Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I'm wondering exactly how viable Primaris marines will really be given how expensive and yet seemingly easy to kill they are. What are they designed to counter? Intercessors are 20 points each, Inceptors are 75, and Hellblasters are 38 each. That's a lot of points.

They gently caress up medium infantry like other marines because they can out-range them and everything they shoot has a degree of armour penetration.

Plus a 2W marine for 20 points each is pretty drat good value.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 16:18

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 05:40

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

chutche2 posted:

Sure, until someone overcharges their plasmas and starts doing 2 damage a hit.

Turns out a specific hard counter is a hard counter. Who woulda thunk it.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 16:24

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

chutche2 posted:

That's why captains exist. I load up tac squads with combi plasma/plasma/plasma cannon and have a captain within 6 inches of two squads to reroll 1s.

But can it stop a horde of gants?

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 16:34

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

chutche2 posted:

The point is, saying intercessors have 2 wounds isn't as meaningful as it sounds. It's not a straight doubling of durability over tac marines because most things stronger than bolter fire are going to do more than 1 damage. Intercessors are as good at taking bolter fire as 10 tactical marines, and much less durable against things bigger than bolters. Intercessors are the one place something like a battle cannon will actually excel at as an example.

This really isn't news to anyone, though. Turns out that, yeah, 2W T4 3+ is vulnerable to multi-damage weaponry. So is literally everything else with more than one wound. I don't know where you're going with this line of thought beyond "The main downside to elite armies is the main downside to elite armies".

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 16:44

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Floppychop posted:

This is reminding me of when I used to play MTG and people would claim things were bad because they "died to removal".

Turns out that yes, things can die. The most important part of the thing is how well it performs a function before it dies.

Especially, as Pendent said, we're talking about overcharged plasma, which is as close to pure removal as it gets in 40k. There is nothing that isn't T3 W1 chaff that isn't scared of enough overcharged plasma.

chutche2 posted:

Yes, that's the other concern.

They are half as durable as tac marines against things like plasma, battle cannons, autocannon teams, poo poo like that, and also have half the volume of fire for a pretty minor AP benefit.

Also, adding more people to my ignore list.

Chutche finally just blocks everyone else in the 40k thread. Just as he sits down to start posting, his glasses fall off and break. There was supposed to be time now.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 17:04

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

General Olloth posted:

The lychguard models are rad.

Ignore the dirty cheap plastic outdoor table, there was blinding sun (any sun) in Seattle yesterday and I braved the heat for a minute to take a nice natural light photo.

All the Necron infantry models are excellent. I really love the plastic overlord doing his dramatic pose with the scythe and orb.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 17:29

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Floppychop posted:

I've always wanted to get a Salamanders army, but they have a distinct, unique look fluffwise that isn't represented on the tabletop.

I want scale capes and flames, dammit.

A few unique kits like Blood Angels or Space Wolves get would be awesome, but I'd settle for an upgrade sprue that isn't Forgeworld.

I'm always surprised GW haven't gone harder into the space marine upgrade sprues. Like, the BA, SW and BT sprues seem pretty drat popular, and upselling addons to the best selling model range they have seem like a sound investment.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 18:37

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

General Olloth posted:

What's the difference between this and making them yourself? Is personally sculpted and casted stuff allowed?

I imagine the problem would be money changing hands over stuff using their IP. So sculpting your own is fine, selling them to someone else is verboten.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 18:58

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

It also helps that the Primaris half of Dark Imperium is basically a 1k army straight out of the box. I can see a lot of people having a small army of Primaris just for loving around with.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 19:45

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Is it just my bias for them or do centurions actually look better alongside Primaris models than they did alongside regular marines? With the modularity of MK X they could simply be a heavy weapons variant.

They do look good. The added chunkiness of Primaris makes cents look like they fit in much better. I wonder how Cents with MK.X helmets would look.

# ¿ Jun 27, 2017 16:17

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Safety Factor posted:

How do you kill a demon?

Isn't it saying their true name? That's why GKs have the Big Book Of Daemon Names.

# ¿ Jun 27, 2017 22:59

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

MonsterEnvy posted:

The armor is stated to be very customizable.

With the Intercessors, Reivers and Inceptors, we've already seen that Mk.X armour's whole deal is being modular.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2017 01:06

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I suspect eBay will continue to be a great place for cheap Primaris and Deathguard, especially if the cheaper starter sets have other stuff.

They'll become even cheaper. Which, considering a full 1k primaris army can be had for �40/$50 on ebay already, is going to mean basically everyone will have a primaris or death guard army stashed somewhere.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2017 23:07

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

The Bee posted:

That reminds me. Is it possible to remove the helmets from the unhelmeted Primaris' hips and put them back on their heads?

Nope. They're molded directly onto the body. So unless you clip them off then resculpt the back of the helmet, you'll lose a bit of it.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 00:37

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

dexefiend posted:

I also want someone to paint an entire army of beautiful Ultramarines... and then paint poop smears on their faces and have them be Counts-as Plague Marines.

My favorite part of the new stuff is the spergs complaining that "THERE IS NO WAY SPACE MARINES CAN BE IMPROVED BY SOME MORTAL GUY." Can't they recognize how stale everything had become? I want Space Marines to be scary motherfuckers.

In the old dogma there was no room for anything new. The Reboot Gulliman move lets them do all kinds of neat poo poo.

Where my heavy weapon Primaris guys at? I refuse to have any scrunts in my army.

Plus, of all the people to call mortal, Cawl is probably the least mortal guy in the Imperium right now. He's basically a machine with a human brain, and has been alive for MILLENNIA.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 01:25

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

I can understand the idea behind it, since characters don't attach to units anymore, they're far more vulnerable to getting picked off in a lucky round of shooting. But other units already in combat shouldn't count as being closer.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 17:49

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

goose willis posted:

What would be a good model from the entire 40k range that can be painted up very ornately and given things like gold foil decorating it? Something decorated like a religious icon, basically. I'm thinking a highly-revered dreadnought or something like that.

Answered your own question, a venerable dreadnought. Or a Land Raider.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2017 15:50

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

The Sex Cannon posted:

Stealth cross-post:

This hobby is pretty fun right now.

That black armour is amazing, well done!

# ¿ Jul 2, 2017 18:24

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Cutedge posted:

Is anyone else running the Primarus Lieutenants? I have been using one and a Captain in Gravis Armor and I feel like they are pretty good, but I am a bad judge of things so I don't know

I've been getting a good amount of use out of power sword lieutenants. They're enough in combat to discourge charges, and their buff bubble is obviously great.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 23:49

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

So I've managed to make Possessed not terrible. I mean, it requires 2 HQs worth of support, but I've found a build that actually makes them usable!

Jump pack sorceror, dark apostle, 10 possessed. Sorceror makes them faster and hit harder, and the dark apostle makes them more accurate. Lots of high quality AP-2 melee attacks.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 16:21

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

I made a jump pack sorceror for my Word Bearers. Complete with flaming tentacle arm.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 22:04

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Just need to base my first 5 possessed. Pretty fun models to build!

# ¿ Jul 10, 2017 22:13

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Master Twig posted:

Thousand Suns

Word Bearers:

# ¿ Jul 12, 2017 12:36

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Potential BFF posted:

Speaking of old minis, does anyone know when this dude popped up? He's definitely old but not second edition old. He's one of my favorites outside the old school second edition Plague Marines.

Especially great now that his WYSIWYG loadout is really good now.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2017 12:36

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

JoshTheStampede posted:

I mean, what small marine kits are even missing at this point? We have full recent kits for every power armor mark, every specialist marine type, every unique chapter including Grey Knights and Deathwatch. Even if primaris marines weren't a thing they'd struggle to come up with new marine kits to sell.

Seriously, every niche smallmars have is already filled. They are, as an army, complete. There are no more concepts for them to explore.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2017 22:11

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Naramyth posted:

I don't think that works the way people think it works because none of the CSM characters have the demonic ritual special rule.

Or it does work that way and I'm going to summon stuff in my imperium army with Cypher.

The latter. It's literally any character with the Chaos keyword.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2017 15:04

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

The new Death Guard stuff is so much fun to paint. Just working on plague marines from Dark Imperium right now, and all of them have such good detail.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2017 19:55

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Senjuro posted:

Rest are either dead or MIA.

The Lion.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2017 00:25

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Artum posted:

This better be what it looks like.

That sure does look like a lasgun. Hope this means new Guard.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2017 16:10

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

So I wanna make my primaris Alpha Legion successors. Which chapter tactic do you guys think would be most appropriate for them? I'm thinking either Raven Guard or (ironically) Ultramarines.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2017 16:51

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

I'm still debating whether to run Primaris successor Alpha Legion or just Alpha Legion using C:CSM.

That legion bonus is pretty boring, but effective. But I could just play reiver heavy and get the same thing.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2017 20:17

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Zuul the Cat posted:

You could run them as both! Put really subtle Chaos iconography on them, and just say they're infiltrating.

Hell, even Chaos AL don't wear Chaos iconography. Only real problem is there's a bunch of models that don't really cross over. Like primaris don't mix heavy weapons into squads.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2017 20:25

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Well, if that's the case, I'm absolutely using C:SM for Alpha Legion. Because why wouldn't I, when the C:CSM version is just "Raven Guard but without the great RG stratagem".

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 14:49

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

TheChirurgeon posted:

Because that's a bitch move for chumps

Also Alpha Legion will have their own strategem

It's going to have to be a hell of a strategem to be better than "Give any infantry unit infiltrate for 1CP".

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 15:03

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Are we allowed to post leaks in here? Because someone has leaked all the CSM strategems and psychic powers in a tiny unreadable picture and in French.

How's your tiny French?

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 15:49

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

You need to be French and be really good at deciphering jpeg artifacting.

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 15:53

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

ElNarez posted:

Agents Avanc�s (Advanced Agents) (Alpha Legion Stratagem)

There is no way this isn't just the Raven Guard infiltrate stratagem renamed. :allears:

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 16:15

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

GreenMarine posted:

Reivers: Carbines or Knives?

I think I'll put the flamestorm on my aggressors...

I'm going with the rule of thumb of "Carbines for 5-man, Knives for 10-man".

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 22:25

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Safety Factor posted:

Can't you, like, at least wait for the highlight article about Alpha Legion before melting down? Jesus Christ.

They'll probably get an infiltrate stratagem anyways.

They'll get the Raven Guard "1CP per each infantry unit to infiltrate" stratagem. Which is decent.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2017 00:13

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 05:40

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Played my Alpha Legion-inspired Primaris for the first time against Dark Angels.

My list was: 2 auto rifle lieutenants, 3 5-man boltrifle intercessor squads, 2 5-man grav chute bolter reiver squads and 2 plasma incinerator hellblaster squads.

Infiltrating boltrifle intercessors are REALLY loving good. One of them took out an entire tactical squad in the first turn because I infiltrated them pretty aggressively into rapid fire range.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2017 19:17

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