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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

I wanted to do that survey thing to get the pie chart but it told me it would take 28 minutes so I didn't.

same

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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with endorsements like these, who needs enemies?
https://www.ft.com/content/67949e4a-45e2-11e7-8d27-59b4dd6296b8

quote:

Far from being strong and stable, Mrs May has looked curiously brittle. She has failed to offer a credible picture of what life outside the EU’s single market and customs union will look like, let alone the economic trade-offs that will inevitably form part of the Brexit end-game. The opposition Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership has been equally vague. Both sides have engaged in a conspiracy of silence.

This is deeply unsatisfactory. Britain’s departure from the EU is happening at a time of great geopolitical uncertainty. The western alliance is eroding due to US President Donald Trump’s erratic foreign policy, combined with a legacy of European fecklessness. Paradoxically, Brexit and Mr Trump may be propelling greater unity within the EU, especially after Emmanuel Macron’s win in the French presidential election. A more solid European front built on a renewed Franco-German alliance is not necessarily good news for the UK.

In these circumstances, it is a sad indictment on the state of Britain that neither of the main party leaders is particularly impressive. The Financial Times has no fixed party allegiances. This publication stands for a liberal agenda: a small state, free trade, free markets and social justice. Neither Mrs May nor Mr Corbyn stands four-square behind these principles. Neither has offered tax and spending plans that are credible, given the short-term risks facing the economy.

Mrs May recognises the inequalities that need addressing in Britain and the divisions that need healing. But the Conservative manifesto is an amalgam of the sublime (“the great meritocracy”) and the ill-judged or badly presented (plans for social care reform). Proposed interventions on energy and telecommunications markets and worker representatives on boards mirror the market meddling of Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader. The manifesto is overloaded with legislative commitments that cannot possibly be fulfilled in the next parliament, given the preponderance of Brexit.

Most concerning is the renewed Tory commitment to reduce net migration to the “tens of thousands”. If fulfilled, this would damage the UK’s flexible labour market and harm economic growth. It is hard to reconcile the pledge with Mrs May’s promise of an outward-facing “Global Britain”. The pitch was intended to appeal to stray UK Independence party voters but it is best described as “open for business, closed for foreigners”.

Yet the alternative to Mrs May is worse. Mr Corbyn is [blah blah blah]

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

The military dictatorship thing does have some appeal, in that last time around it led shortly after to a bourgeois revolution and the penning of an actual written bill of rights.

Maybe this time around it'll be constitutional socialism under Supreme Comrade Skinner.

Plus we might get to be clubmen. Although most of those got killed.

I can think of a number of issues with Skinner leading a pro-remain military dictatorship

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

I didn't say pro-remain.
Lord_Adonis brought up the military coup in the first place and it was explicitly pro-Remain. sorry i didn't realise your version was supposed to be even loopier.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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multijoe posted:

The title of the article if 'Nicola Sturgeon Says The SNP Would Help Jeremy Corbyn Become Prime Minister' but in the article itself she rules out the only course of action that could allow him to do if he otherwise couldn't (form a parliamentary majority through a formal coalition). Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition if the need and opportunity presented itself, it's still really scummy to outright misquote her imply she'd take a course of action she actually ruled out in that interview.

that's not true. the SNP can vote for a minority Corbyn government's Queen's speech, budget, etc without entering a formal coalition.
Sturgeon has experience of this sort of confidence and supply arrangement from the first SNP minority government in Holyrood.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

The idea is that Adonis' pro-remain military coup goes down about as well as you'd expect in England, there's a popular uprising, a handful of small skirmishes, and Supreme Comrade Skinner takes over the collapsed government and brings about socialism in one country.

It's about as likely as a pro-remain coup in the first place.
military coup in the UK and the possibility of socialism in one country are both very unlikely, but if I were a betting man I'd say the former wins

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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ronya posted:

if Corbyn has cabinet seats to hand out rather than shad cab seats, I think he'd quickly have all the careerists on board
Plenty of career politicians in the shadow cabinet already
Corbyn, Abbot, McDonnell, Watson, Ashworth,

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Tesseraction posted:

There's a difference between a person whose been in politics as a career and people who are in politics for a career. Your list conflates the two.

what is the difference?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Regarde Aduck posted:

The vote invalidation part of this law opens it up to abuse. What a dumb addition. Just fine the people that hosed up. Votes are sacred and it should take a lot more to invalidate them.

how is it open to abuse? no-one other than the idiot in the voting booth take a photo of a ballot paper, so it's only ever your own ballot you could be invalidating. no way for anyone to invalidate anyone else's

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pochoclo posted:

Depends. Are ballot IDs unpredictable, or are they just sequential numbers? Because if it's the latter, then someone with enough money to invest could print exact replicas of ballots and use thousands of russian bot twitter accounts to invalidate a lot of votes in a constituency.

just a thought but someone at the EC might notice that the crosses are in the wrong boxes and drawn differently.
or get a little suspicious when thousands of people are claiming that the bot accounts aren't theirs

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pochoclo posted:

This assumes that the government is going to painstakingly match each and every physical ballot (which they have to find in a huge pile of paper) with the pictures and compare them. I don't know if I trust them that much.

At the very least, it would cause a lot of noise.

Also, again, this is only if the ballot IDs are sequential, which would be immensely stupid. They're probably some kind of cryptographically generated hash, which makes this whole thing moot.

hash of what? you're given the first ballot paper off the top of the pad. not one waiting for you specifically.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pochoclo posted:

Because any idiot would be able to know all voter IDs in a constituency if they are sequential. Sure, they might not be able to do jack-poo poo with that information, but why even risk it, when there's a perfect viable alternative that doesn't need more resources or effort?

I mean, I'm sorry if I come across as excessive or whatever, I just was involved in the development of very secure software before and this is like a cardinal sin to me.


A random hash, man, come on, this is not that hard. Instead of

1
2
3

you get
f98jda89fha798989
f98uufjds98fjsd98
g9f8dh89878

oh i think i see what you've misunderstood
these numbers are not *voter* IDs, there are ballot paper IDs. which ballot ID is linked to which voter is effectively random unless you have a conspiracy to control who turns up in what order and when.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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if it's good enough for ikea

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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At the Lycee Français waiting for the bf to vote. Never seen armed cops guarding a school before

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

You're talking about vigilante mobs, right?

I think they prefer to be called superheroes

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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peanut- posted:

The most depressing thing is that I bet the Tories themselves are polling the poo poo out of those marginals and know exactly how their campaign is working there.

So are Labour though

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Noxville posted:

https://twitter.com/polcommentuk/status/871687761023074304

ITV news political editor not quite understanding politics. Pretending to be dense to make a point or literally thinking the country has been rudderless for the past two months?

Or making the point that she has actually resigned as PM. Yes she's sill in post but only because she's serving a notice period until the new PM is appointed.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Raeg posted:

It'a a dumb twitter semantics thing, could also be a call to step down as party leader.
she will do if they don't get the most seats on Thursday night

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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I've a bottle of champagne in the fridge ready for Friday breakfast time. just in case.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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forkboy84 posted:

Who'd you have to replace her? Best odds you can get on Boris, the bookies favourite, is 6/1. Amber Rudd the 2nd favourite, then Philip Hammond. Not sure Rudd would stand much chance in the light of the past few days though.

no idea. it seems so unlikely that we'll be in that position that you might as well pick an outside wildcard.
David Cameron why not

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Got toopen the postal votes early to get started in rubbing out the pencil marks

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Extreme0 posted:

If you want too.


I doubt there is anything to combat this aside from not buying their papers but good luck telling the locals not too.

unfortunately they give that one away as a freebie at the local tube stations

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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oxford_town posted:

no they don't, it even says 95p on the image quoted

yes they do. come visit some time and i'll show you

e: you could buy one in waitrose if you're too posh to use the tube i guess

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

Out of interest, does Corbyn support PR?


He hasn't in the past, or ever publicly u-turned on that. But I bet you knew that when you asked

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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learnincurve posted:

I don't have a television licence. A Man turned up demanding I get one, I told him that I don't need one and he got all overly aggressive and said he would report me for being "a thief" and I told him good luck with that I don't own a Televison, PC, TV aerial or sky dish. He left looking a bit sheepish.

and then everyone stood up and clapped

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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veritable boy scouts they are. prepared for any eventuality

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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analphabetic posted:

Just had a look on Facebook, and.... it seems to be full of people posting stuff about the mayor of London being a terrorist supporter.

you have quality friends

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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TheRat posted:

Don't we all? Before I pretty much stopped using Facebook I decided to start deleting 'friends' who were openly racist. I removed like 100 people I knew fairly well in the space of a few months.

nope

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Random Integer posted:

The SNP only get 4% of the total vote but they only stand in 9% of the total constituencies. Seems a pretty representative outcome to me. Its interesting how this only suddenly becomes an issue for many people when the SNP is involved.

are you on crack?

if you pull out subsets of constituencies with that logic you could easily pick and choose the best for each party and come out with more than 100% of MPs total

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Miftan posted:

Like most traditions it has outlived its usefulness and should be destroyed since it's stupid and is actively making things more difficult for a lot of people. Either that or make it a national holiday where nobody works.

a national holiday where nobody works would massively reduce turnout on account of there being no public transport, no shops open, etc

this is a nonsense suggestion that's only ever brought up by people with cushy 9-5 office jobs who want a day's skive. there's no evidence whatsoever that DNV is driven by a lack of access to the polls in the 21st century UK.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Jose posted:

if abbot is in such ill health she's been pulled now then standing for election is a bit of an issue
can't not stand now. even if she dropped dead this morning she'd still be on the ballot paper.

there's no time for the local party to select another candidate. the only fair when to handle the situation is to run the election as scheduled. then possibly have a by-election.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Digiwizzard posted:

Or you know, you could just pay workers more on those days and have them vote early or by postal ballot.
i'm never one to turn down OT pay myself, but I don't follow how does it drive turnout in this situation?
postal ballots are already available to all who want them.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Miftan posted:

That's fair enough. I'm used to something else obviously but I guess it's probably a cultural thing at this point so I'll drop it.
Do you think there are other ways to increase voter turnout other than making sure politics is about people's lives instead of a game that toffs play?

that and electoral reform so people don't see their vote as being wasted.
turnout is driven down by apathy, not significantly by lack of access.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Coohoolin posted:

Also, there is zero loving chance that SNP MPs would vote for anything other than a Corbyn government (leaving themselves open to be accused of getting a Tory government would ruin them), and many SNP MPs are further to the left than Corbyn (Black, Shepherd). There are something like 12 seats where Tories might beat the SNP in Scotland, and people leaving the SNP to vote Labour will risk splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. The one current Labour MP, Ian Murray, is virulently anti-Corbyn, and would probably be part of any future Blairite coup attempt.

Voting Labour in Scotland is... Not a good idea, at least if you want a Corbyn government.

the rank hypocrisy, you were happy to advocate before the opposite direction of travel.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Digiwizzard posted:

The benefit is that the vast majority of people now automatically have time off to vote instead of having to arrange it with their boss.

what's that got to do with OT pay?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Digiwizzard posted:

That's what happens when you work on a public holiday mate.

yeah I wasn't going to vote in 2001 then I got time and a half from my old barwork so I did

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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awesome-express posted:

I became eligible to vote 1 day after the electoral registration closed 💩

eligibility is based on the date of the election, not the date you register.

you numpty

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Tesseraction posted:

Well also could be them trying to disenfranchise young voters and foreign voters. It could well be a discrimination lawsuit.

tbh the kid probably just read the page wrong

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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ukle posted:

There has been a cockup in Newcastle under lyme with at least one polling station not having the correct list of voters. Odds are it will force the vote there to be null and voided, I think the same happened in 2015 as well somewhere.

Barnet, and the result wasn't voided because so few people were affected & they mostly could come back later in the day anyway.

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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serious gaylord posted:

Aberdeen West gone tory. Well done coohoolin

Say it ain't so

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