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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Snap election primer in 87 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpSIzx0Ta0Y

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:03

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 19:55

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Guy Goodbody posted:

I'm not from England, I don't know how things work over there, but why are Lib Dems in this election? Weren't they completely destroyed last time you guys decided to have an election? How are they still claiming to be a political party?

They think the only way is up.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:10

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Angepain posted:

there are nonsectarian parties in Northern Ireland? I thought that was against the law or something

Alliance, kinda, and PBPA, whose holy book is Gramsci's Prison Notebooks.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:14

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Guavanaut posted:

You normally have to declare as republican or unionist but there is an 'other' option for parties like Alliance. I'm pretty sure it's one of Mao's types of liberalism.

PBPA for example fought hard to register as Socialist

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:17

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

TheRat posted:

http://www.dagbladet.no/ - One of the largest papers in Norway. You may not understand what it says but I'm sure you can catch the main message

I actually don't due to moon language prepositions, can you fill us in?

(big Khaoskoalijsioner here)

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:29

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

tak, tack, or indeed takk

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:31

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Carlosologist posted:

so, if Labour wins the election will they follow through on Brexit? hold another referendum?

it's gonna be a massive follow through down the trouser leg of british politics for years to come

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:33

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

Limiting access to some NHS services by some foreign nationals I don't think is a bad idea...if you have for example tourists having a non-emergency visit they should have to pay something. 20-30 dollars. But don't just give them service for free.

They already pay, we have EHIC for member states of that agreement and charge non-EHIC foreigners for healthcare after it's said and done. Sometimes the UK doesn't get the money back from people who bolt after being treated. That's always going to be the case.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 00:41

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Macarius Wrench posted:

Serious question: why are such a high proportion of SA users Labour voters?

Meme magic.

Mugsbaloney posted:

Yeah the nuclear stuff really winds me up. I think they've improved (I'd vote for them if I could, <3 harvie), but there's a reason David Icke did so well back in the day- however given that austerity became the accepted standard economic template it seems unfair to single them out as a party that lacks intellectual rigour.

If the nuclear industry wasn't addicted to lying I'd be more sympathetic to their plight.

As it is I basically agree with the Greens on that but can't really be arsed with driving slower and being northern rather than from Brighton find managed decline a depressing reality rather than an opportunity to transform the way we live for the better.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 08:24

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Dzhay posted:

I assume the demographics at work here are more than just age; there's no-where near as much of a hate-on for the Lib-Dems among people my age I know IRL.

There is a brokebrained marxist streak in many of this thread's posters that is only partly reflective of the public as a whole, and their vitriol makes people who aren't on at least the sorta-left not want to post, imo.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 08:33

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Goa Tse-tung posted:

*correctbrained

By and large I agree with the thread on most stuff and know my way around the marxist canon, y'know. But we have to be ~real~ about the reasons the thread is way, way to the left of wider Britpinion.

Flatscan posted:

Does the polling still show Tom Watson as likely to lose his seat? That was the only mono-molecular silver lining to the whole Tory landslide predictions.

please god yes

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 09:24

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

El Grillo posted:

Yeah this is why unfortunately I think we're hosed, because as far as I've heard most of that UKIP vote has been directly swallowed up by the Tories (hence their large national vote share)? Which means on a constituency-by-constituency basis, if they do turn out to vote, we are screwed in a lot of these seats. Anyone care to disabuse me of the UKIP vote - to - Tories thesis? I would very much like it to not be the case.

UKIP voters are the floatingest voters and can be won by anyone with a vision that's better than "what we have now but amplified by 5 more years of it happening".

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 09:26

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

themrguy posted:

Do people care who the economist endorses?

Not in the UK, no. We're immune to it.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 12:05

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

It's an article made up of platitudes because nobody has any idea what will happen after the UK leaves the EU, hth.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 12:11

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

thank you Gideon for absolutely despising May lol

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 12:39

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

spectralent posted:

We don't do experts.

(Surveys generally suggest people would like to hear from experts but don't know who the experts are. Given the press will never tell them honestly, functionally, the british public don't like experts)

The writers of The Economist aren't experts, they're gobshites.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 12:46

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

peanut- posted:

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/870248643869200384

So are we not doing it now or what

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 13:45

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Anidav posted:

So should I bet money on a Labor minority?

Burn it instead, that way you won't enrich a bookie.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 13:58

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

[tiny brain] actually, dubstep

[medium ish brain] I like the stormzy man

[large ish brain] skepta vs devilman is grime's corbyn/may

[transcendent brain] everything made after the conflict dvd with dizzee/crazy titch is pop music

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 15:50

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Entropy238 posted:

I feel like clear evidence of Russian interference/a conspiracy could be a pretty bona fides reason to have the Brexit vote cast aside or done again.

lmao gently caress no

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 16:07

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

*in extremely hillaryman voice* uh this looks like foreign interference to me unlike nigel farage getting picked up by the FBI on a warrant that's entirely about US domestic politics

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 16:29

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Article 50 cannot be untriggered as written.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 16:37

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Regarde Aduck posted:

If even 10% of this stuff is true, what were our intelligence services doing? Can anyone just engineer votes now as long as you have the cash? With all the wiretapping and other dodgy poo poo GCHQ does why did it take this long for someone to go "Hmmm Farage eh, really wants us out of the EU and Russia loves him. Do you think, bare with me, there is a conflict on interest here?".

Was the Remain campaign a conflict of interest for MPs with business interests or pressure exerted upon them by EU states? Is it possible to have thoughts that, if your brain is focused on Russia enough, are not some part of their hypothetical matryoshka doll of intrugue if you imagine they might be backing both pro and anti-EU organisations to cause chaos^2?

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 20:08

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

drink a herbal infusion to hydrate without overcaffeinating imo

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 20:50

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

*in 70s authoritarian voice* We must have a NASHNAL EMARGENCY GOVERMUNT to stop the SCARJ of pop-u-lism.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 22:34

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

[nodding home countiesishly] yes now there was a figure of strength and stability

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 22:35

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Guavanaut posted:

The military dictatorship thing does have some appeal, in that last time around it led shortly after to a bourgeois revolution and the penning of an actual written bill of rights.

I don't think a guy turning up on a boat and saying only prods can have guns is a very good revolution.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 22:50

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Sapozhnik posted:

If I'm going to dare to hope then the British do have a soft spot for plucky underdogs who surge back at the 11th hour against incredible odds. At least when it comes to sport they do. So maybe that will give Labour the push they need over the finish line. And I mean May's campaign has really been making an incredible pig's ear of things, which just depresses me because she's still the most likely to win.

Still, Labour winning with a razor thin majority would be an utterly poo poo place to be for the country. Yes we're likely to see a lot more sense in the Brexit negotiations on account of Brexit's unique power to burn the with something vaguely approaching the same intensity as it will burn the working man, but the government's working majority is going to be held to ransom on matters of domestic policy by red tory cunts every step of the way, which is going to absolutely shatter all the youthful energy behind the movement that we're currently building up. We'd end up with a British Obama administration.

If Labour gets a razor thin majority I think there will be a honeymoon period where some good legislation is passed because the party's been out of government for nearly a decade, after that, who knows. I don't think it's very likely even though it would be nice.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 23:52

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

how did people describe overly disciplinarian campsites before mein kampf(sites)

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 01:45

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

history may never know

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 01:45

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Does Diane Abbott not count as an establishment PLP big hitter?

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 01:58

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Ah but since this is 9 dimensional chess they're only pretending to help the tories now by appearing to gently caress Labour when they know that if they win a majority it will be the Tories that get blamed for Brexit.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 09:26

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

mehall posted:

The Tories have already been pushing "Coalition of Chaos" from the moment the election started.
Sturgeon putting it back in the papers for them isn't great, but I don't think it'll impact too badly this time, momentum is against the Tories. It's going to take a bigger move than an already existing talking point, to get them more than stabilised.

Never underestimate southerners' weird hate for The Jock.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 10:13

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

multijoe posted:

The title of the article if 'Nicola Sturgeon Says The SNP Would Help Jeremy Corbyn Become Prime Minister' but in the article itself she rules out the only course of action that could allow him to do if he otherwise couldn't (form a parliamentary majority through a formal coalition). Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition if the need and opportunity presented itself, it's still really scummy to outright misquote her imply she'd take a course of action she actually ruled out in that interview.

From the article:

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Friday, Sturgeon said she'd expect "all sorts of talks" between her and Corbyn in the event of a hung parliament and predicted Scotland would end up being be "pivotal" in the outcome of the election.

"I've said very clearly, I said this many times during the 2015 election, that if there was to be a hung parliament � if the parliamentary arithmetic allowed it � then I would want the SNP to be part of a progressive alternative to a Conservative government," said the first minister.

If that's not saying "we will decide the outcome for the country in case of no overall control in England", I don't know what is, whether she has a very loving ~nuanced~ opinion about coalitions or not.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 10:23

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Gort posted:

One thing that really bugs me is humanity's fetishisation of animals that are really crap at living in the world we've made, and our all-out hatred of the ones that are really good at it. People hate raccoons, rats and grey squirrels, but they idolise pandas and red squirrels.

I get wanting to preserve biodiversity, but going on bloody massacres against the animals that are actually able to make it on their own is insane.

Hey now, human civilisations are judged best by how much they take care of those who can't take care of themselves.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 10:29

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

multijoe posted:

If only she's elaborated on what that could be ...

Wow what a gamechanging piece of nuance given she ran a minority government before and it's been done in the UK under Labour in the past too.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 10:31

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Guavanaut posted:

What was the origin for that term?

The good old days when a priest would quietly smother people who were dying after giving them a "private confession".

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 11:27

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

doch

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 12:00

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Kurtofan posted:

When's the election???

Coming Thursday.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 12:03

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 19:55

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Kurtofan posted:

why did may call the election lol

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-04-15/only-45-of-labour-voters-back-jeremy-corbyn-as-the-best-leader-for-the-uk-poll-finds/

This was less than a week before she called the election and then hosed everything up extremely badly

# ¿ Jun 2, 2017 12:08

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