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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
| Total: | 1817 votes | ||
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Jun 9, 2017 12:51
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She's definitely going to get beaten hard with the stick of calling the DUP her friends
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Jun 9, 2017 12:59
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Worth pointing out that under a proportional system we'd comfortably have a progressive coalition (at the price of 12 UKIP MPs)
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Jun 9, 2017 13:04
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Pocket posted:Where's Boris hiding his fat face? Sitting on a fence as hard as possible
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Jun 9, 2017 13:09
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The DUP aren't the only unionists who are going to put the squeeze on any kind of hard brexit, Scottish Tories have a lot of power right now
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Jun 9, 2017 13:39
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Night10194 posted:So, like, does Theresa May get knifed in a closet by the rest of the Tories now? Is that how party leadership shifts work? Probably not until the summer break, unless she can't get a virtually empty Queen's speech approved, in which case Corbyn gets a chance to form something approaching a government (then attempt to call another election and win a majority)
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Jun 9, 2017 13:42
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Did Theresa discuss this deal with her MPs before going through with it? I can't help but feel that a lot of them are going to be unhappy about getting into bed with the political arm of the UDA. She spent all morning at party HQ then number 10 doing damage control and scrambling something together.
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Jun 9, 2017 13:46
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This election proves left wing politics are still viable and as old crusty tories die out things can only get better imho
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Jun 9, 2017 13:49
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CptAwesome posted:So best case scenario, May is forced into a clumsy and ineffective govt for the next few months before being forced to call an election and is swept away by a thirst for fully automated luxury gay space communism? Pretty much. Then progressive coalition pushes through proportional representation Another possible upside of this result: Tories probably won't get their boundary changes that are definitely not gerrymandering through
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Jun 9, 2017 13:53
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OwlFancier posted:Corbyn actually doesn't like electoral reform. I think he's pragmatic enough to accept it if he needs Lib Dem support to form a government
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Jun 9, 2017 13:56
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Tusk: congrats on forming another government, now let's negotiate a deal that causes the least possible disruption read: ahaha soft brexit is the only deal now and you know it
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Jun 9, 2017 13:59
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno, he strongly believes in the importance of the constituency connection, so any reform I think would need to keep the constituency system. Yeah, and I happen to agree with him on that as well, but there are plenty of systems that are more representative without getting rid of constituency MPs
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Jun 9, 2017 14:03
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OwlFancier posted:Maybe, I dunno honestly if he's really firmly a fan of the current system because it's worked so well for him for so long. Even on a strict percentage of 650, today's result would only lose Labour 1 or 2 seats, Tories lose 41, Lib Dems gain 36
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Jun 9, 2017 14:07
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Entropy238 posted:Is the suggestion here that May initiated a dialogue with the DUP and then just hightailed it to the Queen as fast as she could to stave off attacks? She got an agreement that they'd vote for some form of Tory Queen's Speech in order to keep Corbyn out
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Jun 9, 2017 14:44
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah I get that but.. Delenda est Nihongo
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Jun 9, 2017 16:34
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The Tories are basically left propping up a woman they openly loathe, because if her government collapses they have to fight another election. Labour would now be able to fight it on the attack, rather than focusing on damage control. Lots of Labour resources got pumped into constituencies which have turned out to be very safe, and there's plenty of very marginal seats to go for now.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:07
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Knifegrab posted:
She called the election with polls giving her a 20% lead, she's managed under 2.5%, which isn't enough to keep control without crawling to some very undesirable people Her party want her out, but can't get her out until they've managed to make sure they can keep control because otherwise the left get to form some kind of progressive government. She'll make it until the summer break and get knifed when the Tories have worked out who they want to replace her. Brexit will go ahead regardless, but she'll be forced into a much weaker position and have to pull back from the hard brexit she wanted a mandate to push
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Jun 9, 2017 17:41
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Knifegrab posted:I thought she said something along the lines of "if I lose seats I will resign". Shouldn't this be playing on every news channel on a loop until the wheat field running idiot steps down? Only if the news channels wanted her to step down
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Jun 9, 2017 17:43
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Fans posted:12 possibly 13 as one left to go. They used to have a majority of 4 They've also only done this well because of winning 12 seats in Scotland as protest votes against a second Scottish independence referendum, entirely unconnected to May's performance
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Jun 9, 2017 17:46
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Grouchio posted:Can someone explain to me what would come of May forming a coalition with the DUP? She doesn't even know yet, nobody else has a better chance of guessing
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Jun 9, 2017 17:49
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May has to somehow juggle DUP anti-gay anti-catholic extremists and Scottish Tories, led by a lesbian engaged to an Irish catholic in order to have a chance of her government not collapsing. Then add in the rest of the party's deep divisions over europe, and she's basically doomed. The only thing uniting the Tories is the prospect of Prime Minister Corbyn
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Jun 9, 2017 17:52
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3rd Kensington recount about to begin. Recount #2 had a 20 vote Labour lead, in a constituency which had a 21% Tory lead in 2015
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Jun 9, 2017 18:00
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Knifegrab posted:Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere. Well we actually have gun control
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Jun 9, 2017 18:03
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jabby posted:No real word yet on how the majority of pollsters got it so catastrophically wrong yet again. Obviously it was the youth vote wot done it, but I don't envy the people who now have to try and reweight their polls to make them accurate. I do wonder if we could start seeing Labour leads in the polls though. Yougov and Survation got it more or less right by modelling demographics and taking people at their word that they would vote, everyone else based their model on 2015 when we have a dramatically different political climate 2 years on in the light of the brexit vote.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:08
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peanut- posted:I don't usually give a poo poo about exchange rates as any kind of indicator, but I like that the FX markets really didn't react all that much. BBC desperately tried to play a drop in sterling 'to slightly more than at the start of April' as a plummetting crash
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Jun 9, 2017 18:14
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Old tories will increasingly die out and the party has consistently legislated to benefit old people at the expense of the young. It's going to be a very hard sell to win around the generation that just swung this election, especially as they can't rely on cold war indoctrination to scaremonger some votes. Also, I think New Labour's early policy of increasing access to higher education has come to fruition, just not in the way they maybe expected.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:22
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farraday posted:How much turnover was there in the anti-Corbyn elements of the PLP? It's one thing to show your plan for the party will yield results, but other than craven political opportunism, is he going to be spending the time until the next election pushing them uphill or did he expand his support base? Well because there wasn't a Tory rout, Labour only lost 5 sitting MPs, none of whom were significant figures, but there were also a few New Labour types who chose to stand down. As a result, Labour have a good number of new MPs, who were selected and ran on a Corbyn ticket. The remaining anti-Corbyn elements have had to admit they were wrong about his electability and are already making public statements of contrition. e: accidentally used 2015 numbers
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Jun 9, 2017 18:50
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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/04/election-2017-which-labour-mps-are-standing-down Those are the 13 Labour MPs who stood down, only one of those seats was lost by their replacement. There were 5 other Labour losses, and 35 gains, which means Corbyn has 47 (possibly 48 if Kensington goes red) new voices to back him
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Jun 9, 2017 19:04
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qhat posted:If only Angela "I'm standing against Jeremy totally for real" Eagle could've stepped down instead of Andy Burnham. Yeah but now he's King of Manchester, which is pretty nice
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Jun 9, 2017 19:10
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smug n stuff posted:Apologies if it's been asked and answered before, but I'm a dumb american: If I live in NI and want to vote for "the good guys," who would that generally be? The SDLP? SF? SDLP or Alliance imo
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Jun 9, 2017 19:15
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This result has led to the most mentions of Clem Atlee in a long long time, which is a very good thing indeed
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Jun 9, 2017 19:33
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Miftan posted:"Lost their seats and didn't deserve to" Soo.... None of them? She's already asked May, who assured her she can form a government. If enough Tories rebel against doing a deal with the DUP that's in serious jeopardy. The constitution is pretty clear on what happens next, so there's no crisis: Corbyn as leader of the second largest party gets a shot at forming a government, and if he can't either then we have another election.
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Jun 9, 2017 22:49
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Pissflaps posted:What sort of timescale would there be for this? May needs to get her Queen's speech approved when parliament opens, that's on the 19th of this month. She has 9 days to make sure she can get something passed.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:05
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Corbyn doesnt have the numbers to form a left-ish coalition unless he poaches a good number of Tories. Only needs 7 disaffected Tories to switch or 14 to abstain
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Jun 9, 2017 23:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:Well, the Queen didn't ask May to form a government. May's ministry is simply continuing - ministries aren't tied to parliamentary terms. Trouble for them is they don't have anyone else remotely capable of leading the party, that's why May's leader in the first place.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:17
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smug n stuff posted:If anyone is actually curious about Rowling's take on this, her twitter page has exactly zero references to Corbyn, but does have this 14-tweet thread: 'whom I thought smart and funny' or 'who I thought was smart and funny' jeez, she's supposed to be a writer
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Jun 9, 2017 23:20
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dont even fink about it posted:Why then would the DUP even agree to be part of a coalition with the Tories? Just let Corbyn handle Brexit and get a better deal by default. The DUP hate Corbyn with a passion
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Jun 9, 2017 23:22
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Angepain posted:Thanks for this. Maybe someone put this in the OP as it might come up a lot? I think the BBC style guide is to call it "Derry/Londonderry", but then they still call Myanmar Burma, so I dunno
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Jun 9, 2017 23:41
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Sydin posted:This is A Good PostTM There's absolutely no guarantee that the Tories would fare any better in another election, especially as they still don't have any sort of coherent manifesto, because they left it intentionally blank expecting a landslide win. Labour clearly won the ground war, and that was fought under the assumption they would lose seats -- it was damage control. If they allocate resources with today's results in mind they have a good chance of swinging a fair few more seats only lost by tens or hundreds.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:49
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Night10194 posted:Would it be much more the norm for a leader who hosed up as badly as May to resign and avoid putting their party in the difficult position of preparing to replace them? If there weren't brexit negotiations fast approaching May would have resigned today, no doubt about it
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Jun 10, 2017 00:01
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