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Morroque posted:I can talk about him somewhat. If you were to tell me a year ago that Jordan Peterson would've been considered part of the alt-right crowd on Youtube, I wouldn't have believed you. He might not have been known worldwide, but in Canada he was certainly not a nobody. He was a frequent guest of many provincial television stations in Ontario, and a rather reliable one too. He had his own short-lived-but-unironically-good TV program which should be buried in his Youtube channel somewhere. He even had an hour on Canada's most prestigious intellectual radio program, and they don't just hand that poo poo out. Just to clarify because there's enough rumours that become truths out there already: I hadn't heard any rumours about his satisifaction/dissatisfaction about his academic career, I was merely speculating as to his motives. Certainly he makes enough money from this stuff, but on the other hand he's a tenured University of Toronto professor, one of the best paying universities in one of the best paying countries for academic tenure in the world. boner confessor posted:fifteen minutes to say "hard sciences > soft sciences" they're invested in hearing other people telling them they're right Dreylad fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Carecat posted:His entire assumption for her being from a rich background that invalidates her experience as a social worker is that the area she grew up has expensive houses today? also https://twitter.com/PoppyNoor/status/859495940130054144
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May 2, 2017 21:08
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Zenithe posted:Peter Hadfield (Potholer54) is fantastic, although his focus has turned mostly to climate change idiots than creation science idiots. at least that's a better use of his time.
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May 3, 2017 16:26
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1stGear posted:And even if you are deeply unqualified to debate a PhD in their field, you should still probably take it seriously and try to make a good showing as opposed to thinking "Well, she's a womz talking about silly womz stuff, clearly I'll blow her out of the water with my male rationality." I don't think any of these people are qualified to debated a PhD in their field, to be fair. I figured some of them would be disgruntled academics, but outside the few profs most of these jokers seem to adults who should really go back for some education or young kids.
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May 9, 2017 00:39
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:EDIT: Also, while I enjoy Lindsay Ellis' latest video, I could really do with some essay on Nazism that doesn't feel the obligation to quickly detour into Hannah Arendt's banality of evil for 5 minutes. Surely by now everyone is familiar with the basic concept? On second thought... probably not. Arendt's essays are fading into historical memory even as we continue to discuss the Holocaust today. People take it for granted today that the Holocaust was an atrocity that we always knew about and always cared about. As Tony Judt argues: "But if we wish to grasp the true significance of evil—what Hannah Arendt intended by calling it “banal”—then we must remember that what is truly awful about the destruction of the Jews is not that it mattered so much but that it mattered so little.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:04
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business hammocks posted:This seems implausible. Lots of scholarship predates the 80s, and political scientists and philosophers have been fixated on the hows and whys since the 50s. Plus in the realm of the arts alone you have Judgment at Nuremberg and The Pawnbroker in the 60s. Plus like, I don't know, gross Bruno Matei porno and Salon Kitty or whatever. From the essay I posted earlier: quote:That is why, to take a famous example, when Primo Levi took his Auschwitz memoir Se questo è un uomo to the major Italian publisher Einaudi in 1946 it was rejected out of hand. At that time, and for some years to come, it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, not Auschwitz, which stood for the horror of Nazism; the emphasis on political deportees rather than racial ones conformed better to reassuring postwar accounts of wartime national resistance. Levi’s book was eventually published, but in just 2,500 copies by a small local press. Hardly anyone bought it; many copies of the book were remaindered in a warehouse in Florence and destroyed in the great flood there in 1966.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:51
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paul joseph watson freaks me out because he sounds at times almost like ringo starr at the same age so some day I'm going to wake up and all the trains on Shining Time Station are going to be arriving on time
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Jun 13, 2017 16:45
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rkajdi posted:The problem is what was posted there just looks like the Protocols of Zion with the serial numbers filed off. Complaints about transnational capital run by "elites" seem to just be the same old poo poo with enough of a new coat of paint to sell to the left. It's about blaming some different person who doesn't have stupid, unyielding loyalty to your nation the way you, the sober working class white, do. There's also the unwritten assumption that because I was born in country X, I am more worthy of gaining employment in country X. That's a dangerous as gently caress idea, because that's the end of free migration of people and also the beginning of supporting the kind of nativism that tends to end with a pile of foreign or minority corpses. The solution is better education for people from day one, but good luck on getting the My Country Right or Wrong types to shut up and sit down when their kids are taught that there's nothing special about being born a citizen. That isn't what was posted at all and looks like an intentional misreading of a nuanced view about having an anti-globalization stance!
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Jun 19, 2017 21:03
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I just finished Angela Nagle's book Kill All Normies about the alt-right/alt-light and while she doesn't directly touch any garbage humans (why bother) she does explore 4chan culture and the right of the alt-right. Also touches on gamergate and all the other crap that preceded where we are now. It's good.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:07
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boner confessor posted:is something awful mentioned Yeah, both as the originator of 4chan via moot and ADTRW (it's really weird to see the full name of that subforum in a real rear end book) and the stepping off point to gamergate when Quinn's disgruntled ex-boyfriend spewed some garbage. She called Depression Quest a bad game which some people on twitter seem to think that she is a pro-gamergater anti-feminist or some poo poo. 
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Jun 23, 2017 21:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:well, i mean the game is terrible and i like weird though provoking poo poo. Quinn didnt deserve any of the awful poo poo at all, but she isnt some magical game creating genius/humaniterian/amazing person that needs constant adulation and sainthood in my opinion. Yeah and Nagle basically says as much. Not surprisingly she is deeply sympathetic to women like Sarkeesian who have been the recipients of multi-year hate campaigns driven by the alt-right for the gentlest basic feminist critique of some video games. Ironically she was ran off twitter because progressive/SJW leftists didn't like her thesis.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:21
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business hammocks posted:What part? Her argument that the left needs new ideas and that the twitter pepes are a symptom of capitalist decay without viable alternatives? I think the part where she links the counterculture of transgression of the 1960s as well as the excesses of identity politics to the alt-right made some people feel very defensive.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:31
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As Nagle argues, Tumblr politics matter as much as 4chan politics insomuch that they themselves aren't important but the kinds of transgressive identity politics they dole out have spawned bigger movements and reactions across the Internet. Being critical of the extremes of identity politics isn't condoning other kinds of criticism that tend to come in the form of the harassment of women and minorities. Nagle herself is a feminist and she criticizes modern ID politics from a feminist perspective.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:18
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blowfish posted:is a valid point (plus it means that SA is relevant by the transitive property :v.) As someone in QCS or somewhere said, SA is now more famous now in the things it's spawned than the site itself.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:26
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business hammocks posted:I've been reading a media scholar named Whitney Phillips who just released a new book about memes and internet discourse called The Ambivalent Internet. Her understanding of the internet is that it's basically built on bullying as entertainment, whether down to the depths of 4chan or just on the surface of the now-dead Gawker or all those viral videos of parents humiliating their kids in "funny" ways. Her thesis is that it's all about turning people into objects that are entertaining, and I think there's an argument to be made that links Philip's broad understanding of the internet with the specific teen culture war between tumblr and 4chan, that the internet as a medium dehumanizes its objects. That could be really obvious, but I have only recently come to realize the political significance of the internet culture war. Same here on the significance of it. Nagle basically approaches it from the same broad angle. She uses the Kony 2012 as the first big "modern" viral video from celebration, to condemnation, to laughing at the creator having a meltdown being naked and masturbating in public. Same thing with Harambe in 2016. The internet allows for transgression to become the dominant form of counterculture to keep out "normies" and in doing so becomes entertainment and, eventually a political statement.
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Jun 24, 2017 00:42
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Ytlaya posted:Taken alone, there's obviously nothing wrong with making fun of Trump or whatever, but people can tell from reading liberal op-eds or watching liberal politicians and pundits on TV that such discourse has a disproportionate presence. Economic problems aren't focused on much unless it's in the specific context of Republicans being bad. Heck, even social issues are usually only focused on in the context of the bad things Republicans are doing; there's no real solutions given for addressing issues like systemic racism that go beyond thwarting Republicans or people independently policing each others' behavior (which I agree is important, but it's only one piece of the puzzle). Since I started this derail I'll add: it's not just liberalism that is suffering from this malaise Remember that the alt-right calls some conservatives "cuckservatives" because they see them as ineffectual and impotent on issues that matter most to them (centering around white ethno-nationalism), just as on the material left there are serious ideological differences across all sorts of lines. People along most ideological lines are tired of the old guard in their own way, even as is there pushback from that old guard. I'd argue that as the dominant ideology, liberalism is far more entrenched and unwilling to meet critiques of what it has become over the last 10 years older social conservatives giving way to the alt-right. And I'll just add, just because I'm comparing these different ideologies does not mean I'm saying they're morally equivalent.
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Jun 24, 2017 00:51
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The alt-right and SJW left (I really am not trying to diss the latter here by calling them that) both operate with the understanding that politics exists downstream of culture and have a pretty strong grip on dominant Internet cultures. That has manifested into the real world in politics in different ways, most notably in American and European federal politics and university campuses respectively. That is not to say they're equal or anything at all, but merely both ideologies broadly understood operate in the same manner and view culture, identity, and power in very similar ways.
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Jun 24, 2017 00:56
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business hammocks posted:Does the SJW left have its own set of public figures? Except for Richard Spencer, the public reactionary right seems mostly made up of grifters like our boy Sargon who's living large on his $60,000 a year, plus maybe some dumb teens like the guy dating Laci Green. Maybe I'm forgetting someone, but I can't think of anyone who I'd name as a leading light of the youtube SJW left. I don't think it has a leading figure because there's a lot more commentators on the SJW/liberal/left, generally that are in more established media forms. edit: yes aware of dog is correct I forgot about Dark Mother
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Jun 24, 2017 01:04
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SteelMentor posted:'SJWs' aren't a cohesive group like the Alt-Right and the Rationals are. Hell, the word has lost all meaning by virtue of those two groups using it to describe pretty much anyone they don't like. There are plenty of divisions within the alt-right. The Manosphere, the white nationalists, the "alt-light," young Republicans, the 4chan crowd, and further subdivisions within those groups.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:poo poo like this makes me want to drink but as history major, i should have seen this poo poo coming. once awful pieces of poo poo/events start receding from living memory, it becomes more "acceptable" to defend them. the only reason it took so long for hitler was because of the outrightness of his awful actions and because more importantly, he was a idiot gently caress up who was crushed under 5 years and had no good or positive ideas. I studied oral history and the whole idea behind modern oral history theory was to embrace lived experience and to listen across difference, allowing us to understand people through their life stories, but yeah as another history major I should have known better. Also on the subject of money and youtube content, it totally is about the cash. Jordan Peterson gets paid $160,000 from his tenured position at the University of Toronto but he's still raking in more money with his Patreon to the tune of *checks* holy poo poo $50k a month??? 50 grand a month to take on post-modernism and do a lecture series about the psychology of the biblical stories gently caress me
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NikkolasKing posted:He was literally on a white supremacist show by some English chick. Tara something. I saw a Tweet with his video right next to another video discussing the Jewish Question. Fine company he keeps. Reminds me when I read Hans Herman Hoppe's Rational Wiki profile and in one of his meetings, the the program had one speech titled: "Why are the Jews so Smart?" I liked the time on sam harris show where he vows to destroy post-modernism but can't establish what "truth" is. guy pulls in 3/4 of a million a year give or take the exchange rate to write freudian biblical studies lectures and do the bare minimum course load he has to gently caress me
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Jun 26, 2017 21:18
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Rogan bullying Steven Crowder on his show was legit funny though
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Jun 26, 2017 22:39
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Dapper_Swindler posted:because its the new counter culture(i am not defending that poo poo by saying it like that either) its a "gently caress you, mom and dad and society" deal. we are living in the late 60s all over again except instead Haight-Ashbury and woodstock and free love, its bunch of fat nazis because "memes". And now liberals have assumed the role of the pearl clutching morality police, so the dynamic is reversed. (Not saying that label is fair, just how it's perceived to be playing out) I mean look at the insistence of Milo that being right-wing is Punk now, it's taking that counter-culture that loved transgression, post-modernism, and irony and turning it into it's own thing. Those were so squarely described as "left-wing" ideas I don't think anyone expected it to be adopted by some right-wing groups.
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Poor people in america are more racially diverse than any other class so I don't really get the hate for poor people, generally.
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Jun 28, 2017 23:47
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the reaction after he bullied crowder (and apologized for it) on air was for people to call rogan a pot junkie
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i'm not going to watch that video or anything but I'll take the radical viewpoint that I don't think a media organization should be in the business of doxxing people.
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Jul 5, 2017 21:53
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Like CNN's falling apart because the president posted a dumb tweet and their journalists apparently can't check the validity of an anonymous source but they're now threatening to expose random people just seems stupid as hell to me.
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quote:CNN is not publishing “HanA**holeSolo’s” name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same. Seriously what the gently caress are you doing CNN, I get he's an anti-semetic racist scumbag but seriously
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That's because they watch snake oil historians like stefan molyneux and assume that his take is the only take on rome. There's been a few calls for Classicists to try to 're-claim' Rome from alt-right weirdos, but that's a hell of a political project
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Jul 6, 2017 16:30
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There's a good argument that trying to de-politicize history is a political statement but then you'd have to be a humourless nerd (like me) who can't just enjoy some dude exploring colonial era cooking and teaching people about it.
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BigRed0427 posted:isn't 4chan only a few years younger than SA? Yeah we're way past the point where these guys are gonna "liberalize." The alt-right has thrown a wrench in the common wisdom that people liberalize as they go to college or grow more conservative as they age. Nagle's book covers who and roughly what age channers and other alt-right people are.
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Jul 14, 2017 17:09
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failing forward posted:It's well-documented. Use Google scholar. I know you can do this. Most people don't think about pedagogy or how we teach people concepts, or assess how they learned those concepts, or how appropriate those forms assessment are, sadly.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:15
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Visidan posted:Lauren Southern had her welfare cut. I dunno if it's because she's a white supremacist or because she used it to do crimes but there you go she's canadian right? Might be that her employment insurance has run out
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Jul 21, 2017 16:21
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once again i apologize for the fact that canada seems to have produced a disproportionate amount of race realists and stefan molyneux
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MonsieurChoc posted:That's on english Canada! We french canadians have our own kind of terrible people. quebec ethnonationalists are weird as heck
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felat posted:yeah, we've been dealing with "rationals" aka "le vrai monde" on our radio for years now! We we're cool before youtubers ever were a thing yeah I wonder if that contributes to canada's spawning a whole bunch of these white nationalist people, we've had quasi-ethnonationalist struggles throughout our history that run along religious and linguistic lines. And our reservation system is what white ethnonationalists point to as a good example of ethnic enclaves within the scope of their racially organized nationalist project.
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I don't blame any American moving somewhere with a functional healthcare system regardless of their delusions about other countries being left-wing utopias.
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Who What Now posted:Oh joy, this professor is mad about the Canadian law everyone thinks makes it illegal to misgender people but actually doesn't. I looked deeply into this a while ago and from my understanding is actually possible that it could be illegal but it's just exceedingly unlikely and if it were to ever go to court it would require an exceedingly high burden of proof that isn't likely to stand up in court ever and certainly would never survive a charter challenge. but since it's possible that means it is totally definitely will almost certainly happen, and in turn I learned just how ignorant canadians are of their own laws and constitution
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Avenging_Mikon posted:It basically falls under our hate speech laws, which means that no, it's not illegal to go say "Sir" to a transwoman, even as an insult, but it is illegal to go "Someone *wink wink* should kill these men who wanna get their dicks chopped." It's inciting violence against a specific group of people for a facet of their physiology/sexuality/biology/religion etc. all of which is illegal. The law is to affirm that transgender individuals are in fact protected by the existing hate speech laws. So I'm not sure what your first paragraph is even talking about. People are convicted of hate speech crimes without charter challenges. Because it's more complicated than that: it amends the human rights code, and the Ontario Human Rights Commission released a primer that said "The law recognizes that everyone has the right to self-identify their gender and that “misgendering” is a form of discrimination." Furthermore: quote:Refusing to refer to a trans person by their chosen name and a personal pronoun that matches their gender identity, or purposely misgendering, will likely be discrimination when it takes place in a social area covered by the Code, including employment, housing and services like education. The law is otherwise unsettled as to whether someone can insist on any one gender-neutral pronoun in particular. Now that doesn't apply to the federal law, but the Department of Justice said it would be amending its own definition to align with the Ontario Human Rights Commission definition and the other provinces. So it's possible that misgendering someone could be considered a form of discrimination in court or by a Human Rights Tribunal. Maybe. Again the burden of proof would be pretty high, and I predict that any Charter challenge of that decision would argue that this was compelling speech, which again I don't think the court would accept. Basically misgendering someone alone would never fall under the hate speech part of the law. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Terrible Opinions posted:Doesn't this only apply in cases where you have power over the other person, like employers and landlords? Even so as far as I could tell it was only as illegal as calling you black employee "friend of the family". Given that it refers back to previous legislation all the time, most of which covers racial slurs. I believe that also covers the relationship in education such as between a professor and a student in class. Again, maybe.
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