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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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BarbarianElephant posted:

If the Russia thing goes too far down we are going to end up with President Ben Carson, aren't we? He seems to be about the only one of them absolutely blameless in terms of Russia, mostly because he's a dozy old fart.

The Russians tried, but every agent fell asleep during the recruitment process.

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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Star Man posted:

If David Cameron can gently caress a dead pig, then Michael Flynn can gently caress a dead turkey.

I also really don't want to know what dead animal Donald Trump has hosed.

He's still loving it.

Wait, you don't think that's his hair do you?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

It's not that they're moving to the center, it's that they're slowly realizing that the left will loving fight back, and now they suddenly don't have the stomach for a fight.You can claim they're "moving to the center" when they start espousing sensible policies, and not just going "y-y-y-y-you mean the next person I bodyslam/threaten with murder/slander might pull a g-g-g-g-g-g-gun on me?? CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? :qq:"

Reminder that Ted Nugent is such a loving personal coward that he deliberately poo poo himself for weeks himself to avoid the possibility of being drafted.

quote:

Interviewer: How did you get out of the draft?

Ted Nugent: Ted was a young boy, appearing to be a hippie but quite opposite in fact, working hard and playing hard, playing rock and roll like a deviant. People would question my sanity, I played so much. So I got my notice to be in the draft. Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar and go play army? Give me a break! I was busy doin’ it to it. I had a career Jack. If I was walkin’ around, hippying down, getting’ loaded and pickin’ my rear end like your common curs, I’d say “Hey yeah, go in the army. Beats the poop out of scuffin’ around in the gutters.” But I wasn’t a gutter dog. I was a hard workin’, mother****in’ rock and roll musician.

I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’ and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin’ dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I’m gonna play their own game, and I’m gonna destroy ’em. Now my whole body is crusted in poop and piss. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin’ awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded motherf*cker. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn’t know and I’m vacuuming that poop right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was — ’cause I was really into bein’ clean and on the ball — I made gutter swine hippies look like football players. I was deviano.

So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You f*cking swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t piss, But my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin’ up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin’ up. So I went home and cleaned up.

They took a putty knife to me. I got the street rats out of my hair, ate some good steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple of days and I was ready to kick rear end. And in the mail I got this big juicy 4-F. They’d call dead people before they’d call my rear end. But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherf*ckin’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it. I was too busy doin’ my own thing, you know?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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No Butt Stuff posted:

If the UK decided "lol jk" would they have to renegotiate entry after an exit at this point?

It would almost certainly go to the European court to decide. The wording of Article 50 makes no mention about what happens if a member changes their mind after invoking it.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Syrnn posted:

I don't want to sound like some hideous TECHNOLOGY BAD luddite, because the fault lies entirely within human social behaviours, but it's a little naïve to say that this is somehow a modern phenomenon. The mythology surrounding the adoption of technological (or more broadly, mechanical) advances has always been along the lines of , "Hark, Peasants! With this new farm equipment you can spend more of your time doing your crafts and spending time with loved ones! No longer spend all your waking hours tilling your fields!" In reality, it ends up looking a whole lot more like spending that same time tilling and farming a greater number of fields in direct factor to how much additional labour that new technology can sustain. The time 'saved' accruing more resources does end up somewhere, usually in the aggregate by people who don't perform the most intense labour; but, hierarchies aren't the result of this time saving, they're just the obvious beneficiaries of it. Pointing out the behavioural similarities between chimpanzees and humans compared to other primates, especially for all the self-destructive behaviour, is very nail-on-the-head for what to expect from people when you try to reason with them that hurting other people is bad.

Strictly speaking this isn't really true. Certainly automation pioneers like Henry Ford felt that making their workers more productive meant that those workers should be allowed to spend more time at leisure. The concepts of the five day week and the eight hour day are a direct result of efficiency improvements. Prior to the early 20th century, the usual working week for poors was seven days and as many hours as they could see well enough to work in.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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CDHiggs posted:

And let's not forget this bullshit.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/president-trump-cnn-bash-james-okeefe-russia-video-1202479313/


I guess Bonifield's brain just fell out of his loving head?

Yes, James O'Keefe, very reliable source. I'd definitely trust any video he produced to be an accurate representation of what was actually said.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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KickerOfMice posted:

Aside from puffing up DJT's ego, what positive effect could this have for anyone right now? I'm a little lost.
That's literally all of it. Trump's base will lap up the rhetoric from Trump about how he's cracking down on unfair competition to US suppliers without understanding what the gently caress is actually happening - even as they lose their jobs because the autoparts factory closed. Trump gets to make wild claims at his rallies which the shitwhistling cumweasels who support him will cheer about and Trump will feel better about the fact that practically the entire rest of the world outside of those convention halls hates him.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Ague Proof posted:

Is -Burger going to be the new -Gate/-Ghazi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Boris Galerkin posted:

I could totally see a president who used to be a former engineer or scientist working in a much better capacity than the useless lawyers our political system is full of right now. I would more easily and readily trust an engineer to surround himself with good advisors than Lawyer #74764. I'm not saying engineers don't make mistakes, but I just have a bias that engineers would listen more. So no, Zuckerberg or Joe Schmoe Engineer wouldn't have military experience, or international trade experience, etc., but I'd be 100% more confident that they could appoint a good cabinet to manage the the fine details.

Replace 'engineer' with 'businessman' in your post and compare your thesis to the shitshow that's currently happening. Theoretically, C-grade businessmen spend most of their time finding top talent to fill out directorships, laying out strategic goals and dealing with other high-level individuals in government and industry around the world. So, you'd be forgiven for thinking that someone who was good at running a very big and very complex enterprise like, say, ExxonMobil or Trump Industries, would be fan-loving-tastic at figuring out what to do and then building teams to get poo poo done.

Alas, it's not the case. Successful politicians are people who know how government works and how to solve the unique internal problems that governments create. People who know who to go and talk to and how to get that person on board. People who know which battles to fight and which to let go. People who understand that great ideas are secondary to workable ideas. Often those people are lawyers because working in government is ultimately all about working with laws. Making them, amending them, repealing them. If you don't understand the language, you can't speak to the natives.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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BiggerBoat posted:

"The Audacity of a Dope"

"Schemes of My Father"

The Art of the Squeal.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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She was also a secretary and not a CPA. News article.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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TARDISman posted:

Friend, let me tell you about the magic powers of having an "R" next to your name.

This is the party that thought Ben Carson was a credible Presidential candidate... after hearing him speak.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/891039783715262465

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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SulphagneSocialist posted:

There's an acting DHS secretary who is determined according to the law governing it, but the problem is that the President can name someone else from DHS management to be acting secretary, and they have no idea at DHS if the President wants to do that or not. Just a "nah" would suffice and they'd then know who the acting secretary is because they would follow their regular order of succession.
Also there's a bunch of stuff that requires a full director to sign off on. Acting Directors can keep things running to a point but they don't have the full powers of a properly confirmed agency director.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

What the gently caress amateur hour poo poo is that? How many loving font families on that thing? Jesus, it would only be worse if it was in papyrus, copperplate bold gothic and comic loving sans. How the gently caress does someone put that goddamn abortion of graphic design together and then not immediately pulverise their own spleen in shame.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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KickerOfMice posted:

You can fire your dogs?

Apparently you can goat-fire them.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Blitz7x posted:

Imagine the Mouth of Sauron if they never let him back through the black gates

Very good.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Retro42 posted:

My understanding isn't war between us and them. More likely that they have a certain vested interested in NK economically/geographically/etc that we don't. If the US tries to roll tank columns into NK my understanding is a non-zero chance China does the same to secure as much territory as they can for their own needs.

China doesn't need territory and it sure as poo poo doesn't need a few more malnourished, illiterate peasants either. What they really don't want however is a US client state on their southern border.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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RZApublican posted:

Technically he said he'd come up with a plan in two months that would end the war.

Whether that happened is pretty debatable.

What he actually said was that he'd give the generals 30 days to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS. Because obviously, they need to be asked and it hasn't occurred to them at any point in the last seven years to take some initiative there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-executive-order-isis-defeat-30-days-a7551521.html

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:

I would like Michael Shannon to play Mueller. Probably because of his role on Boardwalk Empire. (in the eventual movies that will certainly be made about this)

The bad news is that it will be an Oliver Stone movie and the bad guy will be Podesta who orchestrated Hillary's loss so that Trump would be president and then get impeached for ... well, basically everything, because the idea that Trump is a shitwhistling cumweasel who fell into the presidency more or less by accident isn't crazy enough.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Teddybear posted:

I mean, he'd be president, so it's not like he would have much of a political future to strive for. He could only run for one more term as president if that scenario happened.

Not true. If he became President after the midterms, he could run twice. Only if he serves more than half a term does it count towards the two term limit.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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eggyolk posted:

Its a safe bet they put Pence on the ticket assuming that Trump wouldn't last.

Manafort put Pence on the ticket by faking an aircraft maintenance emergency so that Trump couldn't go and talk to Christie in time.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Azhais posted:

It was just a simple misreading



Ein Spike! Ein Yolk! Ein Stirrer!

(It's how you make Luftwaffles)

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

It's really not hyperbole that if Trump literally poo poo his pants there would be an internet contingent ready to defend it.

https://twitter.com/evilsharkey/status/864548377660317696

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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There's an FAQ from a few years ago by NOAA that sort of responds to this.

Sidenote, it's terrifying to me that this is a question that they apparently get asked frequently enough to have a stock answer for.

quote:

Subject: C5c) Why don't we try to destroy tropical cyclones by nuking them ?
Contributed by Chris Landsea (NHC)
During each hurricane season, there always appear suggestions that one should simply use nuclear weapons to try and destroy the storms. Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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WeAreTheRomans posted:

That's a good boy

All dogs are good dogs :colbert:

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Lightning Knight posted:

Weird. I always thought Pinochet was the golden boy of neoconservatives and libertarians.

Thatcher and Reagan loving loved Pinochet.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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RuanGacho posted:

Im going to take this moment to pivot and ask why more people arent concerned with Trumps religion because they sure as hell were convinced Obama was muslim (read: black/unamerican). While Trump needs no help destroying his relationship with the business community, some good and needed damage could be done to his approvals if we can get him to attack the religious, which I don't imagine should be hard with a narcissist. Maybe PJ has some insight into that or why it hasn't really happened yet.

The religious right do not care about their candidate's morals or their faith particularly. They vote on two issues and two issues only - gays and abortion. Everything else is secondary. They know that no matter who the R candidate is, they will do more to advance pro-religious right policies than whoever the D candidate is. This election, there was also a vacant SC seat in the mix which was a huge incentive for the religious right to come out. You could have literal Satan running on the GOP ticket and the religious right would still vote for him if it meant another conservative Supreme Court Justice.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Gyges posted:

Out of curiosity, how do you even get a phone with no browser or way to go to the internet but also had access to twitter?

Is he actually yelling tweets from the oval office out to a secretary to post?

Apparently yes.

Also, I guess the POTUS gets a special phone with a custom software load.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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That Italian Guy posted:

I'm extremely ignorant on the subject, so I hope someone will be able to illuminate me: how much is this already related to climate change? Or is this within "standards" for the region?

As others have said, it's not really possible to point to one example of weather and say that it's caused by a change in climate. Even a long time after the fact. However, consider this, climate change models predict (and are actually recording) a global rise in average temperatures. Temperatures are heat, heat is energy. The climate is a fluid system where energy goes in (mostly as heat from the Sun) and energy goes out (as weather). The more energy that goes in, the more energy that has to go out. Either in the form of more violent or more frequent releases periodically or as a broad increase in the power of general weather patterns.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Xae posted:

Who wants to deal with 25 million brain washed starving peasants?

The cost of unification for Germany has been estimated at about €100B per year and it's still ongoing. Almost 30 years later, there is still a huge economic and social gulf between the East and West of the country. The difference between the DPRK and ROK, or even between the DPRK and PRC is orders of magnitude greater than the difference between the GDR and the DDR. Reunification or assimilation might not be economically feasible for anyone.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Hastings posted:

This is proof of psychological and emotional torture. I am honestly surprised the Hague isn't involved with this kind of level of war crimes, because this is an arm of the govt. going to task against its citizens.

The US is not subject to the Treaty of Rome, the International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Crabtree posted:

Guys, remember, we can't call the white supremacists and fascists Nazis. That's reserved for them to effectively utilize against their enemies to make sure the public remains dumb enough to think antifa is worse than people who want to murder the former.

CNN and Antifa are Nazis and Nazis are bad as everyone knows. Except for those guys carrying actual Swastika flags, doing Hitler salutes and trying to recreate the loving Nuremberg Rally with supplies form Home Depot. Those aren't Nazis at all.


Lead out in cuffs posted:

American exceptionalism is a hell of a drug.

(And has been for a long time -- the US has always been opposed to the International Criminal Court).

The US signed the treaty but has refused to ratify it. Those swarthy foreign international criminals are fair game but don't you go arresting fine Americans who are just following orders waterboarding freedom into people.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Hellblazer187 posted:

How many of y'all would move to western Europe if the legal immigration part of it were easier?

Edit: Corollary question: I know there are some Europeans in this thread. Would anything make you consider moving to the US?

I'm wondering if EU is just BETTER overall than USA.

I'm British. I work in an industry (video games) that makes it ridiculously easy (and somewhat required) to relocate often. In the past 15 years, I've lived in Nottingham, Paris, Dublin, Southern Germany, Madrid, Kyiv, and now I'm in Eastern Slovakia. From time to time, my agent sends me roles in the US and I'm not even remotely interested in taking them. My ex-wife was American and I spent quite a bit of time over there (Colorado, New Jersey and New Mexico) and I hated the obscenely materialistic worldview, the lovely work/life balance, the punishing lack of health care and the third world levels of infrastructure. In all of the places I've lived, even Ukraine and Slovakia, I've had access to a quality of life that just does not exist in the US unless you are very rich. I could triple my salary by moving to the US but I'd lose so much that it wouldn't be worth it.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Ogmius815 posted:

Gratuitous primary chat.

I didn't read it as rehashing the primary. To me it seemed more like 'The US has deep systemic issues that have been more or less solved in other countries but even the most progressive presidential candidate in the last US election threw her hands up and said that there just isn't a way to fix those problems, which was disheartening.'

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Well also the fact the plane carrying it wouldn't be able to fly to a safe distance in time.

It was a stupid, impractical design made entirely for dick waving purposes.

Even with the reduced yield, the estimate for survival was basically a coin flip. The Tu-95 bomber managed to get 45km away from the drop site before it exploded and they still lost a full kilometre of altitude when the shockwave hit. The mushroom cloud was 40km wide at the base, 95km wide at the top and reached 64km high which is well into the mesosphere.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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skeleton warrior posted:

Yeah, but coming from Barrack "I can't be seen as rocking the boat" Obama, it seems like some major lines are about to be redrawn. Again, not undeservedly, and I'm eagerly anticipating the hole that Trump digs in his hatred for Obama and criticism.

Bearing in mind that when Obama was first elected he drew a very firm line under litigating the actions of the Bush administration because he didn't want to be divisive, him continuing to speak out against Trump is a very, very big deal.


Fitzy Fitz posted:

Decorum is dead, and Trump killed it. I want to pin it on the wiretapping accusation, but it happened well before that.

It happened about a nanosecond after he got off his golden escalator in his golden building and started being racist in his announcement speech.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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DreamShipWrecked posted:

Remember that the biggest arguement against DACA is that the undocumented people are a drain on the economy. Showing that there is going to be a big economic loss is a good way to remove the only arguement they have other than white supremacy

Um, one of the biggest arguments against British EU membership was that immigrants were costing the country money. Many, many people produced fact-based rebuttals that showed EU immigration was a huge net benefit to the economy. People still voted to kick the freeloading immigrants out. People who have opinions on immigrants don't change them based on economic arguments for some reason. Who knows why? :iiam:

It's because they are racist as poo poo and don't care about the economics

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Aren't states usually admitted in pairs? What would be the additional state to balance PR? Cut an existing state in half? Annex Cuba?

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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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evilweasel posted:

that hasnt been true since the civil war

Except for all the times when it has been true. Both Dakotas, Washington and Montana in 1889, Idaho and Wyoming in 1890, Arizona and New Mexico in 1912, Hawaii and Alaska in 1959. In fact the only time it hasn't happened since the ACW was in 1896 and 1907 when Utah and Oklahoma respectively were admitted.

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