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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Vitamin P
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Paperhouse posted:

Still watching the debate - Caroline Lucas is great, isn't she :swoon: Leanne Wood is also good. Whoever the SNP bloke is has come across pretty well too, and Farron has actually seemed alright as well. Nuttall and Rudd utter poo poo

On reflection Farrons Cheeky Chappy routine was significantly more embarrassing than Mays no-show.

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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

So based on the Yougov projections the Tories will not take a majority correct?

Yeah but it's probably nonsense.

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

In that case is it hung? Or what percentage do you need to hold to hold power?

You need 326 of the 650 MPs to be with you. If no single party has that many it's a hung parliament, meaning either another election is held or two or more parties form a coalition, combining their MPs to have 326 or higher. There's not really a lot of rules for how a coalition government works.

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

Can parties make coalitions? Would the rest of the left be willing to form a coalition with Labour or is their only hope come from winning a majority outright?

Yes in theory.

In some ways the best possible outcome would be for the Lib Dems to prop up another party in exchange for a referendum on the final terms of brexit, as that's the only way it's even remotely feasible we get one, even if that's the most wishful of wishful thinking.

Vitamin P
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That lady is an absolute geezer but jesus christ Corbyn just threw the election.

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Snipee posted:

Can you guys link to this crazy nuclear weapons thing? What happened?

He wouldn't just say "I would do everything necessary to protect our people" and instead twisted in the wind about 'no first strikes' and didn't shut the gently caress up. He looked really dishonest and completely supported the whole 'nutty dangerous corbyn' attack. Hope is legit dead now it was loving terrible.

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forkboy84 posted:

He looked dishonest by not giving into the audience's bloodlust for hypothetical revenge?

He looked dishonest because he wasn't giving an honest answer. He wouldn't use retaliatory nukes, that's obvious, but he was finding every and any other method of saying that without outright saying it.

It was loving moronic and he's just given the tories and blairites everything.

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Mr. Flunchy posted:

Felt he acquitted himself pretty well tbh, especially considering there is literally no good answer to the nukes question.

He was doing fantastically up until the nukes question and then he threw it.

And there really is a good answer "I will put the safety and security of the british people before everything else".

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If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

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El Grillo posted:

With the nuclear thing, isn't the obvious answer to literally just point out that if we got to that stage we'd all be dead anyway, so the only relevant thing to discuss is how not to get to that point...
Maybe that wouldn't go down so well though lol. Then again from the guardian feed it looks like there were a bunch of the audience pretty keen on nuclear holocaust

Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan.

The thing people aren't realising is how much of a get-out against voting for him Corbyn just served up. All those people possibly considering Labour because their kids are eloquently arguing for him? loving lost, because 'got to keep my family safe, they'll understand one day' just overwrote housing, living standards, secure employment and every other, actually relevant, issue that their children will have to face.

100% truth here, late afternoon today I went out with my dad and my dog to a corner where local Labour people met us and we went canvassing for a few hours and I feel like a mug for doing it if Corbs is going to throw the loving election like that. How dare he take the position of the one person who can stop May and pull that shite.

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OwlFancier posted:

Mm, I'm irritated at the lost opportunity to show some actually important policies but hopefully that can be regained later on, a lost opportunity is better than an actively harmful one.

If you don't see how that display was actively harmful then lol

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jabby posted:

Am I disappointed he didn't answer it better? Sure, but I also know there's no way on Earth I could go up against an audience that hostile on national TV and not have a full-on breakdown, so I'm willing to cut him a little bit of slack. Personally I thought after the Trident section he could easily have gone to pieces, but he pulled it back rather well.

The audience wasn't hostile until he hosed up. The first half he was absolutely fantastic .

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OwlFancier posted:

I have a suspicion that people obsessed with nuking other countries and not satisfied with an unwillingness to do so might be hostile to noted nuke-averse Jeremy Corbyn.

For the first half he was eloquent, passionate and on a whole other level than May in terms of the depth, specificity and nuance of his answers. Even if someone was hostile they weren't able to express it because he had the room onside and the questions were flowing so smoothly.

Then he hosed it up.

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OwlFancier posted:

I did say I would prefer him to categorically and bluntly state that he wouldn't nuke anybody but I suspect you wouldn't be any happier with that answer :v:

I think we should have nukes and that our leaders should posture that they'll use them but actually write 'let france or some other ally decide' on that little letter/not make a retaliatory strike but honestly your answer there would have been better. At least then he could have moved on instead of wittering dishonestly on for 5 minutes getting visibly pissed off with the audience and poisoning the rest of the debate.

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Entropy238 posted:

When I feel strongly about a candidate (e.g. Corbyn) the wins feel great but there's always the temptation to wallow and doomsay when they slip up a bit.

TBH I shouldn't have tried to quit smoking at an election cause I just had a cheeky one in the garden and have absolutely been doing this.

namesake posted:

Isn't that actually worse? Not just refusing to make a decision but passing it off onto someone else?

It's the ambiguity of it that I think is important. Outright saying you won't ever use one means it doesn't work for MAD anymore.

Liu posted:

i think it's just because media has such a right wing slant that you kinda have to play it perfectly while may and tory scum can pretty much just do whatever and have excuses made for them.

Mr. Flunchy posted:

It's not really Corbz' responses that're getting me down, just realising/remembering that these selfish, bloodthirsty morons are everywhere.

This is what made me so angry. It's the combination of how May could just not say anything and it's fine, the right-wing press and their power, the braying jackals in the audience, my perception of how much tougher Dimbleby seemed to be on Corbs than May and the unforced error over something so irrelevant as the nukes spoiling what was looking like an amazing display from Corbyn.

Vitamin P
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Do people normally troll Daily Mail comments? Out of morbid curiosity I scrolled down after reading their version of events and, like

Vitamin P
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Went canvassing again today, there were loads more us than anticipated so I volunteered to go with some vets into more tory-ish areas and jesus christ.

Highlight was an old man calling me a nazi when he saw the Labour sticker.

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Flayer posted:

I live in London and so do my family. My sister was locked down during the Westminster attack and earlier this evening my girlfriend and I passed through London Bridge. We often shop in Borough Market, we've eaten in Brindisa, we've been to Katzenjammer. There is a very real possibility that people I know and love could be the victims of Islamic terror. You're a disgusting individual telling us that we are we are more of a danger to ourselves than these monsters are.

Calm down, statistically you a member of the british public are more likely to be self-harmed by mental health issues than harmed by terrorism, not to mention that there's mental health issues overlap with lots of the people that commit these mass murders.

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Jose posted:

christ we need PR so the election isn't decided by gently caress all places

Yeah it's insane at this point.

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Pissflaps posted:

What did he do to destroy it?

The largest demonstration and activist movement in british history being completely ignored probably made people a lot more cynical.

Vitamin P
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Today my canvassing lot are being accompanied by Vice and it's put me off going a bit.

Their hip cool get out the youth vote thing would not be helped by my gormless mug being in the background.

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Mr. Flunchy posted:

Now got Thurs off work. Is there US style get people out to vote schemes in this country? Feel like I want to be haranguing people into the booth. Young people anyway.

There absolutely is and it's the the most important day to get volunteers out there. Talk to your local Labour group.

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Nice piece of fish posted:

Is there seriously grassroots enthusiasm for the Corb?

Has there ever not been grassroots enthusiasm for Corbs?

But yeah there is. We had over 30 people turn up for canvassing yesterday, expected about 6.

Vitamin P
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Done a democracy, gave the old lady across the road a lift so she could vote red too! If anyones curious it was the combo of our local tory MP voting against gay rights and May cutting police numbers that swung her, and I like to think my badgering helped too.

Now I'm staring at 90 boring PDFs that need amending before I gently caress off for the afternoon to Get Out The Vote. I'm feeling the hope and it's terrible.

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Guys remember if a tory activist comes and talks to you today, take up their time. It's satisfying to tell them to shove it up they arse, and if you're in a rush go for it, but better is to be like

"oh look at that! the family are just on whatsapp now, we're deciding who to vote for, it's a bit confusing this election, do you want a cup of tea?"

Keep them there for as long as possible, play dumb, then at the end tell them you're definitely going to vote tory to mess up their numbers.

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AttitudeAdjuster posted:

So I registered 10 days before the deadline but never received a polling card.

Hope I'm still able to vote as for the first time ever I'm living in a constituency that has a faint chance of swinging to the Labour party.

You can vote without a polling card, and don't need ID either but it can't hurt to bring one.

The issue is that if you never got your card, you won't know which polling station you are registered at. Go here https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/ and enter your postcode to find that out.

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Just told my boss he can send me more CAD files if he wants but I won't be doing them today lol

gently caress it doing another hour then I'm off. Gonna drive some youfs to some poll stations.

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Pissflaps posted:

Twitter is chock full of stories of young people who think they registered to vote but don't have a polling card and aren't on the list at the polling station.

My polling card never turned up. I think it's a thing that's happening.

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Guys we're in for a rough night tonight but don't forget, this hegemony won't last forever and we can build a better britain one day. Keep the faith.

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What the actual gently caress

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Assumed wisdom of the PLP and guardian liberals just got rekt

The left is back in UK political life. This is fantastic!

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Irony Be My Shield posted:

This is bad for Corbyn.

Vitamin P
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Okay so assuming no coalitions are viable, that's good right?

Another go round, the more people see of Corbyn the more they like him, PLP rally and help out some now the unelectable stuff is garbage, youth get another chance to register.

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Hoops posted:

I can not believe how badly May has done. She was supposed to get a 100 seat majority.

It's not just how badly May did, people up and down the country have been working our arses off pounding pavements and getting people to the polls. So much work by so many people, the idea that it could have actually beaten the millionaire donors and propaganda press, it's fantastic.

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If Bambos takes out Burrows in Enfield Southgate I might cry.

He had a 3-4000 strong win last go round, almost always been Tory, and my dad and I have been out campaigning there. If we've done it that will be so, so fantastic.

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Tigey posted:

Same - poor old Bambos has been trying to get in for a good few years now.

What part of town did your dad cover? Might have met him on the doorstep!

We've been going where they've sent us so all around really, this afternoon we both did Arnos Grove, then I did lifts for people that needed help getting to the polling station so all over and he did Arnos Grove tube scooping up the people coming home from work.

Apparently there were 300 activists working out of that little house today, incredible stuff.

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Pissflaps posted:

HAHAHAHAH tasmina ahmed sheikh has gone get the gently caress in you loving opportunist arseipe

Tipsy Pissflaps is infinitely preferable.

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GET hosed CLEGG AHAHAHAHA

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JosefStalinator posted:

oh my god i need a gif of Nick Clegg looking with tears in his eyes down as the chyron flashes NICK CLEGG LOSES SEAT

Vitamin P
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Did Nick Clegg just say that he lived by the sword?

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I'm a dumb american but the impression I have is that Boris is a smart Trump.

He's low animal cunning more than smart.

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Went to bed at about half 4, wake up to this glorious little fillipup



On your way Burrows. Homophobic little prick that he was.

Wonderful morning comrades.

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