Huge_Midget posted:

Calling it now, he either keels over from a heart attack, or resigns before impeachment proceedings begin. Either way he's not making it to the Fourth of July.

PhazonLink posted:

https://i.imgur.com/C3jwFHv.jpg No one cares about this one.

Jealous Cow posted:

Oh is it blowing up from Tacoma?

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

The printer steg thing they used to identify the Intercept source is basically invisible unless you know it's already there, right? It's a colossal fuckup on their part to not know about it already, but accidentally overlooking an identification code printed in tiny yellow dots seems like a much more plausible theory than Greenwald intentionally destroying the credibility of his own news organization because Russia paid him off or whatever.

Xae posted:

Well, my parents are still alive and kicking.

And my dad's pension did get cut by 50%.

So them having to come and live with me is a distant but very real possibility I have to deal with.

Jaxyon posted:

I'm going to start building the guillotine

BiggerBoat posted:

It's a reality TV show and Idoicracy brought to life and I find myself in a stunned state of perpetual astonishment.

There Bias Two posted:

I doubt his health will last until 2020.

skylined! posted:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/new-trump-financial-disclosures-show-millions-in-increased?utm_term=.ae27yAEov#.djWWxVENz


I have a feeling this is only going to increase the likelihood for subpoenaing fiancials from trump properties for X years and embolden the emoluments lawsuits against him

boner confessor posted:

it's ridic to think of state based secession in the 21st century given that the real divide in this nation is urban/rural

The Glumslinger posted:

Hey, lets talk about other dumb things

Like how Clean Coal is loving impossible and isn't economically viable:

https://twitter.com/hiltzikm/status/882684080709660672


Also, an insanely hearty at the end

citybeatnik posted:

empty whippet box posted:

If we just throw one of the most prominent members of the party under the bus and poo poo all over him we can mitigate the damage of the bills we wrote and failed to pass while controlling all three branches of government! - the words and ideas of a healthy, functioning governing party

Flip Yr Wig posted:

It's actually probably a fairly relevant story, given how prominent cybersecurity vis-a-vis Russia has become in our news cycle. But it's not exactly competing with today's headlines, now is it?

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Here's another datapoint: every single time the minimum wage has been raised, nationwide, in the history of ever, has not increased unemployment

There Bias Two posted:

Do you find that you have highly motivated employees as a consequence of that?

Post 9-11 User posted:

One of the nicest people I've known all my life is a horse rancher who now posts deranged alt-right stuff. I've made mild comments and sent links to articles showing her opinions might not be accurate and her response is to say I'm attacking her and making strawman attacks. Her profile pic is now of her in Joker makeup (iconic of those posters from 2007 showing Obama dressed as The Joker with SOCIALIST written underneath). I don't know if she acts this way because of the whiskey or being surrounded by farmers who listen to AM radio talk hosts, but what I've learned is that there's no point in trying to talk sense into people who have become completely irrational.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

We had them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus-class_hydrofoil

TARDISman posted:

His only regret is he has... bonitis

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

That's exactly how I felt when I hit that broadcast and WHAM! TURTLECOCK!

I wanted to share that experience with all of you

I'm not making any of this up, it was the show about the guy doing the "Photo Ark" of endangered species

Later in the episode they showed an endangered lynx hunt and kill a rabbit and the rabbit screamed and screamed as the lynx killed it, it was incredibly graphic

You watch National Geographic, you see it all, you see everything

mod sassinator posted:

And then his confused staff has to explain to Trump that no, no, no the plan was to fire Sessions when Congress went on vacation, not Trump!

mdemone posted:

poo poo yeah that was a good one. I feel satisfied by it.

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/893224820003016710

RuanGacho posted:

I'll give it a shot, but I'm just kind of going off the cuff here so be gentle with your critiques please, I haven't spent a lot of time trying to refine this idea.

When people who don't talk politics with me regularly try to summarize my beliefs on corporations in general it usually boils down to something like "[RuachGacho] you hate corporations!" which isn't strictly true, I do hate how they're used as a bulwark against any kind of responsibility to society, workers or to their own best long term interests.
I feel that the problem is largely not with capitalism itself, which is our general western methodology for exchanging goods and services but we're at the same time stuck with this kind of weird societal nihilism that advocates that the only thing we can trust is greed, people's desire for power and money. This ignores a populism that many people believe in but probably more often than not lack the, uh, tools to communicate I guess. This is not to say I agree with the idiotic nonsense that we often see from "third way" Democrats and the establishment Dems as a whole. I have tried to express a consideration that the world they largely grew up in, (being our parents or parents parents generation at times) in a lead tainted less complex world.

A small digression, that I think it is worth considering the possibility that the left leaning more compassionate and forgiving trend of people under 50 could be "normal" for humanity. It could be the first time in the C.E. calendar that we're not actively being brain poisoned by our environment and also have the advancement of science and technology to make good on it.

Back on topic, we have a pretty obvious generational bias for things to be framed as they were in the time our current leaders came of age, post WW2. The desire for nuance and complexity of positions is... lacking. They have spent their entire lives with corporate capitalism, mostly unfettered, and in spite of progressive attempts to reign in the largess, increasingly unregulated as more and more Americans lost a sense of civic duty and replaced it with shallow nationalism. I define corporate capitalism in this particular context as capitalism that runs for the extreme benefit of non-persons to no real ideological purpose other than self perpetuation, corporate capitalism is capitalism which has become a virus in our society in what should be a symbiotic relationship.

To summarize that last paragraph, capitalism in the US and to a degree I'm not prepared to quantify in other western countries has instead of being helpful stomach bacterial flora, has become corporate obsessed and now we all have economic AIDS. (The comparisons to Reagan and his ilk and the current behavior of the GOP is not lost on me.)

The solution to this is in my estimation two fold, and I will put them in as simple terms as I can. Corporations should serve at the pleasure of the public, if they are actively working against the public interest, they should not exist. We have mechanisms that can accomplish this, but we never exercise them due to as far as I can tell a cultural blind spot; culminated in things like Citizens United. If a business is an active harm to the community, we should revoke it's business licence. Period.

We should mistrust corporations like we mistrust government, equally. That is wherein the nuance lies, we should always be skeptical of people's motives while ideologically hoping for the best of us, in all of us.

Related more on the topic of economics and pushing for a more just and egalitarian world, we must end the obsession with profit. With running up the score. If seeing cream himself about running up the score on the stock market unsettles you, you have a sense of what the problem is. It's a measure set by corporate capitalism. There are things that must be done without measuring if it was value on a balance sheet. We must feed and comfort our people, all people. Our viewpoints on what is possible and plausible are jaded now by an entire generation of people who are unconcerned with the challenges their inheritors will have to cope with without them.

I have come to see government as the technology that enables society. If government isn't doing something right, we must amend the process. Ideally, like good information tech, it become ubiquitous and quiet, it assists without demanding something of the individual in return. (This is my ideological problem with twitter, to be blunt, it is loud and greedy). By similar note people do not want to pay for good government, like they don't want to pay for good IT unless they are scared. This is my biased and myopic view. I can only learn so much to enrich and enable my life and this is why I count on and depend on others to know, and do things I cannot. Corporate capitalism reduces us to balance sheets and we are so much more, full, and complex and valuable than what we can quantify.

There's a lot more that I could say, but I probably lean already toward incoherence. So I hope that at least gives an idea of a path forward as I see it.

a cat on an apple posted:

discussing class divisions seems to be impossible here, but I personally would not consider 'working class' as a term to describe anyone not in hard labour. anecdotally, within my southern communities I know no one that would conflate poor and white as "white working class." not that anecdotes prove anything.

PhazonLink posted:

What do you except from a man that skips leg day.

Lightning Knight posted:

Oh I got you. Sorry.

volts5000 posted:

After yesterday, me and my wife talked with our 10 and 12 year old boys about what happened yesterday, how people can start believing Nazi bullshit, and how to be smart and not fall into those traps. If you've got kids, please talk with them about this. We showed them an old post WWII public service film about being suckered into believing Nazi propaganda. It's old, but it's still on the nose and relevant to what's going on today. We told them how it's not necessarily going to be some guy on a street corner, like in the video, but it could be some Let's Player on YouTube or one of their friends. They might find themselves at a low point in their lives and want someone to blame, and somebody they trust or respect will tell them it's ok to blame black people, Mexicans, Jews, etc. Kids these days have to be aware of this poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE

FizFashizzle posted:

Alright, I want to talk about what i call the Moral Imperative of Doxx'ing Nazis.

Right wing fascism spread in France, Spain, Germany, eastern europe and the southern united states for primarily two reasons: Anonymity/lack of consequences for your actions, and a legitimate perceived threat from soviet Russia.

I'll deal with the second first.

The soviets were loving everywhere in the 20s and 30s. They had infiltrated the banks, and they legit had spies in western europe. During the spanish civil war, they basically took over the madrid government. They were completely incompetent and stalin purged the generals for good reason, but that's beyond the point. Your average middle class parisian, or german, or hungarian could reasonably point to that threat of soviet incursion and make a lesser of two evils argument for the fascists. We were less than a decade from GLORIOUS POLAND winning their only military victory in their miserable history when they stopped Trotsky. Full disclose, I'm polish, so I can say that

If you look at the rise of nazi's in germany and the fascists in france (what I'm more familiar with) what you'll see is the middle classes overwhelmingly favoring the fascists over the anarchists and soviets.

The Klan in the United States beat that Communist menace drum as hard as anyone, and used it to malign basically every other social progress movement they didn't like. Now obviously there were other reasons in the American South that the klan had implicit support that didn't exist in western europe (race) but the soviets were there. Of course the joke is the soviets weren't in the southeast becase it was a desolate poo poo hole but that's irrelevant.

This obviously doesn't apply to the current day united states, because there is no real leftists organization. Not to get all prester jane, but I think the DSA in the immediate future will get more and more publicity from the right wing. For the right to work, there must always be an enemy which is simultaneously an existential threat and imminently beatable blah blah blah read umberto ecco.

The other thing more relevant to us today is the anonymity and relative lack of consequence these movements operated under. In germany, for example, yeah you go out in a crowd to fight the communists, and every now and then someone gets assassinated, but for the most part these guys went to work on monday and no one knew what they'd done on the weekend. Even for your most diehard brownshirt they had families and jobs and they had some sense of anonymity. And even if they did get arrested, the one thing the proto-nazis did do right was stack the courts. They'd always get a judge to give them a slap on the wrist, while the communist would be off doing hard labor.

I am a southerner as well as a GLORIOUS , FOURTH ROME and I had at least one family member that was in the klan. The klan only worked when no one knew who the members were. Oh sure there were some more outspoken and blatant about it, including a future US senator, but your rank and file were only involved when they could do it without losing their job, or social standing, or whatever. I know we like to poo poo on the south in here, but you couldn't openly be in the klan in the south. It's just like being an alcoholic baptist. Everyone knows you are, but as long as you have plausible deniability, it's fine. The second you get caught passed out somewhere, then they have issues.

The klan was destroyed in the south when the fbi just started naming them. They weren't wearing sheets because of how proud they were of what they were doing, and for the most part that kind of blatant, overt racism and murder retreated into the country clubs where white people could drink their drinks and make racist jokes. This is horrible for sure, but better than it was.

We'll obviously never know what would have happened to western europe if these people had just been named, but there's a reason it's a rude question to ask someone in buenos aires why they have a french accent.

My main point is 4chan was a big reason this whole alt right bullshit got started. They could post anonymously without consequences, talk with others like them, and that they gave them a false sense of empowerment. Oh man there's so many of us and we can just talk like really mean and surely everyone else would think this way but the PC culture is keeping us down blah blah blah. Yeah we can meet them and beat the poo poo out of them, but fascists had their asses beat up and down western europe for most of the 30s and that didn't stop their rise. As a matter of fact, it just reinforces their persecution complex.

The way you fight them is make their actions have consequences. They all know their ideas are horrific, and when confronted with them they resort to puppet master defenses. This gets quoted a lot, but it bears repeating

https://newrepublic.com/article/139004/ironic-nazis-still-nazis



They know this is horseshit. None of their ideas can stand up to an ounce of scrutiny and they know it. If things get too hot they can just back down and laugh it off until they're surrounded by enough of their rear end in a top hat friends to recharge their persecution complex. Then they'll charge again.

There is a massive backlash against the alt right after this weekend. They will go into hiding and lay low for a while. Just like after Berkley. Just like after Richard Spencer got run out of loving Auburn of all places ( don't gently caress with the :sec: bitch) , but it's only a matter of time before this happens again.

There have to be consequences for their actions.

Every single person that has been identified from this weekend needs to have their lives ruined. You smother this in its cradle right now. Yeah people like richard spencer are too in it to really ruin, and punching him is cool and good. But the people that would make up the rank and file need to understand that if they do this, they're becoming unemployable. They'll get kicked out of their university. They're moving back in with mom and dad. They'll never get laid again.

The nature of social media offers people on the left a historically unique opportunity to destroy this before it can get going. Yes, Trump is sympathetic to them for whatever loving reason, but he's a dead man walking. The institutions are resisting him in a way that didn't occur in 1930s germany.

These people need to be punished. make a large enough message now, and it will resonate through the rest of this generation. Fascism isn't some cool and edgy thing. It's a destructive force that needs to be stamped out, and supporting it, even if you're doing it ironically, is reason enough to have your life ruined. Even the most lighthearted, disinterested, ironic fascism will do damage, and it's just not something that can be hosed with.

now i'd like a spicy chicken sandwich, a frostee, and some fries

HappyHippo posted:

Please be careful with this doxxing, a few innocent people have been "identified" and are getting harassed as a result.

Cracker King posted:

I don't know what's more upsetting - the fact that our President is actually defending people who are publicly displaying swatiskas and outright declaring they are racist - OR the fact that droves of MAGA supporters will believe anything they are told to say via their own echo chambers?

actionjackson posted:

Did anyone really nazi this coming

Kale posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b8AhIsSYQ

Jefferson Starship

It's just another Sunday, in a tired old street
Police have got the choke hold, oh, then we just lost the beat
Don't tell us you need us, 'cause we're just simple fools
Looking for America, coming through your schools

Calibanibal posted:

buy guns

QuoProQuid posted:

counterpoint: don't

QuoProQuid posted:

there is no reality where i read the deranged screed of some rando on 4chan

Kale posted:

It's basically all stuff places like 4chan attribute to these hobbies when a lot if the time there's little if any attempt to make any sort of political statement these people just invent one and attribute to that thing in the "ironic" style. I figure it's the same people that utterly poo poo up the Twitch Evo chats by shouting "Weebs unite" this and racist crap everywhere and got banned within the first few hours of the 3 day event. Why you would make a sacrificial account that costs money to register just to spam a chat for a couple hours before getting modded out during the events the fewest people are going to see I don't know but nobody ever figured these people for particularly smart I imagine.

I mean hell they even tried to coopt the red wings logo and I hope the red wings organization sues the poo poo out of some of these hate groups if it can. They really need to stop being allowed to coopt otherwise harmless symbols and hobbies for their bullshit, like pepe the frog didn't used to be a hate symbol for example either. That's not fair use

DreamShipWrecked posted:

You may be overestimating us