CE Derail Thread: a flag with a cop pistol whipping a dead horse

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Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

I was just kidding in the other thread you guys. I actually am sensitive to cultural differences concerning concepts like "compliance" and "the state's monopoly on the legitimate use of force and its use in the enforcement of order"

TBeats posted:

A thread for all that stupid stuff have fun!!

shut up cole

# ¿ May 22, 2017 03:42

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 08:46

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

You can tell that Jeremy Joseph Christian guy is actually a piece of poo poo and not a mere victim of a vast police conspiracy because I haven't yet seen a photo of him in a graduation cap & gown.

Anybody know if he submitted a FAFSA application? I don't want to defend someone just because they look like me but we really need to be sure.

# ¿ May 27, 2017 21:46

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

TBeats posted:

i would be okay with the police ROE making cops as hesitant to pull triggers as we were when i was deployed.

lol yeah I can't imagine how much trouble I'd be in if I shot some dirt farmer for reaching for his weapon after I screamed OGAF at him 3 times like a goddamn maniac and then threw 7 hot ones at him when he wouldn't loving stop.

WHAT AN UPROAR THERE WOULD BE IN THE COC THAT DAY I TELL YOU.

TBeats posted:

When I was deployed I was a bloodthirsty fucker and started looking at being a cop simply because I wanted to be able to shoot people.

I didn't know it was actually possible to do it and get away with it like that.

(I also wonder how many people are like I was but actually became a cop.)

Are you loving retarded?

# ¿ Jun 23, 2017 23:34

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

TBeats posted:

You should tell the white cop that shooting a black guy that didn't need to be shot in 2017 will be seen as racist 100% of the time and given the way things have gone between white people and black people in the last several hundred years in the USA, he won't ever be able to talk his way out of it to the general public.

"Perception is reality"

Are you sure you aren't still in?

# ¿ Jun 24, 2017 23:15

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

TBeats posted:

go look at social media and tell me i'm wrong

and then kill yourself.

or put on blackface and rush a cop.

Can I wear my regular face and rush a cop? Your social media feed isn't reality, Cole. It's an outage machine fueled by the loudest and dumbest trying* to understand things that bother them.

*try = screech, vote, screech some more.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2017 23:24

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

TBeats posted:

You are too stupid for words.

If you seriously don't think this will be seen as racist by the majority of people, then jesus christ. You are a goddamn idiot.

And given that I'm not the only person in this thread who thinks this, I appreciate your hard on for me. It means I get to you, and that's hilarious.

Oh you got me good. What a rascal.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 02:48

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Cop shoot cop video (graphic):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiXtyVhCzLA

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 10:09

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

CHICKEN SHOES posted:

its incredibly easy to not shoot people

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 10:24

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

bird cooch posted:

Fuckem. My mail lady doesn't blast anyone and she's in more danger than the roided up assholes that roam the major cities around here.

The rest of your post was nonsense, too; I just wanted to hear more about this.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 18:46

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

bird cooch posted:

Bureau of labor statistics yo.

Wow, we really need to do something about these construction workers getting murdered!

Dumb.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 22:54

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

"Bill would still be with us today if he had just hit that nail instead of giving it the benefit of the doubt"

# ¿ Jun 25, 2017 22:54

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Dead is dead.

You can't have it both ways. If law enforcement is just another job, and actual risk to life can be extracted from raw numbers, let's start stringing up every white collar cracker who misplaces a decimal regardless of what his intentions were and without any regard to the information that was available to him in the moment. HE WAS TRAINED TO KNOW BETTER! RAWR!

It's a different job. You don't need to like people who are police officers or hate black people to admit that.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 00:16

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Flikken posted:

I don't know where this article got its numbers and they are obviously skewed to show US police in a negative light. But the point of the article is other countries manage to not have as many shootings per capita.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

And the ratio of Americans doing violence against one another is probably similar. Statistically speaking, Americans are more violent. It follows logically that our police would utilize force more often and to deadlier effect because they are dealing with a population that has a higher rate of violence.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 00:53

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

Actuaries aren't expected to carry a gun and judge its use. They're job is to tell the police force that statistically their department have more black shootings per capita. If he's wrong by a few decimal places then the system actuaries exist in acknowledges the discrepency and adapts.Engineers acknowledge mistakes and revise. Etc

None of those pull a gun and shoot people in their yearly continuance! Their risk to another's life is precise and measured and their systems are designed to minimize it. Police departments defending processes and officers that result in completely unjustified deaths just deepens the divide between them and the purpose of their job

Right. Back to square one. "Unjustified".

With the Castile shooting, I've yet to meet anyone who, after forming an opinion based on the FacebookLive video, changed their opinion after the dashcam video.

You see what you want to believe.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 00:59

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

Did you see a cop sootif a compliant black man in front of his family as justified... because that's what you're arguing.

The dash cam shows this the officer was very wrong in his actions. The audio playback shows he was wrong in his action. And the kicker is that the officer, at the window, looking and talking to Castile and his family, would have obviously had more information regarding just how non hostile Castile was. Black man tells him he has a gun. White cop shoots black man in reflex.

Dashcam didn't show the inside of Castile's car prior to and during the shooting, strangely.

The audio indicates Castile was instructed three times not to reach for his weapon.

And then he was shot dead.

You're watching the same video I am, have access to the same facts as I do, but you're absolutely positive something criminal happened there.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 01:52

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

The officer could have simply stepped behind Castile and the rear passenger door and been out of danger.

Apparently Castile telling him he had a gun was enough to escalate to deadly force in 3 seconds.

Again, it was the failure to comply with "don't reach for it" three times that preceded him being shot. If you're seeing gunshots after "I have a gun" but before "Don't reach for it", please link the video.

If the officer believes someone is reaching for a gun when told 3 times not to do so, why should he step out of danger? Seriously. If that IS what is happening, he is hosed if he doesn't shoot.

Castile probably didn't intend to do anything of the sort, but his actions said otherwise. It's unfortunate but why should the officer act contrary to what he believes is happening right in front of him?

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 02:05

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Kuroyama posted:

Castile also had to reach to get his registration and insurance card, and was trying to explain that, but the cop wouldn't let him explain and then went straight to shooting.

And the cop thought he was reaching for the gun, but Castile didn't let him explain that, he just kept reaching.

It's sad and it sucks but that ain't murder.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 02:07

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

TBeats posted:

because a man died for no reason... which is literally the only reason that needs to be given.

you're seriously writing it off as "whoops my bad" when someone died for no reason.

That's a horrible standard. Do you apply this brilliant hindsight logic to all avoidable deaths everywhere?

"My doctor misdiagnosed my grandma based on the information available to him at the time, combined with her failure to comply with her prescribed medication, and now she's dead and that makes me sad so clearly he must be punished!"

...I mean, obviously, yes, that is probably exactly how your whole meth-addled clan of government-assisted Floridian dick-beaters susses out the whys and hows of tragedy. Jesus Christ.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 04:16

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

A man sitting is in a tactically disadvantageous position. Sitting with a large seat back limiting your ability to turn even worse. A waist band holster is a bitch to draw from while seated.

All of these mean that even had Castile intended to irrationally draw his gun (because this is a thing black people do?) and attempt to kill the officer at a traffic stop, with his partner 180 degrees away and watching, he would have had to somehow quick draw a waistband holstered gun while seated then shoot at a really awkward angle.

What that means is that had Castile intended to shoot he wouldn't have been a credible threat for many more seconds. And had he been a threat he wouldn't have been a threat had the officer simply taken two steps to his right out of his limited line of fire.

But god forbid you try deescation on a black man who has no reason to shoot you. The officer murdered him

Tachypsychia is real, but it aint a Sherlock Holmes montage, ship-mate.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 04:25

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

(Cole is from Florida and M_Gargantua was a pog)

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 04:26

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

And you're a broke brain. We all are what we are.

pfffft..

If anything, my brain is peaking.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 04:32

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Reverand maynard posted:

lol ur a loving mortarman you don't get to call people out

I don't even have a CAR! :ssh:

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 06:17

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

TBeats posted:

you're an idiot and nobody in this thread is agreeing with you because nobody is as big an idiot as you.

if the doctor committed malpractice it would be an apt analogy. but instead, you're just an idiot.

think about it: you have such a low opinion of me, but there are more people agreeing with me than you. that should at the very least make you question your own opinion about the Castile shooting.

I assume at some point, at bare minimum, you have pointed a gun at someone and issued an instruction with the understanding that you would kill them if they did not comply. I know why other people want to see the cop punished; I've discussed it with people who have no such experience. It looks bad, and it feels bad, and, "if only the cop had considered (thing), (thing), (thing), and (thing)"..

But sure. There's no conceivable situation that merited a response resulting in Castile's death. The video proves it. And many people say so. So I'm convinced. The disturbing sights and sounds and the bad bad feelings can now be chalked up to racism, lack of training, and maybe even murderous intent. The world makes sense again. Thanks gang.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 06:34

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Current issue at hand aside. I want to say one last thing about perspective. Your social media echo chambers, 10% rating opioid grab-bags, and vietnam-envy-inspired framing of GWOT are not reality.

I. AM. REALITY.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 08:45

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

isnt vermis in cop school now or something?

In a way, aren't we all?

Makes you think.

# ¿ Jun 27, 2017 12:00

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

I don't know to what the last two posts are replying.

I suspect it isn't me.

As self-appointed facilitator of this discussion in Cole's lovely dumb thread, I am exercising squatter's rights and demand an explanation.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2017 01:53

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

gently caress you Cole. Blaze this poo poo and get woke my lil' penis wrinkle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKkleY4R8A

# ¿ Jun 28, 2017 02:05

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Um the post chase beatdown, conducted by giant glistening slobs, following a cross-state pursuit through the boonies & backroads is one of America's greatest traditions.

Its why god invented helicopters and buzzcuts.

But sure let's make sure it never happens again. WELCOME TO THE NO FUN ZONE.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 00:21

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Zeris posted:

It's funny til it happens to you

I'll remember that next time I'm crossing statelines with half the cast of Smokey & The Bandit in my rearview.

"WHO IS LAUGHING NOW VICKY VERMS??!"

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 04:03

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Zeris posted:

In what scenario is it defensible for a cop to stomp on someone?

When that someone has zero redeeming qualities beyond the superficial label of "human being" and all the grandiose follow-on titles and privileges our high-minded forefathers granted him.

They aren't entirely to blame. How could they have foreseen this meteoric rise of the common dipshit?

He swings elections. He child-safes our everything. He reproduces at an alarming rate. At the ripe old age of 30 he retires on disability and builds his investment portfolio around scratchers and pick 6's. He is the bane of all decent peoples. Minimum-wagers and public officials. Small business owners and Labor advocates. God-fearing bake-salers and Godless pride-marchers.

But how does it thrive? It is prideful, so it cannot hide. It is impatient, so it cannot negotiate. It possesses low animal cunning, but it bites all hands.

The American Dipshit exists solely for the same reason Evil does. Good men do nothing.

Otherize and Oppress that turd until it voluntarily flushes itself.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 04:58

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

Authoritarianism is a hell of a drug

Tyranny of the masses lost its appeal for me the first time I heard a 20-something felon proclaim his intent to father 10 more children beyond the 5 he already had.

Whatever the magic bullet, The American Dipshit will fight against it. And win.

The tipping of the scales shows no sign of slowing.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 05:11

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

You would be hard-pressed to find a more concentrated population of American Dipshits than any given USMC infantry squad.

But at least they're trying to shave the number down a bit.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 05:26

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Kawasaki Nun posted:

Uhh last I checked they pay you more for being married and having kids

That's true for dipshits everywhere though. If being married and having kids feels like a voluntary burden and a massive drain on limited time and resources, congratulations: you're not a dipshit.

At least the infantryman may off himself in a post-military haze of inadequacy or, prior to that, sacrifice himself upon the altar of dipshit nation's irrational fear of all things foreign and terrorfying.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 05:39

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

M_Gargantua posted:

No

Relax. Being murdered by a 12 year old wielding a shovel and a jug of PME isn't a qualifying attribute for identifying an unredeemable dipshit.

Too bad stainless steel grief-bling and gaudy memorial tats aren't visible in our digital sacred space. Here I am, shop-lighting a fatal flaw, totally ignorant to the fact that someone on a subforum of broke-brain veterans may have had occasion to salute a poster-printed photo of their battle buddy under company color and desert sun while strains of Eternal Father emanate from a boombox.

My bad.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 06:27

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Dude was outed because he made a gif. Someone got mad, looked into it, and got lucky. If he'd been an animal porn fetishist instead, would he still have been outed? Maybe.

This country would be a lot better off if people did unpopular poo poo in the open without being surrounded by anonymous pitchfork-wielding hypocrites; it's the one glimmer of hope in the rise of Dear Pee'er: dude grabbed a pussy and says outlandish things but history will still judge him on his performance as leader of the free world.

If you want to out everyone who is racist because they're racist, go for it. But when gram-grams and pop-pops are catching 2a.m. death threats on their rotary dial because they once wore black-face to a halloween party in 1982, and one of them trips and shatters their everything while shuffling out to the kitchen hoping you're calling for bail one last time before they die, I hope your personal bias doesn't prevent you from wearing that totally dope Antifa Tee to the wake.

Dude made a gif and a corporation got mad about it.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 02:11

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Everybody is somebody's HanAssholeSolo.

If the mob actually wanted to out racists, they'd go troll the comment section of any trending Facebook story and scoop them up by the handful.

SIGNAL BOOST THIS! MARY SIMONTON POSTED A PICTURE OF SOMEONE'S FRUGAL TIO TAKING A DRAG FROM A ROLL-YOUR-OWN AT HER NEIGHBORS' QUINCEA�ERA AND CAPTIONED IT "BAKED BEAN"!

But nobody gives a poo poo about racist ol' Mary because it lacks the feel-good rush of hypocrisy that comes with taking away someone's anonymity. AKA being a dick.

Even if everything you espouse online represents your real-life convictions, you'd still feel like maybe you got a raw deal if your hero re-tweeted your poo poo and suddenly everyone who disagrees with you is having a nice long stroke awaiting your humiliation.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 02:58

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Again, I yearn for the day we can all shed these silly pseudonyms and exchange ideas as men once did.

.. And then strip to the waist, slather our bloated inverted chair-shaped forms in baby-oil, and fight for our ideals until death/ejaculation.

It will be a golden age.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 03:01

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:

motherfucker, you're (a) a civilian so shut the gently caress up and (b) no you're not a sergeant of anything, you're a glorified mall cop baby sitter so shut the gently caress up

Someone at my job keeps referring to themselves as a "supervisor" like we're in some kind of goddamn labor camp or cotton field.

I AM NOT AN "EMPLOYEE". I AM A "HUMAN BEING".

jk i have a sick title.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2017 18:45

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Any first hand accounts released yet besides her son's?

I know the loss of a loved one compels people to be totally honest and completely rational but I'm a crazy person who thinks corroboration and multiple sources are preferable to snap judgments...

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# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 23:27

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 08:46

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Call off the search. I found Whip.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2017 04:02

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