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thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

i see the labour right have piped up to add a bit of the ol' triangulating racism to the immigration part of the manifesto. should be good for around zero ukip votes.

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thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Alchenar posted:

Polly Toynbee has it right, the manifesto is full of good and popular stuff but it doesn't matter if you haven't earned the credibility as a leader for people to believe you will be able to deliver it.


e: ps. this is definitely the narrative the left needs to start churning in the background if it wants to survive. Accept Corbyn was a terrible leader, focus on how popular the manifesto was. The left deserves to try again with someone a bit more prepared for the job.

Some loving nerve Toynbee has. Spends 2 years making GBS threads on the leadership along with her poo poo newspaper and then comes out with 'yea the policies are good but people don't like corbyn For Some Reason'

Also the idea that some other left leader with the same transformative policies would be treated better because they'd reply to buzzfeed emails quicker is so naive.

Nearly as naive as the 'soft left' in the Labour party who are kidding themselves that this manifesto would have been delivered by Owen Smith or Yvette Cooper

thehappyprince fucked around with this message at 09:02 on May 12, 2017

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Alchenar posted:

Look if you ever want to see success then you are going to have to drop the 'hero of the revolution' cult attitude and make a hard nosed assessment of what worked and what didn't. Corbyn's problems perhaps run a bit deeper than having a poor relationship with Buzzfeed.

lol it's not a cult attitude to notice the media has been biased and know that that bias comes from the need to protect the material interests of press barons rather than Seamus Milne's press strategy.

But yea let's just try this all again with Clive Lewis having the BBC edit interviews to show him answering entirely different questions to what he actually was and then be surprised when yougov has him trailing.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Paxman posted:


Given that most of Labour's policies cited here are pretty much the same as they were before Corbyn became leader,

lol

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Grapplejack posted:

You need names to replace Corbyn if that's what you want from the party. You need someone in the party apparatus who can take the leadership role but no one ever mentions names.

they have plenty of names. there was dan jarvis, then keir starmer, now yvette cooper. it's ideas other than '2015 manifesto with extra racism' they don't have.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Scikar posted:

I'd support mandatory voting, but it's funny how the natural inclination is to threaten people with some punishment if they don't vote. Is there anywhere that has a reward system for voting in a general election instead?

yeah, in the uk if you vote you can get jeremy corbyn as prime minister

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Julio Cruz posted:

Because he'd much rather the Tories give Labour an absolute kicking, so he can come in here and do his "I told you Corbyn was bad" thing yet again, and who gives a gently caress about the damage they'll do to the country, just as long as he can declare that he's been proved right.

this is pretty much every labour right winger tbh

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

cool to see may break under the slightest scrutiny. shame it took so long for the press to apply it

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

can people stop quoting pissflaps it makes the ignore feature pointless tia

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thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

nopantsjack posted:

If so it won't be portrayed that way it'll be "imagine how they would have done under a strong and stable Smith without suck a risky throwback manifesto"

the lib dems polling at ~9% should put an end to any of that

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

what the gently caress would compel someone to post a fake picture like that in the first place

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

https://twitter.com/Iankershaw/status/866774171342209024

this person says he was there and it was a balloon popping near a microphone that caused a stampede

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/866808564316344321

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

how dare people not want this awful situation to be used to fuel a mass of reactionary rhetoric and bile

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

press conference at twenty to apparently

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

HJB posted:

I interrupt the current round of Wrong Opinions to bring you Kippers going straight for the jugular:



this would probably work better if they weren't stepping aside for the tories in numerous seats tbh

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

the tories are u-turning on their school breakfast club plan because they hosed up the costings by ~£340 million lol

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/867370689887653890

quoting this
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/867356931203182592

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

corbyn should do a speech where he just lists all of the times he's been proven right on interventions imo

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

So you reckon Corbyn will still be made to resign even if he gains seats?

what's the track record on the labour right getting corbyn to resign?

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

labour will be fine with whatever they say in the speech because they're setting and controlling the narrative in this election.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Firos posted:

This seems like a good speech.

agreed. dunno what all the fuss was about, nothing was controversial in it.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

not enough is made of the fact that corbyn's middle name is bernie

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

TheRat posted:

Why the loving gently caress are the guardian listing Breivik as "other"? He's a right wing extremist you dense cunts



you could put them all under that tag really

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock


if you fall for this you're one of the dumbest people in the world, sorry

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

biji ypg

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

labour polling 36% of sun readers is actually positive tbh

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

bessantj posted:

This election is really unhinging some people. I've just seen someone say that Corbyn has no concept of good/evil, right/wrong and just/unjust. Even if you don't like the man you can't come to a conclusion like that without leaving reality a little.

i look forward to reading his guardian column

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

TheRat posted:

Someone at Labour HQ is certainly doing a much better job than before:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/868490731463335936

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/868488700531027968

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/868469800762265602

This kind of thing would never have been done a year ago. Is this the work of that rich kid who signed up to be his new strategy boss or whatever?

that clough video is class. will love it if they end this with a neville southall quote

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/868514757963390978

seems significant

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

amber rudd's percentages will also be buoyed by the fact that her saying the average house price in her constituency was £100k when it's actually over £200k never became a meme like abbot, for some strange reason

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

may's gonna change the threat level back to critical

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

TheRat posted:

In case anyone was wondering which direction the guardian was leaning:



so out of touch with it's readership and just absolutely refusing to accept it even as it has to beg for donations to subsist. suicidal liberalism.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock


are you allowed to post your own tweets here

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

let the guardian die and give all of the donations to a new paper that does the investigative journalism without giving idiots like toynbee, kettle and moran 6 figure salaries imo

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

corbyn's going nowhere. the story of the election, whatever happens, will be how much better labour would've done had the labour right wingers not been such wankers for 2 years.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

labour should run that answer to small business owner as a party political broadcast

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

TheRat posted:

If I'm honest, he reeks of tory plant.

listed 4 of labour's best policies then got bodied by corbs.

tory plant confirmed.

thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

Irony Be My Shield posted:

How was he supposed to answer "Why have you made it impossible for me to vote Labour?", exactly

'because you're a wanker and we care more about workers'

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thehappyprince
Apr 4, 2006

Alastair Cock

dan hodges has been wrong about pretty much every major political decision of the last 5 years. no idea why people still humour him as some kind of astute commentator.

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