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SteelMentor posted:

I've been watching clips of Bill Nye's new show recently, and got a little curious after seeing some... choice comments on these clips and turned off my censorship add-on for a moment to see the recommended videos.

It's pretty funny to see the self-proclaimed champions of science, logic and rationality tripping over each other to pump out hour long screeds calling The Science Guy a cuck or a SJW or a (((Globalist))) for... laying out scientific arguments for progressive policies. Truly the intellectual minds of tomorrow

His newest show is piss garbage though, it's "let's spout off a list of science facts for people with an attention span shorter than a gold fish". Yeah you have to dumb down things but unlike Cosmos he didn't do it well.

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boner confessor posted:

fifteen minutes to say "hard sciences > soft sciences"

i dont understand where people find the time to watch these things to conclusion

normal reality: being more verbose != making the better argument

idiot reality: being more verbose == making the better argument

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System Metternich posted:

Sargon's on a roll today:

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/861589168840945664

(it's the fascist paramilitary Azov battalion :ssh:)

pretty sure sargon thinks "antifa" is synonymous with "anyone who shows up masked to a protest and/or general event drawing crowds and does a violence"

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Jack Gladney posted:

There have been some fat and scrawny "free-speech" larpers in some very embarrassing Mad-Max gear showing up at protests that have to be from 4chan.

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RottenK posted:

What upset the manchildren this time? Are they still mad about the lesbian?

I would have expected the manchildren demographic to go more heavily for the "lesbians are hot :fap:" angle.

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Acknowledging gay people is extremely political. The forums were hilarious. Just because she tongue kissed her room mate doesn't mean they're gay! (Tracer still might date me) As a 100 hour tracer playtime player I am extremely upset to have the rug pulled under my feet!

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Mewnie posted:

So I've noticed something on Twitter- I get promoted tweets and whenever a trailer for the upcoming Baywatch movie comes up, a flood of Libertarians, Pepe and Classical bust avatars start saying how terrible it is and why does "Holly-pedo-wood" keep making this trash :allears:

Is this part of their war against Cultural Marxism? Shitposting on Twitter about dumb comedy movies? This is the culture wars to them?

This may shock you, but basement dwelling manchildren do, in fact, think that shitposting on the internet is the culture wars.

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Watch out! The Republic of Gamers is on the war path!

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I still laugh every time someone self-identifies as a ~*~gamer~*~.

No poo poo, people including me like wasting a lot of time on games, but basing your whole identity on ~~~ I play computer games ~~~ instead of just saying "gaming is my hobby" is dumb and sad and you should seek professional help.

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OwlFancier posted:

UKIP are libertarian nutters with a xenophobic bent.

I suppose the BNP might theoretically have been that but they're also literal nazis so I wouldn't really call them socialist because I assume their socialism is just a front for fascism.

It's just... it's really hard for me to understand the use of the word socialism or social democracy or anything like that because no implementation of those I've experienced has come with the rider "except no black people".

They're explicitly universalist because that's the motivation that created them, they were created in response to internationalist communist agitation as an appeasement.

The words just mean really different things to me I guess.

To most people, "socialism" doesn't mean "socialism", but "the government gives me free stuff, which the government probably took from other people". Obviously, you want more stuff for yourself especially if it's taken from undesirables.


rkajdi posted:

Heh, didn't even see this tweet before now. Was May trying to throw the election? Or do the Tories not even care how awful they sound?

I would go so far it's not even that they don't care, it's that they don't realise why anyone would think "we'll take everyone's rights away and break this newfangled internet thing" is actually a bad position and enjoy not having to cater to the dumb voters who disagree.

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Pencils R Cool posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JymtGcDAg-M

In which a man who claims to be left-wing has a complete meltdown because a Socialist did well in an election.

He said he's a leftist, not a socialist, you idiot :downs:

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Groovelord Neato posted:

being depressed with his money and mansion with a candy room that he outbid beyonce and jay z for after loving over everyone from his company except for the cfo.

so he didn't give everybody the $1m severance he said he would in the end?

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everyone should just gently caress each other and in the end all humans will have a light brown skin tone :v:

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Mr Interweb posted:

How is this rear end in a top hat considered to be on "the left" again?

In principle, he could be economically left but socially right. In reality, he's economically wrong and socially wrong.

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

There was a cnn opinion piece around that time about how silence is confused with consent and it's a duty of moderate Christians like the author to speak out against hardliners. So I've seen the opinion exactly once.

It's a correct opinion. If you're actually a devout christian (not just someone who went to church once in the last 5 years and stays nominally christian because grandma might disapprove if they didn't) then it's your job to point out that idiots shouting about how god hates fags are actually idiots and embarrass you by association.

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Actually, verbal (or textual) harassment is good & we should have more of it.

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"These dudes making endless amounts of videos about me"

Maybe it's because your points are endlessly bad.
And all I could think was that they make constant videos about her because they're empty vessels and their followers are massive cry babies when it comes to video games.

random chick on the internet has different opinions than you?

better upload a dozen hour long rants about chicks being wrong on the internet!!!

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rkajdi posted:

It's the same fight that has been happening in every corner of the nerd community:

1. Nerds set themselves up in some corner of fringe culture. Some of these guys are already the dreg losers we all worry about.
2. Losers glob onto this community, because nerds don't know how to police people out for being creepers, pedos, and bigots. See the nerd social fallacies for details.
3. Culture at large turns and these things become a little more interesting to normal people.
4. Losers get mad, because they realize that if things get normalized, they can't use the hobby for grooming/sex harassment/general creeper and white dude safe space.
5. Losers strike out against the cultural vanguards of normalcy moving in, which generally means women, minorities, etc.

We really haven't gotten to 6 with anything yet with any of this stuff. I'd like to hope it ends up with normal culture fully appropriating the corner, and the losers getting the boot when they don't comply. But it's not a guarantee and requires a lot of work to get done. I'm actually pretty sure video games will get there unless the industry implodes first, because there's real money and culture behind it. Normal culture puts up with some bigotry unfortunately, but the weird sex (body pillows and cranking it to anime) and pedo stuff will get you removed post haste. So these losers will constantly end up having to stay one step away from the long arm of society, or will get owned by even standard bigots like the "What about the memes?" Kekistani was at the Oathkeeper rally.

The real goal for all of us is to make sure that during step 5, these losers don't get to ruin decent people's lives (as happened to Zoe Quinn and her new boyfriend) and make sure they don't scorched earth the culture on their way out the door, like regressive comics fan are trying to do. Because these guys would totally rather something not exist than lose their grasp on it.

You forget the part where nerds who are just sort of socially awkward but not specifically regressive shitheads will still hate normies for taking over their hobbies, because gently caress normies coming in and taking over the only poo poo they didn't already take from baby nerds.

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mojo1701a posted:

Like I said, lower level. Being on the radio means you at least have to have some standard. Carlgon is just... there. The fact that he actually has followers is astonishing. He should be a nothing.

It's because there are people who are even shittier than him and unable to achieve even the minimal feat of pointing a camera at their face and rambling in largely intelligible if simple sentences. If you're shittier than Carlgon, you're going to listen to Carlgon because he's at least within your frame of reference as a slightly less embarassing failure at life, not to some actual smart person you can't place in your personal experience because they're too far ahead of you.

Basically, Carlgon is the King of Loser Mountain.

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happyhippy posted:

He used to be watchable, when the anti-SJW was a new thing. Like when videos of female students demanding that men all commit CIS suicide. He sounded sane in comparison.
Then he started to lick up to Milo, had him on for a few episodes, went out for a few drinks with Milo, probably hosed Milo.
In my eyes he started to go mental after Milo got twitter banned, but when Brexit started he really ramped up the vitirol.

was milo carlgon's waifu, and could he not bear to see the only other human being who didn't recoil in disgust at the thought of banging carlgon getting banned on twatter

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Groovelord Neato posted:

it's like new ghostbusters. thanks to the mouth breathers you can't (rightfully) criticize it because all of them flipped out over THE GHOUL FIGHTERS ARE LADIES NOW NOT MY GHOSTBUSTERS!!!??? the best part about that was those vocal chuds seemed to only enjoy ghostbusters on a superficial level anyway, like action figures and tee shirts and poo poo and not as an all-time great comedy so their meltdown was doubly stupid.

or the guy who made that dragon cancer whining it wasn't selling because people could just watch it on youtube. i mean it sucks to say so to some dude whose kid died of cancer but uhh maybe make a game that's worth playing??


it does kind of own how in their insanity these gamegate types have made their targets unassailable to even correct criticism. their own worst enemies.

:agreed:

I would also be interested in a comparative study of the overlap between people who, say, post obsessively long wookiepedia articles about "Unnamed Rodian in a Jacket"'s 5 second appearance in a Star Wars Clone Wars clip (which by itself would make them somewhat awkward but ultimately harmless spergs who just spend too much time thinking about the minutiae of random crap), and the kind of people who flip their poo poo over SJW BLACK GAY LESBIANS IN MUH GHOSTBUSTERS. There's probably some overlap (the first group does include "George Lucas/Disney raped my childhood with the new Star Wars movie" types after all, though there is the question of whether this type of person would specifically be upset over progressive-looking elements or just over the fact that any changes at all were made to their favourite means of escapism), but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of spergs would just retreat into even more obscure corners of the internet to flee the increasing level of social interaction imposed on them by having to deal with the slapfight between regressive edgelords and easily triggered tumbleristas/normal people.

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Dreylad posted:

I think the part where she links the counterculture of transgression of the 1960s as well as the excesses of identity politics to the alt-right made some people feel very defensive.

Heh. They do protest to much, I would say :v:

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

They're also the ones setting precedent for people to yell that criticism is racism or whatever. They really do less than nothing to preserve the world they want

Idiots bad at achieving goal, news at 11 :v:

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

i can understand supreme court wise. you have to work with each other until you retire or die. you kinda have to become friends or at least get along.

i mean i have friends who are right wing, even far right wing, it sucks sometimes but their is life outside politics.

Yeah in the end it's just about being part of the same social circles, be it "world leaders" or "youtubers who really loving care about the internet culture war and those other youtubers who also really loving care about the internet culture war but have the wrong opinions". You might deeply disagree on everything that has real world impact, but unless you're just going to knife the other guy in the back then and there, you have to treat the actual issues as a game where all players are buddies or at least capable of being civil to avoid going mad.

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Groovelord Neato posted:

civility is garbage.

yeah but so is the alternative, you gotta choose

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Praseodymi posted:

Actually shouting down garbage humans has a pretty good track record, which trying to all get along and appease them has literally never worked.

lovely liberalism is the least bad option right up until the point where you can justify a glorious revolution or at least a moderate upheaval of the social order. Arguably, even at a small scale, sad idiots like Carlgon don't merit that level of attention :v:

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E: also people who complain about lefty snowflakes and safe spaces should probably get the poo poo kicked out of them at every opportunity just to prove what hypocrites they are.
:agreed: it's funny how tough manly rightwing men also turn into scared little snowflakes at the slightest hint of pushback.

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OwlFancier posted:

What is "tumblr liberalism" in this context and why is it bad?

Because the only use of it I've ever come across can at absolute worst be described as faintly tedious if you have no reason to care about it.

alt right definition: everything to the left of milo. keywords: SJW, snowflake, third wave feminism, trigglypuff

normal definition: feelgood liberalism that's often divorced from reality and more focused on self-congratulatory circle jerks or making a show of being hostile to Bad PeopleTM without any further attempts at solving or even considering the root causes of why there are too many Bad PeopleTM

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aware of dog posted:

Isn't a thing among any person who matters. Y'all are just giving legitimacy to people who characterize any and all social justice activism as just neon-haired, screeching harpies.

Eh. The outrageous examples rarely cross over from tumblr to real life, but saying that self-styled progressives have settled into lovely ineffectual tactics more suited for internal propaganda than actually beating people who don't already agree with your underlying assumptions is valid IMO.

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

this. they exist but they are rarer then people act like.

:agreed: to an extent, but in practical terms, movements are often measured by their loudest crazy lunatic members rather than by their average members in the eyes of the public unless they manage to become such a successful mass movement that an appreciable proportion of the public becomes average members. Also, this

Dreylad posted:

As Nagle argues, Tumblr politics matter as much as 4chan politics insomuch that they themselves aren't important but the kinds of transgressive identity politics they dole out have spawned bigger movements and reactions across the Internet. Being critical of the extremes of identity politics isn't condoning other kinds of criticism that tend to come in the form of the harassment of women and minorities. Nagle herself is a feminist and she criticizes modern ID politics from a feminist perspective.
is a valid point (plus it means that SA is relevant by the transitive property :v.)

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OwlFancier posted:

So, uh, this thread?

'Cos I mean, I'm not trying to be a dickhead but people circularly discussing topics without doing anything of substance is life. It's just a part of how people deal with a lovely world, it's nice to just have a common grumble with people who agree with you and I don't really see anything wrong with that given that there's bugger all any given person can do to change the state of the whole world. If it makes people adhere to not-poo poo ideas on an entirely personal level, that's frankly a net plus as far as I'm concerned. I don't really see a reason to complain about it.

Yes, of course, and it's fun to ineffectually laugh at silly youtube pepe men (and women!) and call them names.

The problem is when people forget that to actually achieve social progress, tactics other than laughing at silly youtube pepes and calling them names are needed to convince people who aren't also already laughing at silly youtube pepes and calling them names.

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Groovelord Neato posted:

some of us do donate money to progressive candidates and causes and also physically protest.

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think people "forget" that, I think that, as always, the overwhelming majority of people are never going to engage in that anyway. And that communities forming around promoting half decent ideas to fairly niche audiences, remains substantially preferable to people adopting lovely ideas or remaining utterly apathetic and simply propping up the lovely status quo.

The complaint would make sense if the insular microclimates that you find with more 'avant garde' sex/gender issue communities, were actually hoarding all the hardened revolutionaries who await only the spark of true socialist thought to get them out and instigating the class war but I think what you're observing is simply people who would probably otherwise be fairly disengaged, engaged in a very specific way which makes them frankly very safe people from a progressive viewpoint, they're people who would be very hard pressed to become regressive, that's far better than the default you're working with in society.



No, I don't have a problem with people who aren't trying to convince anyone having a circle jerk. I mean cases where people who at least claim to try to change or publicly debate things still act like they're having a private circle jerk, e.g. half the Guardian comment pages 18 months ago being filled by vacuous whingeing about how electing Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader is an insult to all women because electing Corbyn out of a lineup of $TokenCentristMan1, $TokenCentristMan2, $TokenCentristWoman1, $TokenCentristMan3, $TokenCentristWoman2 and actual socially and economically progressive jam man Corbyn was clear evidence for the existence of a sexist Brocialist demographic.

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Groovelord Neato posted:

some of us do donate money to progressive candidates and causes and also physically protest.

i figured tumblr liberalism would be more the centrist clintonism where you pay lip service to social justice but don't really care about class or inequality in a general sense as you're probably decently well off. just the inability to realize that class and identity politics are fully intertwined.

OwlFancier posted:

I find it rather strange to characterize that as "tumblr liberalism" rather than just "liberalism"

That's textbook bourgie middle class liberalism, it's old as the bloody hills.

Like the graun isn't tumblr, it's the world's longest running case study on well off liberal idiots with too much access to education and not enough actual brain cells nor the economic pressure to develop a facsimile of them.

It's not a progressive paper, it's not an anything paper except for a mouthpiece for a small section of the population that loves to have opinions without having either the experience or depth of academic rigor to substantiate them. It's a paper written by the chattering classes, for the chattering classes, about things that only the chattering classes could sincerely appreciate.


"Corbyn is divisive, not statesmanlike, and due to his insistence on being moderately yet distinctly left cannot unite the country to achieve more freedoms, prosperities and rights like a ~reasonable $TokenCentrist~ with no discernible political opinions who represents the low-fat version of everything anyone could possibly be for or against" is IMO a classical bourgie-as-gently caress liberal stance.
"Corbyn is a man, voted in by an unspecified mass of sexist men no matter his socially progressive leanings, and is therefore worse than $TokenCentrist" is lovely idpol that totally misses the point but makes for a great self-congratulatory comment to show how ~socially aware~ you are.
Obviously, arguments similar to the latter would have already existed before (Tumblr users didn't invent the arguments they barely understand, as you pointed out), but I do have the distinct and totally not anecdotal (:v:) experience that this line of "reasoning" has become more common

Groovelord Neato posted:

or people saying how they cried at wonder woman despite the movie being not actually feminist at all. where were all these people when way more feminist and much better film mad max fury road was out??

the reaction to wonder woman brought this to mind:

https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/839732795706593281

:trumppop: harsh but true, and agreed that mad max fury road is extremely feminist (but because it's called mad max fury road it can't possibly be feminist you see)

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"tumblr feminism" is a term meant to pigeonhole people. other than using the label tumblr, there's no cohesive way to tie "them" all together.

it's good that we were actually talking about how feminists are weak-willed wimminfolk in need of a good red pilling rather than something else then, in addition to focusing on strawman people who state "attack helicopter (specifically NH90 TTH Caïman, recon loadout but with a crate of wine and baguette for the post-battle celebrations in the trunk)" as their gender

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I don't know if this is what is being referred to, but I find there's a certain strain of liberalism that seems to genuinely enjoy the idea of being correct and cares far more about laying burns on conservatives than actually creating concrete positive change. The main reason I notice this is that this is basically how I was until the end of college or so. Even though I wouldn't have admitted it at the time, on some level I truly enjoyed the Bush years because it was honestly fun to make fun of conservatives and point out their latest gently caress-ups. There was some comfort in knowing I was right and these other people were evil and wrong.

I've noticed a resurgence of this same attitude since Trump was elected. It is transparently obvious that many liberals actually enjoy being able to make fun of the president's latest dumb tweets, and they like the feeling of "being part of something big/important" that comes from being part of the ~#resistance~ or whatever.

I think part of the reason there's a backlash is that the people who focus heavily on laying burns on Trump usually don't focus much on any sort of positive change that goes beyond thwarting Republican malfeasance. So you end up with people who are deeply unhappy with the status quo who see a bunch of financially secure liberals treating politics as some sort of fun debate and ignoring the issues that concern them. You then sometimes end up with these people making the association between liberals like this and social issues, which results in them thinking of said social issues as being somehow opposed to their own concerns. This is of course nonsense, but it's at least partially the unfortunate result of liberals neglecting to addressing issues like wealth inequality, etc.

Better put than I could at this time of day

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Groovelord Neato posted:

lol how is toxic masculinity a derogatory term.

it has "toxic" and "complicated word to do with men" in the same term, it's obviously anti-man! (I'm pretty sure his thought process hasn't gone much further)

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why does sargon know nothing.
because he's an idiot

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does he speed up his videos or just talk too fast like a moron.
yes

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Fados posted:

Tumblr SJWs are to liberals what Ayn Rand devotees are to free-market republicans

but all of these are bad?

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happyhippy posted:

I was thinking of posting 'how much you want to bet Sargon will do a vid about Corbyn's speech at Glasto' earlier today, but had second thoughts.
Turns out Im right, he has a 1 hour cry about it.

I, for one, thank Sargon for providing unintentional comedy so good it's funny without actually needing to watch it :sotw:

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Sazabi posted:

Fury road never pulls the "You drive pretty good, for a girl." It's like Alien where a character exists and no one ever acts surprised at her compidence. Furiosa is seen as an equal by the other characters beside her. WW is all about guys being skeptical of a lady going to war and then shocked as she does super stuff. Which flows into acceptance.

So I could see how WW shows a world changing it's views on woman deserving equal treatment. And that's one message, however Fury Road(at least with Furiosa, the "we are not things" harem is a different story element) shows a world where everyone expects a healthy adult to be dangerous and capable. Because those are the only ones who can survive in the wastes.

Yeah, and I wonder whether "oh wow it turns out wimmin are actually people and can sometimes do things, this is such a surprise!" is a good message to habituate the uncaring masses to, compared to "it's normal and unsurprising that women are good at things, much like other people".

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Guavanaut posted:

There is a trend of self criticism within some parts of internet social justice that makes Maoism look liberal. Whatever you do right will piss off someone from one area while not going far enough for others. Done right, it can lead into a constructive dialectic to build better positions and be more intersectional. Done wrong it can lead to callout culture and being told you're a piece of garbage for missing some details about demiromantics out of what is supposed to be sex ed for the general population.

And the internet often does things wrong, especially in the comments section.

It's a lot easier to go and join the pro team that doesn't even bother to stop you having wrong and harmful opinions and gives you high fives for making any poo poo as long as the target is right. Worse, but easier.

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OwlFancier posted:

I guess I'm a sufficiently inherent knobhead to be able to tone that out a little.

Yeah, but a lot of people who haven't grown up as nerdy SA-style lighthearted trolls and shitposters but ten years later as twattering popular teens using the internet as a regular social space full of friendly social networks, "internet people are terrible and will tell you you're worthless and should jump off a cliff for inconsequential stupid reasons, you should ignore them early and often" is probably a new and harsh lesson.

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