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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
This poll is closed.
Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
It's a bit silly how much of it is based on convention.

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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

nothing to seehere posted:

3% inflation is, fiiiine, as long as the pound doesn't drop any further we're good, loans will just devalue themselves

Pfft 3% is so loving goddamn low. I'm used to 40% inflation, your Tories have quite a ways to go to gently caress it up that badly, but they've got the talent for it, I'll give you that.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

WeAreTheRomans posted:

how long til he gets a whole government

3.71 football fields and half a Texas

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

forkboy84 posted:

Apologies for linking to The Sun but an interesting article on the Tories cutting one of their major manifesto pledges at the urging of the cabinet because the manifesto was too unpopular. The policy? No, not fox hunting, capping energy prices, one of the few decent proposals they had!

The best bit is this


The fetishisation of the free market is so loving dumb. Look, I'm sorry, I don't want to spend an hour every month on price comparison websites. I have better things I'd rather do after work. Also the idea that the energy market is a free market in any way just beggars belief, it's much like the railways.

"Hmm, people really didn't like our neoliberalist austerity garbage as much as we thought they would....... I KNOW! That's because it wasn't neoliberal ENOUGH!"

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

But what will you spread the jam on? :smuggo:

Other kinds of jam

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
They've replaced half the Queen's Guard with cardboard cutouts, trying to bank on the whole myth of them not being able to move at all.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Don't really see what's so crazy about Sinn Fein being in front of Parliament. I mean, in Argentina you have the Montoneros which were rebel terrorists during the 70s/80s and then became the actual government during the Kirchner mandates.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Regarde Aduck posted:

I'm all for blaming voters for the behaviour of the government but this is a bit far. You can't predict every rule, regulation and law the government will make, follow, ignore or remove. Unless the Tories were voted in with a manifesto of "implement poor fire standards" I think you might be talking poo poo.

At some point, if a voter keeps voting in a party whose line is "reduce expenditure at all costs, destroying social spending and cutting taxes for the benefit of the rich", then at the third or fourth time they keep voting that same poo poo and seeing the same things happen, yeah I'd blame them a bit.

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 16, 2017

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
We really hosed up as a civilization the moment the concept of ownership of land became a thing

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Honest question here, are protests on Parliament's doorstep really that rare here in the UK? Because I'm completely used to pickets and protests and poo poo being commonplace.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

learnincurve posted:

Mass protests/gatherings are illegal here.

Lol I'm sorry but that's so drat ridiculous to me, probably because I've been brought up on an education that kinda hypes the constitutional right to protest

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Josef bugman posted:

150-200 pcm on food of all sorts

drat, I feel like a wasteful gently caress. I'm terrible at budgeting myself on food. Hell I must spend £50/m on fruit alone

communism bitch posted:

Sounds reasonable for a shed in london.

London is pretty crazy and all but you can definitely get a real flat for that amount.

Also, today was a really nice day! 30 degrees and sunny all around. Was great to walk around.

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jun 17, 2017

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Trainchat, eh



(I loving love UK trains)

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
What a loving week. I'm disgusted at the double standards on handling the "mentally ill loner", and on the other hand:

Okay, first day of Brexit negotiations! I'm sure we'll get a great deal for Brit-

quote:

British negotiators have capitulated to key European demands for a phased approach to Brexit talks, agreeing to park discussions on free trade until they have thrashed out the cost of the multibillion-euro UK divorce settlement.

Yeah we sure showed 'em

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
What a world we live in, where an old poor person would have to go to jail to get some measure of care.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/20/eu-citizens-in-britain-to-be-asked-to-register-for-post-brexit-status

This sounds dodgy as gently caress. Register my interest in acquiring documentation allowing me to live and work in the country after 2019?

If it wasn't -this- government maybe I'd believe them

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Taintrunner posted:

In America, we have this breakfast item called "french toast" and with sausage and/or bacon it is the only acceptable breakfast delight. Also the Japanese sushi video posted earlier is very good.

Black pudding, comrade. Britannia rules the waves.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
B-but how can people have THING if they didn't work as hard* as I did for it????

*has never worked in their miserable life

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

JFairfax posted:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/exclusive-dup-broke-talks-tories-36-hours-week-demand-2billion/

The Democratic Unionist Party broke off talks with Theresa May this week as it told her to spend £2billion in Northern Ireland if she wants the party to prop up her minority Conservative Government.

The DUP demanded the cash – which works out as £1,100 per person in the Province - as talks veered dangerously close to breaking down altogether.

The talks became so strained in the past few days that the DUP negotiators in Belfast refused to pick up the phone to the Prime Minister’s team for 36 hours, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Westminster sources said they now hoped a “confidence and supply” deal could be agreed next week, days before Thursday’s key vote on the Queen’s Speech.

The talks have been held together personally by Gavin Williamson, the chief whip, and Damian Green, Mrs May’s right hand man in the Government.

Lol

quote:

A source said: “They stopped answering their phones. It went on for 36 hours. Number 10 is putting in calls and they are not answering their phones.”

Strong and stable coalition of chaos god Tzeench

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
The only valid identity politics are those centered around the identity of the proletariat, comrade

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
As much as I would loving love for this whole Brexit madness to quietly go away, we have to accept reality - it's gonna happen, there's no stopping it at this point. The best possible outcome is a "soft" Brexit where we remain part of the single market (also give passporting to London so the finance industry doesn't up and leave) and we reach an actually reasonable agreement for EU nationals living here - for obvious reasons that is the second most important issue to me, the first being that the economy doesn't get destroyed.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
The only live concert I really want to see is Queen at Wembley 86 whenever they invent time machines

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Darth Walrus posted:

Hammond is making his play:





I see Hammond and Davidson as the only Tory candidates that might have some success in gaining leadership. Tories are incredibly incompetent on average, so it's not like it's a high bar

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

baka kaba posted:

I only saw the article quote someone posted here, but it was actually weasel worded as "boos could be heard at one point" in the 'however' part of the article. So not even untrue, just phrased to imply the complete opposite of what happened. Might as well have put 'there were angry reactions to some things he said'

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
May: "Actually we will make EU nationals living in the UK wear golden stars on their chest and they will get some rights"

EU: "No"

May: "Okay we will let them have the privilege of maybe perhaps being able to accumulate 5 years of residence and become British citizens but <vague mumbling>"

EU: "No"

May: "Okay we will let them sign up for a very streamlined process of the current citizenship one, and they keep almost all rights except voting"

EU: "Close, but no"


Personally, I'm fine with registering but man is May loving vague about the details, and that's loving dangerous in the long term when the hidden catches start appearing.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know

This is loving garbage and I'm fuming. "Temporary permission to stay" until I rack up five years? That pretty much means I won't be able to switch jobs during that interval (and I better not take any long holidays!), and everything about this is so loving uncertain argh! Also, "as streamlined as possible" will probably be just 60 loving goddamn pages instead of 85 or whatever. Definitely will end up having to hire an immigration lawyer and paying thousands in fees, how the gently caress are people on minimum wage supposed to do that? Also this means I will have to apply for temporary permit, then settled status, then British citizenship because lol I don't loving trust them to keep that settled status around forever. loving tories.

This is the general feeling I'm getting from the government:

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jun 27, 2017

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
If only these loving lefties were actually right-wing and didn't care at all about the working class, then they'd surely get elected!

~centrism~

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
While I am a bit disappointed about the whip thing, I also understand that there's just no loving way at this point that we get a Norway-style deal so it doesn't really matter all that much.

Unfortunately that also means we're turbo-hosed

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
I've gone over the problem a lot, and discussed it with people who know about power generation a lot (some from these very forums), and honestly, if we don't go full nuclear and stop burning coal/oil like idiots, we're done as a civilization, it's as simple as that. There's not enough time for a magic fusion silver bullet (that in truth is not 100% a silver bullet, really), or advancing and using renewables in the amount necessary. Right now, we could just go full nuclear and that would solve the problem. Like, if we got our poo poo together as a species, we could do it right this very moment. We don't even need to wait for Liquid Fluorine Thorium Reactors, modern uranium nuclear is more than good enough.

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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

coffeetable posted:

Onshore wind and photovoltaic solar are already at grid parity in huge chunks of the world. Solar in particular has come out of loving nowhere:





As much as I love nuclear, the future is solar. Yeah yeah base load, storage issues, etc etc - these are things that need fixing to replace all fossil fuels with renewables, but they're not roadblocks until renewables constitute a much higher fraction of a grid's production than they currently do.

The future would indeed be solar, but for that you need a future in the first place and if we don't go nuclear first, there's not going to be a solar-power future.

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