Sir Potato posted:

I'm really excited for Wonder Woman, and I think it might be my most hyped movie this year behind Valerian. I trust Patty Jenkins even though I've never seen anything by her. Honestly the thing I'm looking forward to most is the Wonder Woman theme popping up throughout the film.

Lurdiak posted:

I'm sorry you have bad taste.

Toady posted:

Tell us more about that 10 year ordeal of being forced to hear from Sonic The Hedgehog You May Have Heard Of It fans.

Darth Brooks posted:

That's the flaw. Zod was a better soldier than Clark could ever be. But because Zod was programed from birth for that role and only that role, he's better than Clark in one way. Clark has other potential strengths to draw on so that as a complete whole he's stronger, more capable than Zod.

It would help if he is put in a similar situation again and goes "No, I've learned from my mistakes. Here's a solution" and it needs to be something that neither the audience or the villain expected.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

It'll probably be his fight with Darkseid in the climactic scene of Justice League 2.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yeah the entire box office projections industry sounds like someone invented a job title and is trying extra super hard to justify their pay cheque. "Look at all the statistics we've collected!!" But then again the pointless job justification industry has been a massive part of Hollywood for many many decades.

Darth Brooks posted:

It would be funny for Diana to get pissed at how terrible mankind is based on WWI and take a twenty year sabbatical, just to come back in time for WWII.

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

In the meantime, Patty Jenkins comments on the "why Diana walked out from humanity" thing. Linked just to be sure about spoilers.

http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-movie-dceu-changes-explained/

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To explain our argument here, let’s start at the start with Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel, the first chance those devoted to DC’s big blue Boy Scout had to declare WB, DC, and Snyder had “gotten Superman wrong.” It’s easy to see the case being made, since the fact Superman’s been around for the better part of a century establishes him as an unflappable symbol of timeless, faultless heroism. In that sense alone, the ‘idea’ of Superman is an ‘ideal,’ existing outside of and above the pettiness or darkness of our world. So when Zack Snyder, David S. Goyer, and Christopher Nolan decided to examine how our modern world would react to Superman, that timeless veneer was shattered.

Still, Man of Steel gets at the heart of the best Superman stories in terms of its premise: he is special at birth, raised into a good man by Earth parents, emerges into the world as a guardian angel, and must defend all of humanity as he struggles to integrate his two selves, born of two worlds. But drop that story into our imperfect world, and it’s filled in with elements of xenophobia, government structures too big to fight, unwinnable scenarios, and the simple fact that sometimes ‘choosing one or the other’ leads to trauma, not closure.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Well I don't think you should have to see one movie to understand the other. That's just my opinion. I know people love the interconnectedness of this stuff but I read comics in the 80s and saw the Dawn of the Cross-Over in realtime. Not a big fan.

Judakel posted:

Because that writer's point is that wonder woman is different because she isn't human. Follow the thread.

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/869965802455355403

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I had the honor of watching WW during a screening and was completely blown away! This isn't just the best DCEU movie ever made, this is one of the best movie ever made. Everything in this film is excellent, not one piece of annoyance.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Okay, I just got back from seeing the film earlier

well why not posted:

Steve Rogers got close enough to punch Hitler but didn't manage to actually kill him, despite being 'stronger than any human' ie. he has the punch of Mike Tyson at his prime, with an armoured glove. This stuff just can't touch 'real world' events at all. Dr. Doom cried about 9/11 and it was the silliest thing ever committed to paper.

Azubah posted:

Could they explain why she left humanity to rot in a theoretical sequel or is the ending to this one that concrete?

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The spoiler-free summary of all those posts is: The third act is bad. The first is okay. The second is fantastic. BvS kinda screwed up the ability to have a sensible ending that stands on its own. WW punch scenes are good. WW sword fights are bad. Gal Gadot acts much better in WW than in BvS. Chris Pine acts good.

Megasabin posted:

I'm sure you walked into the movie with no bias at all, and your opinion is well thought out and valuable. We can all pray that the stuido listens to good insightful criticism like "dialogue was mediocre." "the villains were stock villains".

Steve Yun posted:

It would be amusing if she were 100% bulletproof and didn't even know it and was wasting all this energy dodging and blocking bullets

dublish posted:

I agree with Shimrra that the movie doesn't take its setting as seriously as it could. The scene in No Man's Land, as good as it looked, goes out of its way to portray trench warfare as a playground- there's no barbed wire, no artillery, no casualties, and all it takes for a successful attack over the top is a little bit of élan provided by Wonder Woman. I'm still trying to come up with a reading for this.

Steve2911 posted:

Satan has the most adorable moustache.

What a stupid fun dumb wonderful movie. A million miles ahead of all the other DCCU films. I forgot what it was like to have a plot structure or characters in these things.

Maxwell Lord posted:

Has he really changed the world, though? Like in the context of the DC movies, for the "present day" to be recognizable, it's still going to be a capitalist-dominated world with corrupt billionaires and dysfunctional governments and international terrorism and all that. Throughout BvS he's still mostly doing "rescue" operations, saving people from bad things that have happened, which is good, but he's not shaking the fundamental pillars of power. Even Luthor is just one guy, when he's put in jail at the end that's not the end of Silicon Valley douchebags.

Bill Dungsroman posted:

Putting aside whether it is or not (it's not), suffering through goons rehashing the same arguments about it and gushing over it in every thread is well past its use by date.


I liked WW quite a bit. It has a weak third act but the first two acts are phenomenal. WW going over the top on No Man's Land and storming that occupied village are the best things the DCEU has offered, easily supplanting the first part of BvS.

hiddenriverninja posted:

I'm at the point where I wish they would end them in a different way.

BrianWilly posted:

Also, can we just do away with this whole notion that Diana ignored the Holocaust or something? Nothing in this film says anything about what Diana did in the years between World War I and now. She could have sat it out, or she could have been involved. This isn't a spoiler, either.

Tenzarin posted:

Wonder Woman did the unthinkable, crossing no man land while being completely immune to bullets.

Sir Kodiak posted:

I feel like Superman dying once in the current continuity is enough.

Mars4523 posted:

Still, it's a pretty good movie. Not a great movie, and not as good as Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (which holds together much better throughout) or Logan (I just really like how that movie uses the beat of the score to emphasize the growing tension of the scene), but for D.C. it's a huge step up.

mastershakeman posted:

damnit, where? I don't remember that

teagone posted:

Read an article earlier that said BvS, MoS, and Suicide Squad saw drops in the high 50s to low 60s for the second weekend. Wonder Woman only having a 45% drop is insane. Movie's got legs, hope to see its box office success go even further.

ShineDog posted:

It mostly avoided that loving terrible sliding stutter step movement that looks so weird and weightless whenever superman moves fast over a short distance, up until the end at least.

The action would probably have looked great if every goofy flip hadn't been in slomo. The first time she deflected a bullet in slowmo was great. By the end I never needed another.

SleepCousinDeath posted:

teagone posted:

When Faora did this in MoS to that group of soldiers, it was loving awesome.

CelticPredator posted:

It is not very good. It's the worst action Snyder has ever done.

Also Wonder Woman's action scenes are great because what those scenes are about is great. So you can divorce it from context and study them, but that would take away the main reason why that scene rules.

That No Mans Land scene is pure visual storytelling, just how a good action scene should be.

MrJacobs posted:

Her tactical expertise is to just keep attacking the problem from the front in both movies she's been in. She's the team's wolverine, not the teams tactician.

Sir Kodiak posted:

When? I didn't spot any when I watched it.