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Heinz Hynkel posted:25% of muslims in Norwegian schools supports ISIS And the survey interviewed little kids, not high school students?
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May 23, 2017 10:36
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quote:The vast majority of young Arabs are increasingly rejecting Islamic State and believe the extremist group will fail to establish a caliphate, a poll has found. quote:
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May 23, 2017 10:39
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Heinz Hynkel posted:"I det som må ses på som et gedigent nederlag for norske myndigheter og rødgrønne politikeres innvandringspolitikk de siste 50 årene, så viser en nylig undersøkelse blant skoleungdommer på Østlandet at over 25 prosent støtter den muslimske terrorgruppen Islamsk Stat (IS)." – Undersøkelsen viser at det er flere ungdomsskoleelever som støtter Syria-farere. Er det grunn til å tro at vi har en ung generasjon som nå vokser opp med en ny type holdning? – Nei. Jeg tror dette viser at ungdomsskoleelever ikke er like reflekterte eller har like stor kunnskap om det som skjer i Syria, som videregåendeelever."
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May 23, 2017 10:47
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authoritarian measures would do a lot to stop islamic terrorism, i think, but to be effective you'd want to be like china: strict controls on immigration and state control over communications + internet. not sure the pepe boys would be fans of the latter though
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May 23, 2017 12:08
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i mean it's pretty obvs that islamic civilization was superior at one point, just toggle the economy mapmode in crusader kings II. constaninople is hard to beat but the muslims have baghdad and granada
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May 23, 2017 12:11
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scientists invented peaceful nuclear power and the atomic bomb the duality of man
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May 23, 2017 12:15
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935 posted:Could it be that Islam in the Middle East is going through their dark ages right now, suppressing knowledge and repressing their own people and shunning the advances in the rest of the world? Historically what does it take to bring a region out of a dark age?
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May 23, 2017 12:24
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Secular Humanist posted:Actual terrorist attacks are kind of just part of the problem though. I mean, people get exploded at ariana grande concerts for the same reason women in the middle east have to wear black trash bags everywhere. There are fundamental problems with mainstream islamic ideology that need to be intellectually terminated. Westerners can help by at least trying to support actual reforming muslims, who admittedly are not very visible due to the whole "constant threat of being decapitated" thing, instead of opportunistic theocrats like linda sarsour who exploit our good nature and dupe useful idiots into embracing the hijab out of "solidarity with women" (loving lol). Liberals have completely failed on this topic, which is now a feebly unhot take but is truer than ever. islamism is responding to failure of secular systems to accommodate islamist political participation. keep in mind that secular arab regimes have dished out extreme amounts of violence against non-violent islamist movements like the muslim brotherhood -- to the point of massacring them in egypt after the military coup.
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May 23, 2017 22:18
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Luxury Communism posted:Actually, I think "Islam: At least we aren't the Mormons" could be a very effective branding strategy. but the real similarity between them is how mormonism and islam relate to political power: joseph smith wanted to form a state. commenters at the time referred to smith as a "modern mahomet," because smith like muhammad were both visited by angels. they both added new books to the bible. they both reject the trinity. they're conservative in dress. and in the early days of mormonism they clashed with the U.S. government and massacred people, and got massacred themselves. DrPlump posted:It is a complete minstrel show that only exist because why people offer meager funding towards it. Reformist Islam has no mainstream support from any Muslim nation. Meanwhile the Saudis are funding all sorts of cut off their clits extremist groups all over the world.
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May 23, 2017 22:33
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Agag posted:Mormons? Hell no.
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May 23, 2017 22:45
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Agag posted:What makes you think the West could do any of these things, or influence Islam in any predicable way? It seems like all we can do is kill people and see if that helps. (It doesn't seem to help)  i actually have no clue, except to say the West can more easily shape political factors than religious ones. in any case, i live in texas where there's a sizable muslim population that is pretty conservative, but it doesn't seem to have the same social and integration problems that some other places are facing. the worst ISIS recruit to radicalize from my town was actually a convert and a wealthy son of a physician, who became one of ISIS' top ideologues (another wealthy son of a physician to come from here is richard spencer lol). and i wonder why that is. but it's relatively easy here to get a job, a house, and to practice your religion in private. i might be wrong but it seems alright. basically, it's a good place if you want to live a conservative, family-oriented lifestyle.
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May 23, 2017 22:51
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Uhh, the first thing people ask when somethign like thsi happens is "who did it?" That's like question one for any sort of murder or attack. OXBALLS DOT COM posted:We keep getting mass shootings because our institutions and workplaces treat people like poo poo and Americans are atomized and miserable. The only reason we don't have more ISIS shootings vs. mass shootings is that Americans have become so poisoned culturally that they have no communitarian values left and without any accessible political or political/religious ideology they just sort of randomly lash out BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 23, 2017 |
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May 23, 2017 22:55
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Secular Humanist posted:I know my av confuses things sometimes but I *am* a liberal just fyi. And it's not that I think american conservatism is more supportive in a genuine sense, but they do kind of end up being the supportive party from the perspective of muslim reformers. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is relegated to fox news for some mind boggling reason. Liberals have seemingly left her out in the cold, meanwhile bernie is tweeting about "standing with linda", who has publically smeared virtually every reform muslim with any influence in western media, while singing the praises of sharia law no less. Both sides are confused on Islam and the reason I'm hard on the left is because they're the ones actively supporting the worst elements of it (usually, probably always, unwittingly). The left has no balls to speak honestly about it, so it creates a vacuum for genuine anti-muslim biggots like pam gellar to swoop in and kick the fear mongering into full gear. i disagree with nawaz though, because i think a society can only be truly liberal if it allows individuals to express their own illiberalism (as long as it's legal). and if we must tolerate illiberal versions of political expressions (say with self-described communists or fascists) then we should also tolerate religious versions. so sam harris saying that a liberal society should force people to be liberal / secular -- that often doesn't work out very well.
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May 23, 2017 23:13
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Agag posted:Ali literally said Islam needs to be destroyed. Nawaz owes his whole career to Sam Harris, who thinks Islam needs to be destroyed for science. The Landstander posted:Nawaz is a pretty big free speech guy, though - I can even recall him defending that nut Anjem Choudary on a legal basis. He's very much about "intellectually destroy Islamism (which is separate from "Islam")" as a thing - take it or leave it - but I haven't really heard him say to shut down wacky Islamist groups in Britain and stuff. and yeah i've deffo been reading shadi hamid -- you spotted it BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 23:30 on May 23, 2017 |
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May 23, 2017 23:27
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Secular Humanist posted:Lol "proven fraud". You sure know a lot about her, and no doubt research her in good faith.
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May 24, 2017 00:18
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May 24, 2017 00:20
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Secular Humanist posted:so she is either insanely ignorant of her own religion or is a huge obscurantist? possibly both?
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May 24, 2017 00:31
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de_dust posted:I'm starting to think that a religion started by a desert dwelling caravan raider may not be compatible with modern Western civilization. Snatch Duster posted:There is a fundamental difference between Jesus and Muhammad.
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May 24, 2017 02:49
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Snatch Duster posted:Yep. They nice folks but really weird.
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May 24, 2017 02:55
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i mean say what you will about jihad or mormonism, at least they keep people busy and are a way of organizing society. a lot of westerners today are underemployed and fritting away their time on the dole or through playing video games. but in radical islam? it's all jihad all the time.
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May 24, 2017 02:58
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my rule for D&D if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!
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May 24, 2017 07:18
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i went into D&D and got brutally pistol-whipped by a makarov wielding communist. he was shouting gibberish. incomprehensible. but i just stood there and took the beating. because ultimately, i don't care about other goons, or even myself. i only care about the posts -- the more extreme the better. and from the beatdown, i was reborn.
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May 24, 2017 07:26
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May 24, 2017 07:27
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unpacked robinhood posted:They probably have a catchall exception for this
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May 24, 2017 07:51
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May 24, 2017 12:28
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Gammatron 64 posted:And then there's male feminists, hoo boy. A lot of them are huge creeps who wind up being rapists. I would NOT trust guys like that, folks.
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May 26, 2017 14:53
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Snatch Duster posted:"Huurrr. What about the Crusades?" and a few other ones 
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May 27, 2017 16:33
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give spain back to the moors!
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May 27, 2017 16:34
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May 27, 2017 19:02
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wow, poland, beacon of civilization poland
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May 28, 2017 04:31
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afeelgoodpoop posted:wow just as i thought.... a mentally ill man attacked by idiot tuff boys. can't wait to see what his "victims" look like. https://twitter.com/digiphile/status/868647470804422656
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May 28, 2017 06:36
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the problem for the right-wing activists doing these "free speech rallies" is that they're unorganized and directionless like occupy wall street. the purpose of a "free speech" rally is just to rally, like how to "occupy" became just about occupying while being divorced from any real goals. you've had your rally -- now what? have another rally! meanwhile, a bunch of conflicting interest groups on the fringe right have piled onto it, like how every left-wing showboat issue had to have a slice of occupy. if that wasn't bad enough, the aura of violence has been attracting dangerous people who are showing up precisely because there's an opportunity for violence, similar to the crazies and drug addicts who started showing up to occupy camps. and while the protest groups claim the crazies are not "one of us" they're still acting as a lightning rod for them. if they put away the sticks, batting helmets and american flag shields, it'd just be bougie pro-trump rallies; so they can't do that. and in both cases, you can be sure tim pool will be there livestreaming it. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 07:04 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 06:51
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That's a pretty common reaction from parents who have lost their children to killers and is part of the grieving process. Holding on to anger at the killer prevents the process of accepting the loss of a loved one and adapting to a life without them.Dongattack posted:"We will forgive that terrorist SO HARD! Everything is solved by forgiveness and understanding
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Luxury Communism posted:Any adult male who is an unironic Ariana Grande fan is more suspect than an anime avatar imho
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