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I don't know much about Reaves, except that he is a great punchmans, but that trade wasn't for his scoring touch. Giving up a guy that may or may not end up being a regular contributing NHL player for one of the best guys with a different "skill" set that is currently a contributing player isn't all bad. The payment may have been a bit much, but really if the biggest knock on Rutherford is that after winning 2 cups in a row he gave up a marginal prospect and 20 spots in a draft class that the Pens did not seem so impressed with, in order to get the best fighter in the league, i think he is doing ok. The bigger question would be do thePens need an enforcer, after winning 2 cups in a row without having one? and it could be argued that teams are taking more and more liberties with players, so having a guy available to break his knuckles on helmets could allieviate that a bit. I dont particularly like that the pens purposely got slower, but I'm also not one of the guys getting punched in the jaw and hacked on for 20 minutes a game either. We will see if it works out; if Oscar and whoever was drafted end up being AHL regulars, and Reaves manages to stop some of the liberties teams are increasingly taking, it will have been a successful trade. but either way, at the end of the day as long as Reaves 8 minutes a game don't actually hurt the pens, I think this Is, at worst, an irrelevant trade despite looking like an over payment.
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Mind_Taker posted:Wait is this trade all because Niskanen concussed Crosby? How the hell would Reaves have prevented that? Also when will Reaves ever see the ice with Crosby? That trade was basically to get a goon on the Pens squad, that can play every game and doesn't have to be called up every time e he might be needed. They got exactly what they wanted, now it's just a matter of whether or not a prospect and 20 positions in the draft ffor a good 4th line goon was paying to much. Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 14:57
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Wonderllama posted:Yeah. That's what we're basing it on when we say the trade was bad. Personally I would rather they didn't make this trade, or at least not given up the 1st round pick and instead sent another prospect or maybe Oscar and a different pick. Everything I'm seeing on Kilm leads me to think he was worth the risk of drafting him, but if the Pens think they have the talent pool in their system already (and after the last two years who are we to dispute that?), then I can see why they would make this trade. Even if it was not wholly equal, It fills a perceived gap. I think the bigger argument is whether or not that is actually a gap, and whether or not we wanted a dedicated goon at all, but that's not relevant to the actual trade.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:33
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:This is a horrifically stupid way to gauge trades. Any time a GM makes a bad trade they get exactly what they wanted, because that's why they made the trade. Like, when Philly traded JVR for Luke Schenn, they got exactly what they wanted. When Montreal traded Subban for Weber, they got exactly what they wanted. They're still terrible trades. Basically, I don't think it was a very good trade for the Pens, but I am willing to give the back to back Stanley Cup champion GM the benefit of the doubt on this one and wait to see. It doesn't hurt that I think at worst this trade iwill be pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things; It's not like he traded Malkin for Goane or anything. He traded a couple prospects for a goon and another prospect, and SAS thinks he murdered Mario or something. Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 16:19
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Starsfan posted:the funny thing is I believe the stats show that having a goon on your team makes violence more likely to happen to players on your club, not less likely. This isn't going to be an issue next season because Ithe NHL are going to be taking player safety very seriously and will start calling more penalties, meting out more suspensions for obvious infractions, and not allowing players and teams to get away with cheap shots, thereby negating the need for goons. Hey, stop laughing!
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Jun 25, 2017 19:24
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Levitate posted:This never ever ever ever works TBH I agree that enforcers are pretty much there for show. I'm more worried about speed than if a 4th line winger that plays 8 minutes is going to have any impact because he hits hard or not, and from what I have read, Reaves is not exactly known for his skating prowess. I suppose it's possible that he could legitimately be a 4th liner, one that just happens to also fight. Considering his stats from last year, it certainly seems that may possibly. Be what he is shooting for.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:23
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Ginette Reno posted:Crosby's arms are tired from lifting the cup so much It's hard work lugging that thing around rite aid and diners all day.
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Jun 26, 2017 00:28
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yellowcar posted:Yes, maybe, no, no
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Jun 26, 2017 23:23
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a false posted:i'd personally want to lock him up for more than 8 years. i mean, you're screwed in the event of catastrophic injury, but that's true for anybody, right?
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Jun 27, 2017 23:10
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Jordan7hm posted:Crosby's deal was for 12 years, and it was expected that his cap hit as a percentage of the salary cap would go down significantly over time. crosby's hit after 8 years from the start of his contract is going to be like 10.5%. Does 3.5% additional cap hit even enter into a GM's thought process when talking about a generational talent? It's a lot of money but I really don't know how a GM would approach that. I'd probably just throw money at the guy, which might be why I ain't a GM though. McDavid will be what, 28? in 8 years, so he could reasonably expect a raise, assuming he actualy is a generational talent and doesnt start leaking brain fluid regularly. No one check my math. Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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I think Bonino's will end up making somewhere close to 4 million a year for 3 years. Unless he stays with the pens and give some a discount. Also, let's bring Jordan Staal back to Pittsburgh, just so I can scream "Staal face spotted" every time he scores in te playoffs. Rumors today were that the Pens were interested in Duchesn again. The talk was a Prospect (or maybe 2, or some draft pick/prospect combination) and Maatta for him.
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Jun 29, 2017 00:31
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Pornographic Memory posted:the penguins have so many good wingers that they were healthy scratching carl hagelin and conor sheary in the playoffs and seriously considering doing the same to guentzel, as much as i'd like to see sprong pan out and play well for the penguins he's exactly the kind of player they can afford to trade. poo poo if they wanted to trade sheary or guentzel for a forward like duchene or an Actually Good defenseman i'd say loving go for it
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Jun 29, 2017 02:29
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Jordan7hm posted:Duchene looked like a world beater when he was scoring 70 points ... four years ago. The three season since then have kind of taken the shine off for the Avs. 41 points this season. Trading him actually makes a lot of sense in that his rep is probably better than he is and the return could be very legit. He's got two seasons left on this deal and even if he turns it around, it probably won't happen in Colorado.
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Jun 29, 2017 02:34
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Jordan7hm posted:Jake is about 735k but Sheary is an RFA. It'll be really interesting to see his new contract. He's only 2 years from being a UFA.
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Jun 29, 2017 03:00
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CBJSprague24 posted:I don't think the horseshoe is big enough for the Pens to pull that off (e- in that form). Also, you probably shouldn't stand outside for too long, you are going to start attracting deer.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:31
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Kilza posted:https://twitter.com/68Jagr/status/880553421736161283 Just saying. A 1 day contract is probably enough time to bang like 5 instagram models and lose a 100 grand grand or so at blackjack. And if you want to get stoned when the day is over, well I'm sure you remember Artie, right?
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Jun 30, 2017 02:08
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Aphrodite posted:According to this medical report Patrick Marleau has approximately 1.5 years left to live. Starting in October. E; I'm seeing a great plot for Sudden death 2 forming up here. The Rock can be the ex something something hero, and Gary Oldman could be the team owner that hires Mads Mikkleson and his crew to take over the leafs arena during a game and kill their aging superstar in order to free up some cap space. Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Jul 2, 2017 23:48
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I keep looking for the pens to do something about the 3C vacancy and the defense, but I'm starting to think they are just waiting on a good trade deal for a center, and have decided to run with the Mostly Bad Defense & A Good Goalie strategy that worked so well these playoffs.
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Jul 4, 2017 17:00
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I don't know about basketball but I think the non elite players in the NHL are not exactly all interchangeable. There is definitely a skill gap between good desirable 3rd liners and plug in players on the 3rd line.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:34
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I am probably the only penguin fan that will say this, but I'd happily see Sid retire this year, while on top and mostly whole. then we could all call McDavid the best unequivocally. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see more cups in Pittsburgh, but I'd really not like to see them holding the bits of Crosby's brain that leaked out after hiis 19th concussion. Also, McDavid is making Like 1.83 billion pesos to hit a black piece of a rubber with a stick. Apparently 86% of it guaranteed. and in 8 years will quite likely be in position to get paid again if he wants. He may not have gotten everything he could have, but he didn't do that badly either.
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Jul 6, 2017 01:12
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In my short time participating in The hockey threads here, I have come to realize that SAS collectively hates everybody and everything except Don Cherry's coats,and now, apparently, naked beared men and various other nude athletes.
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Jul 7, 2017 00:45
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Zodijackylite posted:Well said.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:48
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I wonder how many went to casinos
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Jul 18, 2017 02:44
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I don't really care if they have ads on jerseys. And if it's 60 million league wide, that's 2 million per team, which is pretty good profit for doing basically nothing. Especially if your just a break even team, that puts you into a profit. I just hope that every team has a "Dynamic Fasteners" patch on the rear end of their pants.
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Jul 21, 2017 00:27
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Good god if that's what Brian Dumoulin gets, what are they going to pay Sheary? I think the pens have made it clear they want to trade for another center, but I have zero idea who they might be targeting. Sadly I'd not be shocked to see them start the season with out a clearly defined 3C, and just play whatever center golfs with ! Mario in the hopes someone steps up, that they acquire one later, or maybe even finding one hiding in Ryam Reaves stick bag when he shows up to camp.
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Speaking of Talbot, the Pens are looking for a 3rd line center... E: also, Talbot in the olympics would be spectacular
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I can see where star players risking injury in a tournament that does not affect the NHL standings would be a bad idea from an owners perspective. I think if I were an NHL owner I'd want to focus on winning NHL games, which would draw fans to my team specifically, and not olympic medals (or even the WCOH) which may or may not draw new fans to the NHL in general. Having said that I'm not an owner, and as a fan love seeing the best in the world in the olympics. It is pretty lovely we won't get that in 2018 or 2022. But the olympics were fun before they let NHL players in, I'm sure they will be fun again without them, just need to temper my expectations a bit. Also, I may be incorrect here, but in most of the not USA or Canada countries, isn't an Olympic medal more desirable than the Stanley cup? Like kids grow up thinking about scoring the game winner in overtime for a gold medal and not for clinching the cup?
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Flyinglemur posted:Matt Murray has adopted a new aspect to his game apparently
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Aug 10, 2017 03:06
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ThinkTank posted:Will Butcher and Alex Kerfoot are free to sign with any team today. They'll probably both end up with the Rangers. I dunno much about him but from what I've read it looks like Kerfoot might be a good fit in Pittsburgh. Anyone have an idea on how much of a contract this guy can reasonably expect? E: Also I wanna eat hot dogs out of the cup with Phil on the 13th green
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I didn't pay all that much attention to who was going to play for Vegas, aside form flower, but I just assumed that they would babe able to put together a somewhat competitive team of all second liners and James the penalty monger Neil. Also, I understand philly is retiring 88. It would be a nice gesture of the were to do so at the start of every year, cause each time is going to be the first for Eric.
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Aug 30, 2017 23:42
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Chad Sexington posted:Woof, yeah, they look like a weird Hurricanes offshoot or something. But look at all the available real estate on those jerseys
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stab posted:Remember the number 77 is retired by colorado How did I forget about this. The most ridiculous thing.
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