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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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I have the impression the Scottish greens (who are a separate party) are a bit better on the whole science thing, but admittedly I'm not in a position to look it up right now. Harvie in westminster, or even establishing a competitive FPTP seat from the greens would be 100% kickin' rad though, just to complete the uselessness of this thread by giving ThomasPaine in Glasgow North three different pieces of conflicting advice. Being pro-independence they might also bleed votes from the snp long-term while having a much stronger level of lefty-cred, if they're seen as a viable option.
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I assume the demographics at work here are more than just age; there's no-where near as much of a hate-on for the Lib-Dems among people my age I know IRL.
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My personal crackpot theory is that there's no correlation between age and political preference, it's specifically the baby boomer generation that are broken in the head
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Jun 1, 2017 08:29
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Dzhay posted:I assume the demographics at work here are more than just age; there's no-where near as much of a hate-on for the Lib-Dems among people my age I know IRL. Yeah almost all of my left leaning friends are voting Green or Lib Dem. Except the one guy voting Tory because "the NHS needs a kick up the arse".
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Trin Tragula posted:I've been bored and trying to avoid things, so I decided to go poke around at these magical new YouGov polls and projections ... Trin Tragula posted:More Thanks for these, they're excellent write ups and give a really good sense of how blunt national polling figures are. Has there been any published polling (even pre-GE) looking at ukip voters specifically since the referendum, or anywhere that tried to use the council elections to see where, if anywhere, their voters are going to,
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Dzhay posted:I assume the demographics at work here are more than just age; there's no-where near as much of a hate-on for the Lib-Dems among people my age I know IRL.
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jBrereton posted:There is a brokebrained marxist streak in many of this thread's posters that is only partly reflective of the public as a whole, and their vitriol makes people who aren't on at least the sorta-left not want to post, imo. I wish it worked on you.
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Dzhay posted:I assume the demographics at work here are more than just age; there's no-where near as much of a hate-on for the Lib-Dems among people my age I know IRL. Did they vote in 2010
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kustomkarkommando posted:Did they vote in 2010 Of course. I'm nearly 30.
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Apparently the Mail's headline about fury over lefty bias is based on one tweet where someone went 'hmm this audience seems fairly left' and then followed with a tweet saying that wasn't meant as a criticism.
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We need an age cap. If your average life expectancy means you probably won't last a full term, then you don't get a vote. Sensible older people will see the logic, it will be the OLD, LOUD, AND FRIGHTENED who kick off about it and they are exactly the people we want to exclude. Boomer generation are now firmly in this category. Will cut out all of the bullshit where governments build policy around people who are nearly dead because they know they are the biggest voting block, and force them to concentrate on the youth and long term policy. My nan is 90 today , she's not old, venerable and wise. she can't figure out how her boiler works and organised a boycott of a local pub because they put the Wednesday pensioners special up by £1 without giving anyone warning. According to my nan It would have been ok if they had told everyone a few weeks before, but because they only put it on the board on the Monday their business had to fail (which it did) as a punishment or something(????). These people can vote.
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jBrereton posted:There is a brokebrained marxist streak in many of this thread's posters that is only partly reflective of the public as a whole, and their vitriol makes people who aren't on at least the sorta-left not want to post, imo. *correctbrained
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https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/870066949417570305 That would be one of the more amazing outcomes of this shitshow, no matter how unlikely.
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Does the polling still show Tom Watson as likely to lose his seat? That was the only mono-molecular silver lining to the whole Tory landslide predictions.
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Trin Tragula posted:Here's an example of the sort of thing I'm talking about. Hastings & Rye is a Tory-held seat with a majority of 4,796 (9.4% of all votes cast). The UKIP vote last time was 6,786 (11%). The Lib Dems and Greens combine for about 3,500 votes. The current YouGov prediction* has the seat pissing all over national swing, with Labour winning on about 45%, the Tories on about 42%, and UKIP nowhere at about 5%. There's also a major comedy wild card here that they don't mention or attempt to quantify; this is Amber Rudd's seat. God knows what that's going to mean. The election is full of these seats: Ipswich, Reading East, Dudley North, Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland. They're going to be where the election is decided. Which way does the UKIP vote swing, are the kids going to turn out, and are there any local peculiarities?
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. The headline numbers in H&R are a predicted 45-42 Labour victory, but you look at that for half a second and you quickly see that there's a gargantuan margin of error; the actual prediction is Labour on anywhere between 38% and 52%, and the Tories on anywhere between 36% and 47%. And the worst-case scenario of the Tories on 47% and Labour on 38% in the constituency lines up nicely inside the margin of error on that national TNS poll. They don't loving know what the seat breakdown's going to be! Nobody knows. But it's fun when the Times splashes their numbers on the front page as gospel...
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Goa Tse-tung posted:*correctbrained Flatscan posted:Does the polling still show Tom Watson as likely to lose his seat? That was the only mono-molecular silver lining to the whole Tory landslide predictions.
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El Grillo posted:Yeah this is why unfortunately I think we're hosed, because as far as I've heard most of that UKIP vote has been directly swallowed up by the Tories (hence their large national vote share)? Which means on a constituency-by-constituency basis, if they do turn out to vote, we are screwed in a lot of these seats. Anyone care to disabuse me of the UKIP vote - to - Tories thesis? I would very much like it to not be the case.
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UKMT is left-wing because those types of opinions tend to fare better in a moderated environment. In a forum with no rules, right-wing thought (both 'ironic' and genuine) tends to flourish, because internet douchebag theory. When it comes to ideology, very few people from the left or the right that I encounter think that the current situation is in any way sustainable, so the question becomes 'what is the best solution to this'. UKMT (correctly I feel) points out that systematic disenfranchisement and inequality is one of the root causes of all the world's ills, and when that is placed up against the admittedly cherished idea of fiscal freedom for the wealthiest in society, which arguably is what lead us to this situation in the first place, the latter doesn't hold much water. When enough people agree with that in a localised space, it forms a consensus, a group of people who are more interested in discussing the nuances within their belief system, rather than relitigating the broad thrusts over and over (which is something I think all of us in this thread are well accustomed to irl). GBS is like a lovely version of the home-counties, expressing much the same view as many of the older folk who have an inherent distrust of anything foreign or different to them. UKMT is like the metaphorical Manchester of SA, good and correct. a neurotic ai fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Dunno whether this was posted yesterday but the Lib Dems latest election broadcast is pretty weird: https://www.facebook.com/libdems/videos/vb.5883973269/10155403423853270/ I think their video guy is on speed
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Jun 1, 2017 09:28
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Not all the lefties in this thread are full communists either. We're a broad church United by a lust for a progressive government and a desire to seduce pissflaps
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Jun 1, 2017 09:29
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who wants to read about some direct democracy in action when there are only 33 voters that makes brexit look sensible? http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/nobody-wins-here-tiny-village-of-seneca-ceases-to-exist/article_bf75e341-33e6-534b-bcbe-cc9cb4060f52.html
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/870066949417570305 This seems very unlikely. She's sitting on a 5k majority and has 6,700 UKIP voters to benefit from. I forgot she was married to AA Gill lol
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El Grillo posted:Yeah this is why unfortunately I think we're hosed, because as far as I've heard most of that UKIP vote has been directly swallowed up by the Tories (hence their large national vote share)? Which means on a constituency-by-constituency basis, if they do turn out to vote, we are screwed in a lot of these seats. Anyone care to disabuse me of the UKIP vote - to - Tories thesis? I would very much like it to not be the case. It has changed a bit recently: https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/869579928936820738
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Steve2911 posted:
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Serotonin posted:To go with the last of kicking in the head we have had? Treat us mean, keep us keen
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Namtab posted:Treat us mean, keep us keen what is your gameplan for seducing pissflaps, Namtab?
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Jun 1, 2017 09:41
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'Three minutes of nothing': Herald reporter reflects on PM encounter (it has video you can watch if you really hate yourself)quote:She had and given me absolutely nothing. It was like a postmodern version of Radio 4's Just A Minute.
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Jun 1, 2017 09:42
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Steve2911 posted:Except the one guy voting Tory because "the NHS needs a kick up the arse". Hmm I wonder which party has been in power for the last 7 years
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Jun 1, 2017 09:43
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The thing about the UKMT is that petty much anybody who isn't a literal racist or fascist gets treated fairly and decently itt, and yet there's still a noticeable bunch of whiners who complain about it being a liberal commie sjw echochamber.  it's because they're loving nazis and they don't like being called out on it
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JFairfax posted:what is your gameplan for seducing pissflaps, Namtab? There's no plan for love
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Have you seen GBS? This thread is the last refuge of those very few SA users that are left-leaning. Not true, this entire website is left-leaning bar GBS and three or four subforums. This thread might be the only place for left-leaning UK political opinions, though.
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dispatch_async posted:'Three minutes of nothing': Herald reporter reflects on PM encounter (it has video you can watch if you really hate yourself) haha loving hell this is amazing. she has nothing
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JFairfax posted:haha loving hell this is amazing. Thatcher's spinning in her piss-soaked grave.
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It's amazing how much further left I started leaning once I realised I would soon be out of work.
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Oberleutnant posted:The thing about the UKMT is that petty much anybody who isn't a literal racist or fascist gets treated fairly and decently itt, and yet there's still a noticeable bunch of whiners who complain about it being a liberal commie sjw echochamber. Also, very little sympathy is given to Leave voters for obvious reasons.
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learnincurve posted:We need an age cap. If your average life expectancy means you probably won't last a full term, then you don't get a vote. Sensible older people will see the logic, it will be the OLD, LOUD, AND FRIGHTENED who kick off about it and they are exactly the people we want to exclude. Boomer generation are now firmly in this category. After Brexit and Trump's election, I genuinely want an age cap. It's bullshit that these people will die in five or ten years, but they get to gently caress over the next generations one last time before they go. Also, the story of your nan is horrifying.
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Jun 1, 2017 10:01
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quote:I am in a seething rage about this general election, it is the most crooked and contemptible since Hang the Kaiser 99 years ago. I don’t think England has had a leader as ruthless, futile and destructive as Theresa May since Richard III fell at Bosworth.
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18-24 year olds are polling like 70% Labour, and the next age group is also pretty heavily Labour. This thread is about what you'd expect, the only age group with a lot of Tories is 65+ and they don't post on the internet that much.
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