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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

congratulations on your conservative and liberal democrat coalition government

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Kaislioc posted:

If you mean 2015 the last exit pill didn't predict a hung parliament. That was the polls. In fact, the exit poll was the first main sign we were getting a Tory majority.

the 2015 exit poll had the cons at 316, short of a majority of 323 (or 326)

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

Does anyone know what the Exit Poll predicted seatwise last time? I know it seat Tory biggest party, but how big?

last time was tory 316 labour 239
actual result was tory 330 labour 232

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Harrow posted:

Is it realistic that Labour can form a coalition government, given these results? I want to know if I should keep cheering for the UK to pull out of the right-wing nosedive or if this is just more of a slowing of the nosedive

not really

labour would need the support of the SNP, LibDems, Plaid Cymru, Greens, and a smattering of Irish parties. That's not a coalition that can hold together.

looks like Con+LibDems again

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

JosefStalinator posted:

any good sites for streaming video and also election results (like the NYT ones for the USA)

bbc is usually pretty good

but results are going to come very slowly - each seat's result is reported all at once, and it'll probably be like 4-6 hours until the bulk is in

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

maybe, after neither the conservatives or corbyn are able to secure the confidence of the house, the labour right and tories will turn to a figures from outside parliament........................... tony

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

axeil posted:

:laffo:

Oh my god, that's hilarious. Aren't the PM's cabinet supposed to be in fairly safe seats?

nah, it's fairly routine for cabinet members to be defeated

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

communism bitch posted:

Because they did it once before and annihilated their own base.

Did Farron ever end up ruling out supporting the Tories

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Rakosi posted:

Lib Dems ruling out any coalition in no uncertain terms on the Sky news broadcast.

Did they rule out any sort of accord, or just specifically a coalition?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

wocobob posted:

Could someone give a quick primer on the "Sinn Fein taking seats" thing to the Americans in the thread? I get the impression they're an Irish party, but I don't know much else about them. Do they have seats in parliament that they don't occupy out of protest or something?

Exactly.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

African AIDS cum posted:

Exit polls were very wrong re: Trump. And America is actually decent at polling.

Exit polls also consistently overestimated Bernie by quite a lot. If there's a difference in willingness to speak to pollsters that's out of line with previous elections (maybe because Labour voters are younger or more enthusiastic than they've been in the past), it's possible that this could go wrong.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

African AIDS cum posted:

I think the whole concept of exit polls is just done here now. The media needs to give it up

Eh, getting the results +/- 15 seats isn't bad. They should just be reported as ranges, as numbers that have uncertainty, instead of point estimates.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

BBC just updated its forecast to 322, two short of majority.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

SF is one course for 7 seats so thats a majority

oh yikes

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Xaerael posted:

Tory forecast withering away. :laugh:

gaining eight seats since the exit poll is the opposite of withering away

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

snp so useless they're losing seats to the libdems

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

baka kaba posted:

Mmmf yes

How many are the DUP projected to get?

BBC says 9
(which is also the number already declared)

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Namtab posted:

I see the tweets here but I wanted to go and tell her to stick to kids books and not political hot takes.

she might be using a blocklist - where she automatically blocks everybody that follows certain people

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Reveilled posted:

Westminister handles both policy for the whole of the UK and things specific to England, e.g. the English National Health Service. In principle based on English Votes for English Laws (a policy introduced by the Conservatives in the last parliament), Scottish MPs are not supposed to get a vote on English matters. If the Tory majority relies of Scottish Tories, look up in your idiom dictionary "Hoised by one's own petard".

the tory majority doesn't "rely" on scottish tories once scotland is out of the picture. they'll still have an easy majority of english seats.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

hakimashou posted:

Lol the Home Secretary kept demanding recounts until she 'won.'

Nothing to see there.

Is there actually a credible source saying that she asked for multiple recounts, or just twitter jokes? During her victory speech she thanked the poll workers for having counted all the votes twice.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

LemonyTang posted:

^^ My point is Brexit is done m8. Finished.

Pro-Brexit parties received over 85% of the vote though :confused:

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Zenithe posted:

Could SF potentially turn up for lols and/or spite, or is their hard stance on telling England to gently caress themselves too strong?

zero percent chance

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

When was the last hung Parliament

2010

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

SteelMentor posted:

Wait, what the gently caress happened. I wake up and everyone told me May got hung.

Is Jezza in with a chance?

no

it's looking like either tory+dup or new election

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

ewe2 posted:

Why not Tory+LD then? They have more seats.

LibDems have said no coalition or deals (with anyone).

https://twitter.com/LibDemPress/status/872935171414249473

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Mr. Nemo posted:

What would happen if no parties agreed on a coalition? The previous PM continues without getting anything done or...?


Congrats UK goons! You did it!!!!

new election

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

MrL_JaKiri posted:

The Tories pushed for a hard brexit but will be forced to govern alongside at least one group (either DUP or Lib Dems) who want a soft one at most. Hard brexit's probably off the table now.

Or, alternatively, the parties are going to fumble around trying to form government for a month, fail, and call another election, so 3-4 months of the 24 month article 50 window get eaten up with nobody having a mandate to negotiate.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

icantfindaname posted:

so wait may/her tory replacement is going to stay PM with a minority of seats?

why not labour-snp-lib dem?

Lab+SNP+LibDems+PC+Green is well short of a majority.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

icantfindaname posted:

What are the remaining seats if neither DUP/tory or the left parties have a majority? Sinn Fein abstentionists? Independents?

Tory+DUP do have a bare majority, but one that wouldn't survive any amount of dissenters.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

Why did this happen? Is it similar to gerrymandering in the USA?

Nah, just geographic dispersion of votes. The UK doesn't really have partisan gerrymandering. SNP only ran in 59 scottish seats seats, greens in just over 600.

SNP got 977,569 votes, so an average of about 16.5k per riding they ran in
Greens got 523,259 votes, so an average of about 900 per riding they ran in.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

squirrelzipper posted:

What is the norm for no confidence in the UK parliament?

Since the Fixed-term Parliaments Act of 2011, it's law, not norm.

When a motion saying that the house does not have confidence in the government passes, that starts a 14 day countdown. If a new government is formed (by the opposition or by the same party) during those 14 days, that government must be confirmed by a positive confidence motion from the majority of parliament. If nobody can pass a confidence motion within 14 days, parliament is dissolved and new elections are held.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Xaerael posted:

I don't think I could take BoJo losing his seat. I've been up 24 hrs following this shitfest, BoJo not being able to shoehorn himself into a leader candidacy due to being ousted by the opposition would make me laugh myself into a coma.

Lucky for you, BoJo's seat had its results announced five hours ago.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

JFairfax posted:

the DUP support isn't a guaranteed

Sure, but any Labour government will need the DUP to vote for a motion “That this House has confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.”. How does Corbyn get the DUP's support?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Yes, I know that (I spent an unbelievable amount of time explaining this in 2010).

I'm talking about the fact that in actual constitutional terms May didn't go to the Queen and say that - the Queen, on advice of the Privy Council, asked May to form a government. It is then up to Parliament to ratify that government the debate and vote on the speech. I don't know if it's within the Prerogative for the Queen to ask someone else to form a government once she's asked someone without Parliament's approval, and I was wondering if anyone else did.

Well, the Queen didn't ask May to form a government. May's ministry is simply continuing - ministries aren't tied to parliamentary terms.

And no there's no reason the Tories couldn't sack May and have whoever wins their leadership election be asked to form government.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Tsaedje posted:

Trouble for them is they don't have anyone else remotely capable of leading the party, that's why May's leader in the first place.

I mean, there's no rule that the PM has to be an MP. The Tories could beg Ruth to take the job and have her take them to a new election, something like that.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

jabby posted:

Don't you have to be either an MP or a Lord to be in government though? Like how could Davidson come to the commons if she wasn't an MP?

Well, the PM doesn't have to come to the Commons, it's just a very strong norm that they do. This would be a scenario where Davidson would sit as PM for like a week or two before a new election is called, though, so it wouldn't really stretch convention.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

smug n stuff posted:

Supposing there were another election, when would that be? Would there be time for more campaigning, or would it just go straight to a vote?

There'd be a ~5 week long campaign, and it would probably be clear for a week or two before the actual campaign that the election is happening.

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

ultrabindu posted:

So in the history of political self owns where does this rank?

Well, this was a provincial election in Canada, but probably less of a self-own than Alberta 2015.

Alberta has historically been a very right-wing province and for the last several years the competition had been between a mainstream tory party and a far-right bunch of hicks. There were scandals, a new tory premier came in from outside Parliament, and he managed to convince most of the hicks to join his party.

He called a snap election right after that, and hosed it up so much that the social democratic party, which had 4/87 seats before the election, won a majority. The tories came in third, behind was remained of the hick party. This was the first provincial election the tories had lost since 1967.

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