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Shear Modulus posted:lol i originally thought crowley was just stupid and didnt think to take his name off the ballot but it looks like he actually planned to try and lieberman ratfuck the election and didnt think anyone would notice or care which is even dumber Same.
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Also now that Crowley has tucked his tail between his legs the centrists are gonna pretend like that was always the case and AOC was just making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:38
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:bad dems bad dems whatcha gonna do Win, with Bernie and the next generation of democratic socialists.
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Jul 13, 2018 01:56
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If Clinton won the seat why is he still there? hosed up if you ask me.
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Jul 13, 2018 01:58
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SKULL.GIF posted:mark pocan is a leading member of the progressive caucus. he's voting no on that bill because if he votes yes and the bill fails (it'll fail, it's a republican controlled congress) he can't bring the bill to the floor again, not because he secretly wants the bill to fail. this, btw, does not prevent other democrats from voting yes on that bill. Just to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying correctly. You're saying that if they vote "yes" to this bill that they wouldn't be able to bring it up again even in a new congressional session. Also, that a new house member that supports abolishing ICE, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, would apparently also be unable to do so thus they need to save it for this one time only special? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're full of poo poo. The Dems just decided that a "yes" vote would be used to campaign against them (or a "no" vote for people who haven't had their primary yet and have progressive challengers) and they are spineless so they backed down. Even though a "yes" vote would energize people to show up and vote for them. Thoguh has issued a correction as of 12:30 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Jul 13, 2018 12:23
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Status Report
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Jul 13, 2018 12:26
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That just addresses the 'make them actually vote for it' part.
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Jul 13, 2018 13:53
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Of course it is going to fail this session. There's nothing to be gained by voting no except avoiding going on record voting to abolish ICE. The only way it would pass this session is if a bunch of people who vote "no" on it right now change their mind and vote yes when they decided that maybe black site baby jails being guarded by people who hate both brown people and babies is a bad thing. So there would be "no" votes who could re-introduce it this session anyway.
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Jul 13, 2018 14:46
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Feldegast42 posted:I guess they want to hammer it for longer in the next few months leading up to the election but they blew all that momentum now Just because it failed a vote doesn't mean they can't campaign on it. Hell, campaign harder on how you need more votes to have it pass next term. The real problem is that most dems aren't on board and don't want to have to either vote for it or be on record as not voting for it because god forbid they take a stand on something.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:00
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docbeard posted:Oh no, they might think we mean what we actually mean? HEAVEN FORBID That's not what most people mean though. It's the boogyman that the GOP is throwing up and the handful of people in this thread who want to abolish borders are probably an appreciable percentage of the overall population that supports that idea.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:17
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Agean90 posted:Remember when Medicare for all went from impratical to broadly supported in less than a year? It's almost like... campaigning for things can make them popular But would that be pragmatic?
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Jul 13, 2018 16:18
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The Muppets On PCP posted:http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ I wonder what the numbers would be for pre-existing condition coverage, I suppose it wasn't around long enough for people to really take it for granted and for a lot of people to experience what a life changing difference it could be.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:24
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I'm pretty sure the dems are gonna double down about how everyone should just ignore the content of the emails even though there's no indication that anything was changed but instead blame Russia for letting the cat out of the bag.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:53
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1017829851837943808 I really don't think they are all that different Matty.
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Jul 13, 2018 19:11
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Agnosticnixie posted:I know people have already pointed out that Reagan had Ollie North willing to fall on his sword, but Trump still absolutely has people who are probably dumb enough to do it for him too. It's worked out pretty well for NRA president Ollie North.
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Jul 13, 2018 20:08
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ThndrShk2k posted:loving lol doubtful Yeah, this exact same thing has come up half a dozen times since 2016 and we have the same argument each time. Given what we know about that server, how it was run, and who was using it, there's no way they'd even be aware if they were hacked by anyone competent. And regardless that sidesteps why it was set up in the first place, which had nothing to do with security.
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Jul 14, 2018 11:55
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It's only worth bringing up again because lol at any narrative that anyone but Clinton is responsible for Donald Trump being president.
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Jul 14, 2018 12:04
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comedyblissoption posted:i cant believe the russiasn got hillary to order union organizers to stop campaigning in michigan Well, you see, the Russians hacked her algorithm. Which I"m sure was very well documented code that had no version control in place (okay, the second part might be true) so it was easy to tell what required changing. And they successfully made the minute changes required to have her go after a couple of million extra votes in New York and California instead of actually trying to win.
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Jul 14, 2018 12:20
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Main Paineframe posted:remember when Obama completely ignored the big pro-union protests in Wisconsin and the Walker recall attempt? After saying on the campaign trail that he'd walk picket lines.
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OmanyteJackson posted:The whole problem with buying into the trump-russia narrative is that it's too narrow of a lens. Leftist already know that foreign oligarchs have major influence on american policy. Pretty much. I don't think anybody rejects that rich oligarchs not based out of the USA did things in the last election. What a lot of us rejects is that we have President Trump because of those things. As well as a rejection that the issue is RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!! as opposed to "Insanely Rich People Wherever They Are". Mitch McConnell and the Federalist Society are doing a hell of a lot more long term damage than Trump (and Trump is only able to do what he does because McConnell refuses to do anything about him). That's All American. People like Price, Devos, and Pruitt aren't Russian actors. They're red blooded american shitheads.
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Jul 14, 2018 15:59
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Call Your Grandma posted:piss tape is real
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Jul 14, 2018 16:01
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uncurable mlady posted:fwiw it's not entirely unreasonable to think that there's something there to the 'russians got clinton models' line. if you recall the election, a lot of people were very surprised by trump going and having rallies in shithole parts of states that were considered clinton locks. Come on dude. Are you now asserting that Russia was telling him where to go because he held rallies in flyover country while Clinton held fundraisers in the Hamptons?
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Jul 14, 2018 16:36
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lol, remember when he held that rally at a recycling factory and the Democrats thought it was a huge self own that he was standing in front of cubes of compacted aluminum cans?
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Jul 14, 2018 16:41
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Nichael posted:coons are bad 
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Jul 14, 2018 16:48
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Beaten but don't care.
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Jul 14, 2018 16:48
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Captain_Maclaine posted:There are actually more than one dead simple ways* he can get off the ballot that the WFP regularly use when things like this happen and they want to clear the path, but for some odd reason he doesn't seem inclined to use any of those options? Which, even if he doesn't play spoiler to AOC, forces her to put resources in to NY-14 instead of spending all her time helping Soc Dems around the country.
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pospysyl posted:Somehow the NY Democratic party can purge voter rolls, close polling stations, and send people to the wrong stations during the 2016 primary, but they can't get get Crowley off the ballot. No, you see, that was normal and good. But when it happened elsewhere it was a Russian plot.
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