Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Cooked Auto posted:

My Sister Tariana Palos order finally arrived. Way over the 120 days they promised back in like march.
At least she finally arrived so that's nice. Just need to decide what Order she belongs to.

Yeah my Librarian in terminator armour that was made to order has been sent to the store I asked them to send it to. He's going to be a Grey Knight for sure though.

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 08:23

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

When doing eyes don't do a dot. I know our irises are circles but instead draw a line connecting the top to the bottom, it stops the wide eyed look.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2020 03:51

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Tiocfaidh Yar Ma posted:

It was actually since I knew this guy was going to be a corpse I picked out the most bugged out eye sculpt I could find. It's a shame you can't see it really in its final position as a piece of ~environmental storytelling~

That scenery piece is great

# ¿ Sep 5, 2020 14:10

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

I'm the guy on the right who needs to have two soldiers shouting at him, one in each ear, as I'm dragged to execution/slavery.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2020 02:50

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

BaronVanAwesome posted:

My phone won't stop autocorrecting Flesh Tearers to Flesh Teasers

I am Chapter Master Simponius Dominatus of the Flesh Teasers. Show me to your front lines.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2020 23:13

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Fingat posted:

So here is my first Space Marine and first model I've painted in 5 years.

Welcome to the hobby! That dude looks pretty cool, I like the colour scheme a lot. Sounds like you've got yourself a good start for a space marine army. Though may want to hold off on buying too much in way of models before the new codex is released in October unless you have unlimited money and don't mind risking buying stuff that later you don't need.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2020 03:46

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

If you look at that website the action figures they make are like, �165. It's pricey poo poo. Looks awesome though.

In other news there's an online preview of the Necron and Space Marine codices on Saturday, so you gotta wonder how long until someone post the entire thing online anyway.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2020 16:22

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Cinara posted:

I have this problem for sure, even though I likely will never play a single game of 40k(or at least not any time soon) the idea of an actually fully painted army is enticing. But between the speed I paint and how often I actually sit down and do it, I get maybe one model finished a week, usually less.

My other issue is finishing that last 5% on models, the tiny details that are "fine" to leave partially completed, like doing the text/symbols on purity seals. I end up moving on to another project and tell myself I'll get around to it eventually.

I think the key thing that has helped me here is taking the idea of "battle ready" and "parade ready" to heart, and I guess its sort of normal for me as I went to a bunch of tournaments with a minimum painting standard.

Getting an army fully "battle ready" doesn't take a huge amount of time. Next month I'll be getting a CSM Start Collecting box, and I can probably get them all stuck together, based, and to a "battle ready" standard of base colours and maybe a wash on like one weekend of solid painting, maybe two weekends of less intense painting with a couple of hours during the week.

Obviously this doesn't look amazing, but it's miles better than playing with or against grey plastic.

Getting each model to that "parade ready" standard though is a real long term goal, and it's made super hard by the fact painting bog standard troops with all those little details, that 5% as you say, is boring as poo poo.

I've painted two infantry squads and 8/10 Kasrkin models to that standard and I'm already bored of highlighting guardsmen armour, and highlighting fatigues in greys. I'm bored of painting the same lasguns black and highlighting them. I'm bored of painting the cadian gate logo and numbers on their shoulders by hand, because it looks great but takes ages.

That all being said, I really want to get three 1,000 point crusade armies to that parade ready standard. That's my long term hobby goal. 1,000 points of Guard, 1,000 points of Grey Knights, and 1,000 points of Word Bearers.

My short term goal in October will simply be to get the word bearers to battle ready. The GK and IG are already battle ready. This idea is after that point every unit I add is a short term goal of getting it battle ready before it hits the table, and a long term goal of parade ready.

I think if anyone who likes to play a lot sets themselves a goal of "my entire army needs to be painted as close to 'eavy metal standard as possible" without having achieved "its got the basic colours on and looks OK on a table" I think it can be really demotivating, particularly if your opponent has a fully painted army.

At least when they all have the base colours on and some basing when you're stood at the table looking down it will all look good enough, and slowly you can replace the "good enough" units with "good" units.

Kitchner fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Sep 9, 2020

# ¿ Sep 9, 2020 04:33

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

My daily struggle is the combination of not having enough space for warhammer and not wanting to live outside of London and not being rich. At the moment the warhammer is losing, along with not being rich.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2020 18:45

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Mirthless posted:

You might consider a medium sized city at some point; maybe make a day trip somewhere and see what the life is like

I think a lot of people underestimate amenities because they're used to a wealth of options but in reality most people just go to a small handful of trusted destinations and there's usually at least one good place for whatever you're looking for wherever you go

I don't know life in the UK but I know living in and around college towns in flyover states in the US is a great way to save a lot of money and still have a social life

I like other big cities in the UK but sadly my job means I'm basically restricted to London with good opportunities, maybe Manchester or Birmingham wiith OK ones and shite ones everywhere else. y job tends to be based in a head office of a big company, which means they are concentrated within London for the most part.

I said come in! posted:

Has anyone tried a fold up table that meets the size requirements for a 1000 - 2000 point game? I am struggling to have the space to do anything larger than Kill Team until table top gaming stores open back up again, and thought maybe a foldable table might work so I can put it away in the garage when not in use.

The new 1,000 point board size is 44"x30" which is two kill team boards pushed together, I bought a specialist mat (which cost more than the MDF terrain i bought!) and it fits onto my dining table quite easily.

2,000 points is a bit harder as you need a 44x60" board area which is a really awkward size

# ¿ Sep 10, 2020 03:24

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Maneck posted:

There's people saying wait for bug fixes. But apparently a lot of the bugs seem to be the same ones that never got fixed in Mordheim.

I loved tabletop Mordheim, and tried very hard to like the PC version, but I just couldn't.

I've played a little bit of Necromunda and graphically it's great, I think the movement in the game is really clever and needs some tweaking.

The biggest bug that has rally bothered me so far is a friend and I did a 2 vs 2 fight against the AI and the game didn't end, which forced one of us to forfeit, which I volunteered to do as my gang only did one mission prior to that. They all got crazy injuries so I had to delete my gang and remake it. Stuff like crashes to desktop and graphical glitches are annoying but doesn't effect what you've done too much as it saves mid mission against the AI.

The other big problem is just the fact the AI is a bit poo poo. I've seen them do all sorts of nonsensical stuff. I've see dudes throw grenades at themselves, do some laps before ending up where they started and then shooting someone, and I saw a gang leader and a mate hide under a bridge doing drugs while my two remaining gang members killed two people from his gang, then killed both of them.

I want the fame to be good and I hope they are going to fix these things.

Snail Information posted:

Kitchner have you considered leaving the UK

What? And be a foreigner in some distant land?

In all seriousness, I've travelled a lot with work (and a bit on my own money) and I've never been anywhere else I'd want to live.

If I was physically forced from London I'd probably move back home to Cardiff, and if I was physically removed from the UK I'd move to Australia simply as I have family there. If that wasn't an option I genuinely think I'd struggle to choose somewhere to live.

Australia would be really bad for my plastic toy hobby though as it's so expensive there.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2020 13:03

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Mr Teatime posted:

Has anyone ever experienced a Forgeworld kit that takes a ridiculous amount of time to wash? I’ve had this kit soaking for about 5 days now and every morning I exchange the water and it is cloudy as heck and has those floating wisps of mould release agent. I’ve never dealt with a kit that wasn’t happy with a scrub and a soak for a day before. It doesn’t even look like it’s covered in release agent.

I mean with resin I usually just wash it with a toothbrush and washing up liquid and call it a day.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2020 19:37

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Yeah with the objective thing even if you take all "kill stuff" objectives, if you're not contesting the primaries it can be really hard to score high. Your opponent on the flip side can take not a single "kill stuff" Objective and score more than you even though their entire army dies. I much prefer it this way, I have a friend who complains tabling your opponent should mean victory but it doesn't add to good gameplay and it doesn't make it more narrative (as your "win" could be everyone sacrificed themselves but it slowed down the enemy advance sufficiently, rescued the mcguffin etc).

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 16:27

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Usenet Magic-User posted:

Was coming to ask how knights are in 9th? Also how 9th has been going for people in general. Have not played a 40k game in a while.

Mono Knights is pretty bad. They can't really take objectives and hold them very well, and they give away a lot of secondary objectives. A Knight souped into another list can do fairly well though, it has become more expensive in terms of CP cost to do that though.

Honestly my opinion of 9th so far is that the core rule set is great. If we imagined that all the codices were perfectly balanced and fun, the 9th Ed rules are the best I've played (I started in 3rd or 4th ed, skipped 5 and 6, started again in 8th).

The main gripes I've got with 40K right now is the balance between the codices. Space marines are very, very good and don't really show any signs of slowing down. If you're not playing a space marine army of some kind, you're very limited to the lists you can run to be competitive in a tournament setting. Where other armies do well, it's usually exploiting a couple of key units or interactions which means there's not a lot of variation.

That said, Death Guard is giving Space Marines a big run for their money because of how tough their troops are.

If you're more of a narrative player, then the crusade rules are really cool, but my friends and I basically had to house rule a bunch of stuff to make it work well.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 16:39

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Usenet Magic-User posted:

Sisters it is. Will paint up a test model this weekend but I like the bloody rose color scheme. I also like the box art variant Martyred Lady, I think? Any sample lists that do generally good things or key units that are must includes?

Repentia are pretty ace because you can outflank them now in 9th, meaning a combination of their damage output, coming on from a side table edge, and being able to guarantee a long charge with miracle dice means that you essentially create a death zone down each edge of the board where if your opponent stays in it they die.

I think the top three armies right now are probably Death Guard, Salamanders, and Harlequins, but hardly anyone plays the latter and they are hard to play so I think it's a bit of a sleeper right now.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 17:08

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Circutron posted:

So did infantry-heavy Imperial Guard eat poo poo in 9th? I've not seen them mentioned a lot compared to all the fun stuff you can do with vehicles now...

So far it seems if you want to stand a chance with guard all or most your infantry needs to be in Chimeras to essentially give them ablative wounds. They just don't hold objectives well enough.

Edit: Exception is Bullgryn, who are great.

Kitchner fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 11, 2020

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 17:47

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Spanish Manlove posted:

I'm watching the TableTopTitans video of DE vs IronHands and have a tiny rules question about how obsec works:

If I have 5 tac marines and 5 devastator marines all on a point and then 5 fire warriors and 5 drones also on the point, who holds the point? Does the infantry tag factor into the equation? I hear that total number of obsec units doesn't matter, it's total models once both sides have obsec on the point.

They played it correctly.

This is the Defenders of Humanity rule from Codex: Astra Militarum

quote:

If your army is Battle-forged, all Troops
units in ASTRA MILITARUM Detachments
and all LEMAN RUSS units in Spearhead
Detachments gain this ability. Such a unit
that is within range of an objective marker
(as specified in the mission) controls the
objective marker even if there are more enemy models within range of it. If an enemy unit within range of the same objective marker has a similar ability, then the objective marker is controlled by the player who has the most models within range of it as normal.

So the scenarios are basically:

If you and your opponents have non-obsec models on an objective, the one with the most models wins
If you have at least 1 obsec model in an objective and your opponent does not, you get it regardless of your opponents models (and vice versa).
If all the models on the objective are obsec, the most models wins.
(Here's the weird one) If both you and your opponent have at least 1 obsec model, plus non-obsec models, the objective is controlled by the highest total number of models, not just obsec models.

So in an example, if ten Guardsmen and 6 Bullgryn are on top of an objective, if you move 15 intercessors to contest that objective the Guard still control it, because both sides have obsec, so as per the rule it goes on model count (16 IG models vs 15 SM models).

Kitchner fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Sep 11, 2020

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 18:48

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Spanish Manlove posted:

Awesome thanks! Sounds like i need to paint up more devilfish for pooping out 14 models with an obsec core.

From watching the TTTitans bat reps it seems for Tau the Piranhas are actually surprisingly good, because they are fast, they pack a little bit of a punch, they are cheap, and when you kill them there are still models there, so you have to commit even more shooting to actually remove the drones too.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 18:58

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

MRLOLAST posted:

If only you could fill them with cool Kroot warriors

Kroot are that bad I'd still take the drones personally.

It's a shame really as the idea of Tau auxillary forces is so cool, it's just never going to see the light of day as anything other than "Oh yeah, they exist". The T'au should really have rules for Kroot and Vespid stuff with loads of options, and then rules that allow them to have humans with Tau equipment too, but GW isn't that interested.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 19:03

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Nitrousoxide posted:

So a bit of a lore question here.

Did Chaos Marines ever have a "are we the baddies" moment?

I mean obviously the Empire is not a great entity. But I'm wondering when the Marines started flaying people alive and wearing their skin did they start thinking that maybe they were the bad guys in this civil war?

Chaos marines can range from "We were fighting in the Horus Heresy" to "We went rogue last week" so the range is huge. I started collecting Word Bearers because they sort of deliberately started worshipping Chaos after Lorgar changed his mind that the Emperor wasn't a God but the Chaos Gods were Gods. I guess it's sort of like they are "evil" according to the principles and lessons of the Imperium, but in reality they are just the fundamental forces of existence (according to Lorgar) and worshipping them or not doesn't change the fact of their existence. Others were sort of tricked into worshipping Chaos.

Communist Walrus posted:

Piggybacking on that lore question, what's life like for folks stuck on a planet inside the warp/Eye of Terror? Is it like the Event Horizon hell dimension 24/7?

It's basically a hell dimension yeah, theoretically you could have daemons rule over a planet and be "nice" to people but it would probably only be to further some scheme of theirs. I don't think I've read anything about normal humans successfully living in the Eye of Terror. Even "visits" for scouting purposes are incredibly dangerous and loads of people die.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 21:31

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

I do like the War of the Worlds vibe they have going on.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2020 21:46

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

I think after people play more 9e games we will see more combos of Battalion + Patrol over just a single Battalion. I find for a lot of armies the HQ slots run out way too quickly, and paying 2CP to soup in more stuff or get more slots is probably an OK trade.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 01:51

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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I think it could do with some trimming down in general. Like not every space marine faction needs it's own intro (arguably it could follow codex space marines plus a separate one for grey Knights). I don't think we need quotes for everything a picture and a description. I'd probably say we need a "what's the difference to the last edition" bit and we need to mention crusade.

I also think it would be good to get some model photos from people active in the thread to update the images a bit.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 03:09

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:

GW made a pretty funny intro to their vid regarding more primaris space marines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRDeRDn5DjM

This was where the minutes from a GW Board of Directors meeting accidentally made it into the script.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 17:13

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Honestly having seen the Space Marine units announced today I'm a bit sceptical that you can creep much higher without the entire game failing to work

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 18:39

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

I said come in! posted:

For those using Tesseract Glow for your Necrons, what citadel paint are you putting it over to make it come out looking bright? Do you need to use a few layers of the Glow?

For the brightest glow effect I'd use white Scar and one layer of tesseract glow. I think that's basically what they recommend anyway.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 20:09

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

JBP posted:

I can't believe how many marine models there are now lol. Can't wait to see the next Necron style xenos update, but they keep adding marine junk I want.

I suspect all the other releases wont get as many models as the Necrons.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 23:38

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

I would actually be tempted to see if you can get water onto their bases somehow. Like maybe a beach theme.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 11:19

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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Yeah, people who are active can always say we are fine to use their old photo for the banners. On the other hand the people who originally said the images could be used in the banners in the OP have given permission to use the images in the banner image, which in turn you've been given permission to use.

So as long as they are still credited I don't really see why we would need to remove pictures if there's an army we are missing. I dont think that will be the case though as we can probably rustle up a photo of each faction between us and people we know.

As for the army quotes I just think a punchier description of stuff and a link to where they can read more about the lore and rules is my preference, but I honestly think whoever is putting the effort in to making the OP should just do these things, because there's no pleasing everyone.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 21:13

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
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AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Booley posted:

Because since then the forums have turned out to owned by someone who beats his wife, and people are no longer happy to be related to SA. Also, there generally is no transient property of usage rights. People said their images could be used by SRM to create banners for an 8th edition OP, not that they could be used in banners in any 40k thread on SA until the end of time.

People said someone could use their images to create a new image, a banner containing parts of several images. The owner of that new piece of work has then given permission to Jack to re-use those banners. If the old photographs were just used then you'd have a point, but they are not, they are part of a new creation, created using elements which the creator was given permission to use.

Ultimately I'm not making the OP so it's not up to me, but there's no problem with using the old banners in a new OP. Maybe a court could rule this wasn't transformative enough to give it an exemption under copyright law, but there's no way of you or I knowing that for sure (I obviously think it is transformative) and I doubt anyone is going to sue.

Kitchner fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Sep 13, 2020

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 21:38

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

The fact you're both getting so het up about other people's photos, people I'd bet you've not even spoken to as a weird hypothetical situation where there are people who desperately don't want us to use a picture of their model in a new OP but aren't going to post here to say so (or to ask for it to be removed from the current banner) is pretty funny.

I mean I know I said it so automatically you're going to say the opposite and then come up with some bullshit insults again, but really try a bit harder.

People gave permission for those photos to be used because they presumably liked other people here (as in users here in this thread, not the piece of poo poo who owns the site) to see photos of their work and be in the OP. The fact I think we don't need to remove them just because of some weird hypothetical you've come up with isn't inconsiderate, I want to continue showing off their work unless there's an active poster with a photo instead.

Kitchner fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 13, 2020

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 21:46

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

Strobe posted:

I think it's really telling that you just get performatively mad about an unprovable hypothetical person that agrees with you instead of actually defending that what you're doing isn't deliberately inconsiderate.

Almost as if that's correct.

EDIT: this thread sucks and you're most of the reason for that.

This post doesn't even make sense.

I also think this thread got a lot better since you, Corrode, and Booley weren't here insulting everyone who disagrees with your personal opinions. In fact this is probably the first argument and instance of someone insulting someone else that's happened in months. It's not a coincidence that it's because you and Booley are posting in the thread again.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 21:56

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

If you don't want to have your photos used in the new OP dude that's fine, you can ask for them not to be used. I don't agree with your assessment of permissions and I don't think we need to wring our hands about it and take down photos others were pleased to have shown to other goons because the guy owning the website is a price of poo poo and maybe hypothetically they don't want the photo to be used, but not enough to say so, and a image banner may not qualify as a transformative work under copyright law.

I'm not going to say any more on the matter though because it's not my OP and as I've already said I think Jack should do whatever he wants because he's not going to please everyone and he's the one putting the effort in.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 22:26

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 08:23

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

JackMann posted:

Look, guys. I already have at least a few people who don't want their stuff being used. I'm not gonna use their stuff, and instead we're gonna make new banners, both for consideration and to get new stuff in the banners. If people want us to continue using their stuff, they can post it again. I'm not going to change my mind on this, so can we just drop it and focus on getting the post in shape?

Speaking of, I'm gonna go ahead without the pictures for the moment. I just want some quotes for the Custodes and Sisters of Silence, and I'll go ahead and post with that. Then we can start the first few pages with people posting their cool stuff to get the banners made.

I honestly think you're just over thinking it a bit, I think what you've done so far is fine and you can always go back and edit it. I reckon just post it and you can ask people to post images for the banners and pick whatever based on whatever criteria you want as it's your post.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2020 22:28

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