telegraph said the prime minister risked a backlash, as the normally supportive newspapers attacked May's early campaign steps."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-may-idUSKBN17O0D6?il=0

Also Britain taking a backseat as Trump wants to do trade deal with EU first.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

How is Blair still politically relevant? Dude should be in jail for all the lies and fear he pushed to get UK into Iraq.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Top City Homo posted:

a poor person isn't in a position to provide jobs :smuggo:

Seize the means of production me ol' chum

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013
Wow those DUP guys are mad. May has no shame.

Here's a quote from idiot and silly name haver Edwin Poots:

"My view on the earth is that it's a young earth. My view is [it was created in] 4000 BC."

Many of them also don't believe in evolution. loving wankers.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

An insane mind posted:

Why the gently caress is Steve Bannon still relevant as anything other than a self-fellatio sideshow?

He is currently engaging in shady manipulation attempting to push European countries to the far right.

They have formed a coalition of fascist and racist countries, and set up what is essentially a school of the americas in italy, teaching neo-colonialism, economic and political manipulation.

One of their goals is to destroy the European union, so individual countries becomes easier to manipulate.

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Wamsutta posted:

Wait that's real? I thought that was a joke story. This dude Bannon really built a Nazi Hogwarts somewhere!

Here's a few links from various sources, they even call it a loving gladiator school:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/report-church-rejects-bannons-alt-right-academy-in-italy.html

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/steve-bannon-is-supporting-italian-right-wing-gladiator-school-2019-3

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/18/protesters-march-italian-monastery-steve-bannon-plans-train/

They are calling it The Academy of the Judeo-Christian West, which is a loving filthy name

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013
England looked at how things are going in the US right now and said hey that looks like a well functioning nation to emulate, let's select the biggest idiot we got to run the country, what could go wrong?

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

DeadButDelicious posted:

Do we know who the 21 Tory MPs having the whip removed are?

One of them was Sir Winston Churchills grandson.. Nice optics throwing him out of the conservative party

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Taintrunner posted:



bankers, on their hands and knees, crying and groveling as they beg BIGG COMMIE DADDY to save them from Brexit

wow never thought i'd see the day

Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Social media is wild and has been wild for the past 3 years but recently there's been a noted ramp up in complete loving idiots protecting no deal brexit and this lovely government of crooks.

It's not just me, right?

Dravs posted:

There is a huge amount of easily identifiable bots causing disruption if that's what you mean?

genericnick posted:

My dude the pro-brexit bots are the UK's anti disinformation campaign.

I've started archiving the bots on archive.org wayback machine, something weird happens when you have saved their twitter profiles to the wayback machine. The profiles will display, what i assume to be the language of the proxy the influence operative is currently using.

I see loads of Russian and Arabic languages, and even some Japanese. It seems other people has also been doing this, as several of the most noticeable and prolific bots have been saved to wayback machine many times. In those cases, if you go back to the first times the account was added it will often show English language, then it switched to Russian/Arabian etc when they figure out how to use a proxy.

99% of the bots i have found are spreading far-right propaganda, but i have also seen very few left-leaning ones, possibly to cover their asses they make a few of those also, or could be just random people operating independently, not sure.

The pro-brexit English bots seem to be a little more sophisticated, probably upgraded them after they got caught spreading anti-corbyn propaganda, and the whole cambridge analytica scandal, which smelled badly of intelligence work. Some of the trumpbots are so unsophisticated it is almost laughable how bad they are, for instance right as they were escalating with Iran, there suddenly appeared a bunch of weird Iranian regime-change bots that was super obvious.

It is very clear that there is some involvement from western intelligence agencies here, i'm not sure how they expect people to not catch on to this. Israel is using anti-bds as a cover to spread their propaganda, UK-US is doing the same surely.

There is a part in ZeroDays, the documentary about the Stuxnet virus, a very telling interview with James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence for USA, where he talks about the need to establish guidelines and rules for the use of these new cyber weapons, comparing it to the guidelines for use of nuclear weapons etc. He essentially says that as soon as the USA does something, the rest of the world assumes this is the new standard, which is why we suddenly have so many disinformation bots.

Sorry, i wrote a novel, but this is a big reason why we even have Trump and Brexit i think.

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Tingfinder
Oct 21, 2013

Olympic Mathlete posted:

This is fascinating, is there any other stuff written on this?

There's a website that tracks bots called botsentinel.com, and an app too that marks them and enables you to report/check activity

You can see alot of stats about them there, including which trending topics, accounts, etc they are currently pushing.

For instance trump and charliekirk are the most retweeted accounts by bots, in terms of hashtags its currently #MAGA, Trump2020, WWG1WGA, Ukraine, Trump2020LandslideVictory, Qanon, TeamFollowBack.

From that you can see that bots are very active pushing that Qanon stuff, and they have some sort of russian doll situation going on with bots following eachother, signal boosting everything.

There's been a few articles of bots, influence operations etc these last 3 years, my archives are insanely disorganized, but here's a few about the Israeli anti-bds stuff and in UK it was a program to counter russian propaganda it seems.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/10/foreign-office-investigates-report-state-funded-body-targeted-corbyn

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Training-activists-in-the-social-media-war-against-BDS-459329

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-okays-72-million-anti-bds-project/

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/12/11/by-posting-anti-corbyn-tweets-this-black-ops-organisation-has-just-shot-itself-in-the-foot/

I'm pretty sure this is just the way things are now, and various states, corporations etc will be sponsoring influence operations from here on out, until such a time as there is some guidelines setup and agreed upon internationally, as to what can and cannot be done in this new realm of 'cyber' as they call it.

Oh that documentary i mentioned earlier, Zero Days is a great watch if you havn't checked it. It mostly deals with electronic warfare, but many of the things they discuss can easily be applied to influence operations too, namely the need for some regulations on this poo poo.

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