forkboy84 posted:

https://twitter.com/TelegraphNews/status/858750626058035200

Have some Peak Lib Dem

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Mr Farron said: "My message on the eve of that anniversary is this, things can only get better, but this time with the Liberal Democrats.

Oberleutnant posted:

i really like big macs

Oberleutnant posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/02/aristocrat-in-court-over-allegedly-racist-facebook-posts-rhodri-philipps-gina-miller

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Rhodri Philipps, the 4th Viscount St Davids, wore a tweed gilet over a navy suit

JFairfax posted:

not really, people dont give a gently caress beyond the headlines for the most part.

it's why this whole strong and stable robot thing will probably actually work.

TheRat posted:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/859416596053467136

I think it's time to nuke britain

JFairfax posted:

I don't know if any of you have tried to close a 'deal' as a business person, but let me tell you if one party thinks the sum should be £0, zero, zilch nothing and the other party believes it should be £XX,000 or higher then it's very difficult to meet in the middle.

The British government so far are disagreeing that there is anything to pay at all for leaving the EU, not 'oh we need to agree on the amount' - they disagree that there is any amount to pay at all.

That is not a good starting point for a negotiation.

MikeCrotch posted:

This should be put up as the ultimate indictment of capitalism, in that the bourgeois suck all the capital out of society and are sitting at the top of hierarchy yet they're still loving miserable.

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Despite being called 'indestructible', the new £1 coins are reportedly seeing a series of unusual flaws which left one being released without a centre piece.

Other new pound coins are said to be misshapen, have the colours blending in to each other and can even melt, reports the Mirror.

...

After just two months into production there are claims they are littered with misstrikes.

One recipient of a new pound coin said: “It is all melted and out of shape."

Teddybear posted:

Hey, wonder if some of the stuff in that Guardian article is in effect-- have the music channels got a lot gloomier?

Oberleutnant posted:

Remember a few months ago when the foreign office was nervously shuffling its feet about how it had literally no negotiators for the brexit department with any kind of experience at negotiating huge international deals like this?

Lol.

So that's turning out well.

OwlFancier posted:

People have lost faith that liberalism works, so the Tories now practice economic liberalism while sporting a massive authoritarian boner on social issues and shouting up nationalism to disguise it. Our press spouts the same thing, the whole world is turning slowly, weightily towards a rejection of the liberal dream of everything being great as long as we deregulate everything and stop governing everything but the poor, who obviously can't be trusted to govern themselves. And it's rejecting it in the way that the powerful have seized on, which is to find someone else to blame for their failings.

OwlFancier posted:

I also spent some time wondering who megin was and why she needed feeding.

Zephro posted:

I'm not totally convinced by this. The status quo that the left is defending* is Britain's membership of a big trading bloc that imposes tariffs on those outside the bloc and has strong protections for workers inside it. The right, in its penetrating critique of global capitalism, wants to blow all that up and turn Britain into a rainier Somalia, because this will make us all rich.

Pesmerga posted:

Corbyn is finished. Regardless of my personal feelings about him, between this and the general election, this will be used as an indictment of any policy further left than Thatcherism.

Zephro posted:

" where practicable " seems like a possible get-out clause...

Ewan posted:

I think this is probably quite a common sentiment.

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He’s incompetent. Massively, massively incompetent. He can’t do a no-seats-on-the-train stunt without falling flat on his face.

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He doesn’t want to. He’s spent his entire adult life fighting the establishment and fighting against his own party, and when he is the establishment all that’s left for him to fight against is his party.

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He won’t win anyway.

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You’re a hypocrite. Because if you’d wanted to keep the Tories out you’d have backed away when it became clear he wasn’t going to be any good at the job.

Ewan posted:

On the Corbynista attitude one, it is one that annoys me a lot. Their reaction to people suggesting Labour would better off more centrist or that they'd "never vote Corbyn PM" is to say "gently caress off Blairite/neoliberal/Tory scum", rather than trying to understand why they think that way, and come up with ideas to win them over rather than just telling them they're thick/evil cunts.

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You’re a hypocrite. Because if you’d wanted to keep the Tories out you’d have backed away when it became clear he wasn’t going to be any good at the job.

gently caress you all. I just wish the rest of us weren’t going to get hosed as well.

Ewan posted:

Ewan posted:

He says "gently caress you for ruining Labour's chances". He doesn't tell them to gently caress off and go vote for a different party.

Ewan posted:

No, but the way you win them back is understanding why this is happening and make changes to address it, rather than simply telling them to gently caress off, which is only going to make them double down.

learnincurve posted:

...not many people who are actually racists are self aware enough to recognise that they are so it puts their backs up as well.

Ora Tzo posted:

How goes the descent into Brexitgeddon?

dr_rat posted:

This is stupid. Honestly seems like it would of been better for Corbyn to refuse until a proper debate was agreed upon. At least then he could contentiously call her out on how stupid her refusal to debate is.

Miftan posted:

It's not about the Ecuadorian embassy, I just didn't want to give away the actual one. Does it being a permanent posting matter? No embassy staff is permanent, and in this case the contract gets "re-signed" every year by both sides so I'm not sure which way this goes. The reason I'm asking is that the contract straight up ignores a load of UK employment laws (and ones from the host country, but that will be much harder to bring to court in the host country), so I was wondering if he could try to get some improvements in working conditions via UK law. Mostly stuff like time spent working, zero hours bullshit with an added minimum shifts per week only on his side (so he has to work 8 shifts a week, but if he's only given 3 that's also fine), amount of holiday/sick leave, etc.

Miftan posted:

I think they're considering talking to unite to see if they can help, but a lawyer is obably the safest bet and I've told him as much. It's mostly a money issue.

fridge corn posted:

im voting lib dem

Jose posted:

thinks get so incredibly poo poo the tories get voted out in a landslide like last time

ookiimarukochan posted:

I'm probably late with this but still:

https://twitter.com/chrisdeerin/status/861917880199282691/photo/1

Darth Walrus posted:

Well, let's see how this goes.

HJB posted:

Thanks for the question. 16 year olds are schoolchildren, not schooladults. Give them a chance to get out of that bubble and experience the real world for a bit before having the opportunity to make decisions that will affect them for the rest of their life.

jBrereton posted:

"Let's let the 16 year olds vote because they agree with our ideas"

MikeCrotch posted:

its a loving sham that at 16 you're considered old enough to work, pay tax and join the forces, but not vote

Firos posted:

Other than fox hunting and the fuel price cap, I don't think I could even name another Tory policy. And I'm quite interested in politics. Is it just me being oblivious?

Alchenar posted:

Polly Toynbee has it right, the manifesto is full of good and popular stuff but it doesn't matter if you haven't earned the credibility as a leader for people to believe you will be able to deliver it.

Party Boat posted:

Lib Dems have pledged to legalise cannabis

Sharrow posted:

Pinch of salt and all that, but that's laughably low. I guess someone's just been hit with drive-by ransomware and these trusts all have some amount of common infrastructure?

PIGS BREXIT posted:

To whom do we owe this good and accurate quote

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“I am often asked if as prime minister I would order the use of nuclear weapons. It’s an extraordinary question when you think about it: would you order the indiscriminate killing of millions of people? Would you risk such extensive contamination of the planet that no life could exist across large parts of the world? It would mean world leaders had already triggered a spiral of catastrophe for humankind,” he said.

Evil_Urna posted:

All of the major points in the manifesto (rail, getting rid of tuition, building 100k consul flats etc) that are impossible to pay, takes a communists level of cognitive dissonance to campaign on.

Evil_Urna posted:

All of the major points in the manifesto (rail, getting rid of tuition, building 100k consul flats etc) that are impossible to pay

Evil_Urna posted:

The UK already has a major problem with the rich offshoring and hiding money. It is only gonna get worse of you decide to tax them at over 90 percent.

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A high court judge is to consider whether a legal ban on prosecuting Tony Blair over the Iraq war can be challenged.

A private criminal prosecution against the former Labour prime minister was blocked in 2016 when it was ruled Blair would have immunity from any criminal charges.

On Tuesday the high court will consider arguments for reversing that ban and for keeping it.

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The private prosecution seeks the trial in a British court of Blair, the foreign secretary in 2003, Jack Straw, and Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general at the time the government was deciding to join the invasion of Iraq.

It seeks their conviction for the crime of aggression and is based on the damning findings of last year’s Chilcot report into the British decision to join the invasion of Iraq, under the false pretext that Saddam Hussein’s regime had weapons of mass destruction.

The attorney general claims the case for the crime of aggression does not exist in English law, even though it does exist in international law. But that argument appears to be undermined in a document written by Goldsmith himself.

In his 2003 memo on the legality of the Iraq war, Goldsmith, then attorney general, seemed to accept a key point of those now seeking his prosecution. “Aggression is a crime under customary international law which automatically forms part of domestic law,” he wrote.

Jedit posted:

What's worse? Blair never being tried for his crimes, or being tried and exonerated?

ukle posted:

But we can't talk about immigration as that's 'racist' despite the fact this country has significant issues due to far too little money has been spent on infrastructure, and until that infrastructure has caught up its silly to add further people to it and making the problems even worse.

Prince John posted:

I've been moderately interested to see Theresa May proposing a raft of worker's rights, new types of leave etc. and other policies supposedly appealing to the working class.

josh04 posted:

Epictetus is loving terrible, worth reading to remind yourself that there were improbably successful mediocrities even back in Ancient Greece.

Oberleutnant posted:

"don't complain about things you can't change, just shut up and get on with it" is a philosophy that, with a bit of mental contortion, you can make into a progressive system of thought. But when you look at the extant classics and their authors (Senecca and Marcus Aurelius in particular) you can see why it was so popular among statesmen , and why it was so readily incorporated into Christian thought - it's almost tailor-made for encouraging people to not make a fuss and accept their lot in life.

Now, if people took that central argument of Stoicism (about accepting what can't be changed uncomplainingly) and thought "well my poverty and exploitation aren't written in the stars, so I shouldn't accept them" then it could be a wonderful philosophy. But you'll struggle to find it applied like that in any of the classics.

Anyway Diogenes was better.